Never Say: " I am a Muslim!"
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Dear drfazl.
Again the same response (Your ideas without the backing of verses)and I think the reason is that you take your understanding of the words without using any source.
If you had read my post carefully, you would know that I just had given the readiness to discuss Quran. Until now I was discussing from quran without quoting assuming we both can understand what we speak is over all view of various verses. I do not think it is wrong unless we decide to speak on verses specifically, dealing with individual verses with reference to its application for the present and the future.
This is the way of two kind of people. Those who are given knowledge directly from God (but when they give the meanings they do not contradict with other verses) or those who really don't have any knowledge and also don't give a damn about the sources(they create contradictions in the way).
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- Please paste which part of my answer says so. God has created everything for us to use it for our benefit or loss and God don't do miracle for us anymore. That in no way means that He cannot do miracles anymore. Please tell me the verse which gives your idea. I may be unaware of that verse.
This is from what you have said; contradicting statements
I just tried to tell you simple fact that God does not help us with some kind of miracle but He helps us with his creations which are made to serve us and I have clearly mentioned that in my post. God has created everything for us to use it for our benefit or loss and God don't do miracle for us anymore. That in no way means that He cannot do miracles anymore.I will tell you the verse when we start discussing references on any point.
- What do you mean by miracle? If you mean to say his origination of things then it is already answered that without original creation we cannot produce but again do you see anything which is now produced for you out of miracle?
]Miracle means origination/creation beyond all materialistic human means of understanding. Originator/Creator cannot stop originating/creating. That is the miracle/Truth. And you have to believe and seek His Wisdom to have the vision to see the miracle being created. 168 And I just do not believe in simply pasting an ayat; I will deal with it later in depth.
What is your opinion about messengers? are they a necessity or God is enough? According to my understanding of the message of Quran everything is discovered by humans through knowledge and guidance which comes from God and He chooses from humans, whom he wills but he does not do the work by himself. This is the reason of creating humans. There is no contradiction in my understanding but what you are trying to say has lots of contradictions. If God alone is enough for everything then can you explain the verses 2245, 512, 5711 and many more.
And more verses like 6417 also we will discuss later each ayat one by one. I will base my views on ayat 42 51 and many more.
- What you are trying to say is already told in my answer but again you fail to see that. The line in blue My dear God does not produce the wheat on its own for humans unless we sow,water and take care of it but yes without seed and water it is not possible. The verse 1311 tells that so. Quran is all about changing ourselves or taking control of the bad given to us From him. He also tells us that we cannot change but can control.
I post here what you failed to see in my answer for the same question Applying the common sense, simple - I ask of you to say where from the seed, water and air came? Even before man came to this world all food were available as miracle creations; for your breathing where from the air originated even now? Do you think air once created is only recycled through the vegetation until the world ends and is not originated again without a source? Or do you still wish to maintain some source is very much necessary for the God to create or to originate? When God enters to help you it is indeed the beginning of the miracles. He does not need a source.
- Please tell me where did you Got that meanings? Good deeds as far as my Knowledge is concerned is written as
From 42 51; 2 186, 286 and many, many more.
- same answer as 6.
Same as above
- Your answer to the question Posted on December 11, 2008, 041218 AM Posted by Edip Yuksel was that
Please don't make your opinion on just one or few verses because God has told in verse 20114 that one must not haste in making decisions regarding Quran until one finishes it completely regarding any matter in question.
You are correct; it reminds me of the verse now which holds good in your case 2 44
Where did you get this idea from?
Do you mean to say that we should wait for miracles?
what is there to practice when there is one God?
How can I practice "AHAD" where the same "AHAD" tells me to "Follow Allah and follow the Messenger"?20 114 will answer you. Be a humble listener until such time quran is completed on you.
Regarding Islam what i understood is that one should not fight because salam is peace. Am I right in my understanding? If wrong please explain with the verses so that i can understand correctly.
Did I ever disagree on that? Or have discussed over it at length?
Regards.
