Number of wives?
-
She does not have to if
- She is sterile or menopausal
-She is already pregnant
-he decides to have no more children - One of the husbands is sterlile
-Each husband is of different race
-She is smart enough to know to whom the child belongs - It does not matter who the child belongs to Each husband will have one assigned to him, or the richest will have them all ;D
you forgot if she has the means to pay for adn testing
- She is sterile or menopausal
-
liquid dharma
It's only the hadiths that tell us he had more than one wife at the same time. But even if it did, so what? He was a human being. He can make mistakes. The quran says he made mistakes.
See dharma gee, you are at very initial level of knowledge about Muhammad and quran, it seems, or may be you are pretending. There are verses those confirm that Muhammad had more than one wives at a time. Yes Muhammad can commit a mistake but on his every mistake Allah made a grip but not on practicing polygene.
I was not aware that a thread on almost same topic was being discussed here otherwise I would have not started a new one at general issues and questions. -
Of course! So, no more traditional excuses for why a woman cannot have more than a husband and peace of mind...well..sort of
Indeed she would get more then one piece- i think, when three of the husbands get hold of her at the same time...........Heaven Forbid!
just joking though ;D
-
Samia
Of course! So, no more traditional excuses for why a woman cannot have more than a husband and peace of mind...well..sort of
Samia you and your other friends got this one wrong too, as in many previous cases. You are so impressed by west that don't mind even making fun of signs of Allah.
Sign of Allah is very clear polygene is allowed for a purpose and not for entertainment and enjoyment or to satisfy the ego of men. That is discussed in the thread started by me "Marriage issue"?
May be when in some war where 90% of deaths are of women and male population excels from the female in huge quantity than we can do Ijtihaad and may be then you and your friends could be satisfied for having more than one husband at a time. -
Salaams,
I don?t think the following have anything to do with Guarding as used in the quran-unfortunately.
She does not have to if
- She is sterile or menopausal
-She is already pregnant
-he decides to have no more children - One of the husbands is sterlile
-Each husband is of different race
-She is smart enough to know to whom the child belongs - It does not matter who the child belongs to Each husband will have one assigned to him, or the richest will have them all
434
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).The Guarding (above) is from other humans outside of the marriage tie- as the following ayah?s indicate- I think.
7039
And those who guard their chastity,7040
Except with their partners whom they are married to,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,God Bless All. peace
- She is sterile or menopausal
-
liquid dharma
See dharma gee, you are at very initial level of knowledge about Muhammad and quran, it seems, or may be you are pretending. There are verses those confirm that Muhammad had more than one wives at a time. Yes Muhammad can commit a mistake but on his every mistake Allah made a grip but not on practicing polygene.
I was not aware that a thread on almost same topic was being discussed here otherwise I would have not started a new one at general issues and questions.Heya Raj-ah, the verses in the quran which talk about the prophet's wives (plural) can be referring to wives married sequentially, each after the previous wife has died, and not simultainiously.
With regards to shortages of one gender, this is not the cause of polygamy. The cause of polygamy is economic inequality. Not there being a shortage of men, but most men being too poor to marry, so the rich men like to make up for it by grabbing all the women, after they have greedily hoarded all the money.
-
She does not have to if
- She is sterile or menopausal
It could be that the ayah is not addressed to sterile of menopausal women only?
She is already pregnant
All the more reason to guard as not many men would care much about their rival's child. voodoo
he decides to have no more children
You mean they????
One of the husbands is sterlile
Unless all the husbands are sterile yes
-Each husband is of different race
How would different race help her to guard herself ???
-She is smart enough to know to whom the child belongs
Seeing the extremely high number of abortions carreid out on smart women who accidentally become pragnant. How smart do women have to be to know that,???
It does not matter who the child belongs to Each husband will have one assigned to him, or the richest will have them all ;D
Modern husbands, rich or poor, run away from their own children and you propose they would look after each other's children. You mean something like the failed Bagwan Shiri's Ashram? laugh
No Samia let's be honest and admit that a woman is not supposed to have more then one husband, at a time, as ancestry is very important. Remember the ayat, where God instructs us to call children by their father's name. Also, for the importance of knowing one's ancestry, ask adopted kids who do not know about their parents.
peace -
Very true, farida, women are not meant to have more than one husband at a time. But the reason is not identifying the father, because we have DNA tests these days.
The reason is your other point -
Modern husbands, rich or poor, run away from their own children and you propose they would look after each other's children.That is equally true of modern wives. Having multiple wives reduces the number of parental hours a child can have in the same way as multiple husbands. So both are bad.
-
Very true, farida, women are not meant to have more than one husband at a time. But the reason is not identifying the father, because we have DNA tests these days.
DNA is modern phenomenon and the Qur'an is for all ages, including those who can not affort DNA tests.
That is equally true of modern wives. Having multiple wives reduces the number of parental hours a child can have in the same way as multiple husbands. So both are bad.
Having a full time job too reduces number of valuable parental hours and what a miserable situation for children when they have to rely on child minders for their upbringing.
The question is not if both are good or bad but what is the reality and the sadly so called monogamous society hypocritically takes mistresses, girlfriends and boyfriends, As a result everyone is adulterated including children.
peace -
No Samia let's be honest and admit that a woman is not supposed to have more then one husband, at a time, as ancestry is very important. Remember the ayat, where God instructs us to call children by their father's name. Also, for the importance of knowing one's ancestry, ask adopted kids who do not know about their parents.
Children may not know about their fathers for many reasons other than, or least for polyandry. "And call them by their fathers' names, but if you do not know their fathers, then they are your brothers...".So even the quraan accommodated for that.
I hope you did not, nor the others, understood that I am for polyandry. It cannot be that I am strongly against polygamy without the restriction cited in the only verse mentioning polygamy, and then support polyandry. My first post in this subject was in response to someone who asked for a verse where God prohibits polygamy
There is nothing in the Quran forbidding the man from making the same promise with another wife if he can keep it.
-
Children may not know about their fathers for many reasons other than, or least for polyandry. "And call them by their fathers' names, but if you do not know their fathers, then they are your brothers...".So even the quraan accommodated for that.
Salaam Samia,
Of course the Qur'an accommodates all situations but that does not negate the fact that ancestry is very important in Islam and women are asked not to hide it.I hope you did not, nor the others, understood that I am for polyandry.
Who are we to judge but provocative response would solve nothing. Let?s eliminate this friction and do all we can to work together for wider good and hold dialogue with those men whose views may appear harsh.
peace -
Who are we to judge but provocative response would solve nothing. Let?s eliminate this friction and do all we can to work together for wider good and hold dialogue with those men whose views may appear harsh.
peaceI did ot use the word "judge"; and provocative response can shake up some people and make them think impartially. This is not fiction.
-
Samia
Samia you and your other friends got this one wrong too, as in many previous cases. You are so impressed by west that don't mind even making fun of signs of Allah.I do not understand what west has to do here in this discussion, but I want you to show me what signs of Allah my friends and I make fun of.
And what are those "many previous cases"? Who decides that we/ I got them wrong? You? nope
-
Exactly, i do not understand either why the "west" is stated as opposed to "allah" ? The "west" being part of the creation (as far as i know) and "allah" being the one god of all creation....but may be rajah thinks differently...
Also samia, I did understand that you are not for polyandry and i'm happy to be counted among your friends -*
-
Quran 424
Polyandry is forbidden...
Amazing how simple this verse makes things- to understand. Thanks FAR. yay
God Bless All.
-
Amazing how simple this verse makes things- to understand. Thanks FAR. yay
God Bless All.
How is that? Because both of you put "muhsanaat" as married? Comme on! The verse after it says "And whoever among you could not find the means to marry the muhsanaat (married, according to you), then MMA....". Does it mean that there are means to marry them, but some do not have them? What is MMA in your opinion (both of you)? Because they seem to be the alternative in case you are uable to marry "the married"!
-
Exactly, i do not understand either why the "west" is stated as opposed to "allah" ? The "west" being part of the creation (as far as i know) and "allah" being the one god of all creation....but may be rajah thinks differently...
Also samia, I did understand that you are not for polyandry and i'm happy to be counted among your friends -*
And I am flattered my friends are those who have reason handshake
-
How is that? Because both of you put "muhsanaat" as married? Comme on! The verse after it says "And whoever among you could not find the means to marry the muhsanaat (married, according to you), then MMA....". Does it mean that there are means to marry them, but some do not have them? What is MMA in your opinion (both of you)? Because they seem to be the alternative in case you are uable to marry "the married"!
And is it simple or what?
hypno
We can marry married women in our right hands.....
425
And married women except those whom possess your right hands ????.Now what if a person can?t afford to marry even from those they possess in their right hands????then get permission from their guardians i.e. for leniency.
426
And who not is able of you to afford that he marries married women, believing women, from those whom possess your right hands of your maids believing and Allah knows all about your faith you are one from another the marry them with permission of their guardian s and give them their bridal-due in a fair manner married women should not be adulterous nor given to secret love affairs and when they are married????..When ever we start quistioning , we always learn something new!
Allah Hafiz.