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Dear drfazl,
Thanks for the reply with the reply that you will deal everything later.
What you have dealt in this post does not seem to have any Arabic word which can mean good deeds in the verses you mentioned.
It seems that you have some strange way of understanding Quran which is beyond my understanding. I will wait till you enlighten me with your way of understanding.
Regards.
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Peace to all,
The problem with words like "muslim" and "islam" is the misinterpreted influence of them throughout society. Abraham and the Patriarchs used the words as DESCRIPTIONS, not as titles. Frankly, there shouldn't be a title, and there shouldn't be people stating, "I'm a Muslim." The word "muslim" itself refers to one who has surrendered or submitted (i.e. "a submitter". One can submit to anything and anyone. It doesn't necessarily refer to worship of God at all... In today's world, muslimeen should be proud to call themselves "submitters"/ones who submit to Go ALONE. By using the title "Muslims", we only separate ourselves from the base on monotheism promoted by all the prophets, and we are therefore forming our own sect (distinct group) of monotheists instead of maintaining the one unity, as God instructed us to do. We should instead use the DESCRIPTION "muslim", not the title.
Who is better in saying than one who invites to Allah, and does good works, and says, "I am one of those who have peacefully surrendered." (4133)
May God guide us all to the truth...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Frankly, there shouldn't be a title, and there shouldn't be people stating, "I'm a Muslim."
There should be people stating that they're Muslims if they are Muslims. I don't see why not.
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Peace Bosnian Thinker,
There should be people stating that they're Muslims if they are Muslims. I don't see why not.
There is a difference between a "Muslim" (as in the title) and a "muslim" (as in the description). In reference to titles, Sunnis, Shias, Salaafis, Wahhaadis, and Sufis are all "Muslims", as well as mis-structured groups who use this name, such as the Moorish Science Temple, the Nation of Islam, Ahmadiyya, Jarudiyah, Hanafiyah, Saltiyah, Hujjatiyah, and all the others. ALL OF THESE GROUPS MAINTAIN THE TITLE OF "MUSLIM". However, none of them maintain the description of what a "muslim" is (i.e. one who has submitted), and none of them submit to God ALONE in real "islam"/submission. So, in itself, the titles of "Muslim" and "Islam" are only titles. The words as used in the Qur'an are descriptions. They are not the same thing...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace Bosnian Thinker,
There is a difference between a "Muslim" (as in the title) and a "muslim" (as in the description).
Can we bring the title and description together as 2 in 1? Then the whole understanding will change and elevate the present status to the higher plane? The title must be in the form of peace in the heart and we shall revere it in our heart and it is for us to live peacefully and be ever in gratitude with Him who blessed us with the peace. Being a muslim (a possessor of Salam, in any occasion, in any circumstance, in any stressful situation) is important to make them imbibe or to influence the society towards such a life. Muslim is not a title to show others but a status to turn others to the way of salam, Islam.
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Dear drfazl,
Thanks for the reply with the reply that you will deal everything later.What you have dealt in this post does not seem to have any Arabic word which can mean good deeds in the verses you mentioned.
Yes, Quran verses are to be pondered over for practical understanding in righteousness with reference to the situation to gain the benefit therefrom, from the ever-evolving inherent wisdom that every single verse of it contains. In this way Allah says if you were to explain Allah's words, the trees as pens and the seas as ink will not be sufficient. If you understand this you will not say as follows
http//It seems that you have some strange way of understanding Quran which is beyond my understanding. I will wait till you enlighten me with your way of understanding.
khyaletanzim,
Arabic word and dictionary application contribute only to the physically oriented meanings. What we understand or get from it is only from the dikr. Quran is a complete Dikr; and if it is understood as per dictionary meanings and further make the meaning rigid with its grammatical application and punctuation then there is no nothing left for pondering the ayats over; the very ordinance that we have to think and ponder over and above the dictionary-wise and grammatically applied meanings makes it mandatory upon us that we start living from the revelation that God sends down upon each of us. All messengers say that they only followed the revelations that dawn in their hearts from Allah; and we too are ordained to follow the sunnah of God 7 3 (similar lines, The way).To start with let us ponder the dictionary meaning Good deeds. Put in your revelations. This is not the strange way of understanding, but this is the way to quran.
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Dear khyaletanzim,
Any deed is a good deed provided it is not done in a haste; for allah is with those who do believe in Him and maintain patience in their activities. Allah further says "Patience is the firmest and most decisive of all activities, eternal."
13 24; 42 43
Please put in your revelations here with regard to 'Good Deeds' / God Deeds.
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Peace Bosnian Thinker,
There is a difference between a "Muslim" (as in the title) and a "muslim" (as in the description). In reference to titles, Sunnis, Shias, Salaafis, Wahhaadis, and Sufis are all "Muslims", as well as mis-structured groups who use this name, such as the Moorish Science Temple, the Nation of Islam, Ahmadiyya, Jarudiyah, Hanafiyah, Saltiyah, Hujjatiyah, and all the others. ALL OF THESE GROUPS MAINTAIN THE TITLE OF "MUSLIM". However, none of them maintain the description of what a "muslim" is (i.e. one who has submitted), and none of them submit to God ALONE in real "islam"/submission. So, in itself, the titles of "Muslim" and "Islam" are only titles. The words as used in the Qur'an are descriptions. They are not the same thing...
Peace,
Ahmad
Thank you Ahmad for explaining your view. I'll think about this.
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Dear drfazl,
Dear khyaletanzim,
Any deed is a good deed provided it is not done in a haste; for allah is with those who do believe in Him and maintain patience in their activities. Allah further says "Patience is the firmest and most decisive of all activities, eternal."
13 24; 42 43
Please put in your revelations here with regard to 'Good Deeds' / God Deeds.
I was not able to understand your question. Please state your question clearly.
If you are trying to say that patience is good deed then my dear your are confusing the quality with deed. Truth, patience,forgiveness and determination are the qualities and not good deeds according to my understanding.
Good deeds combine with the qualities surely can make one best in the sight of God.Hope that will clarify my understanding.
Regards.
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Dear drfazl,
I was not able to understand your question. Please state your question clearly.
If you are trying to say that patience is good deed then my dear your are confusing the quality with deed. Truth, patience,forgiveness and determination are the qualities and not good deeds according to my understanding.
Good deeds combine with the qualities surely can make one best in the sight of God.Hope that will clarify my understanding.
Regards.
Dear Khyaletanzim,
First of all, yes, you got it clarified.
Secondly, to clarify to you regarding what I said "Any deed is a good deed provided it is not done in a haste." This clarifies that hastiness destroys all the good qualities whereas Patience delivers better understanding of things that you want to do and all the good qualities will be inherently evident in all that you do; and thereafter the good qualities are added to your deeds for best recompense. If you still maintain that I have confused you, you can say so with privilege, citing it.
Patience is the root-cause for all the best qualities; and hastiness is the root-cause for all the evil nature.
Regards brother.
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5 82
Certainly you will find the strongest in enmity for the mumins are the Jews and those who are polytheists.
And you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to the mumins are those who say We are Christians.
This is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.From this do we understand that
By name we cannot be mumins; by saying shahada we are not mumins; by going to mosque we are not; by reciting quran in prayers we are not. In the same way by name one cannot be christian and so on. A true christian and a true mumin can alone be nearest in friendship. Come out of the clutches of the priests, poojaris, imams and mullahs and become humans by staying out of the mosques, churches and temples; then Allah will like you. Quran is a guide for the life out side of the mosque; so stay clear of these places of worship; and such are the people Allah says true mumins and true christians.When it comes to jews hardly they have such capacity to understand this concept nor there is willingness to follow this peace; and with regard to the polytheists they are hard liners already.
5 82
Verily you will find the Jews and the associaters the worst enemies to the truthful; yet, you will find those who say, ?We are true Christians!? ? the dearest to the truthful; for among them are the people wise and pure; yet they are not proud