ANGELS = ALiENS?
-
At the moment i think the angels exist and they are aliens.
Isa was an alien, Gabriel too.
The only existing God is our God and their God and the same God of all the universe
the Energy,
the only one type existing in all the universe and the thing that does all.
And the aliens say praise nothing but the energy, respect your planet, respect your nature, respect all natures, respect all the universe and respect us and all the other beings.
And don't do as the atheists (materialism leads to injustice) or the polytheists (divisions also lead to injustices) or those men, the illuminati, the zionists and all the lobbies, that use some parts of the knowledge to do wrong, and so they do as Iblis (also the aliens make mistakes!!!), who didn't respected the nature of some other being and so didn't respected his own. They are as the ignorants, cause tawhid means that we are one thing only, and being submitted to the One means to respect all his parts.
Tawhid is the belief of all the beings of the universe, and because in this system you have to respect all and wantin to protect the life of all the planets, as another parts of the One, you have to help all the others.
So they want to lead us in right parth, but they are too evolved and they don't want to destroy us with a contact. Too, they want we can evolve by ourselves, as all the other beings in the universe. So the they gave us revelations made for us, and the Qur'an is the last one. No other messages or messengers will come cause the Qur'an is correct, not adulterated as the Torah and the Gospels (who mislead from tawhid) and they want we unite by ourselves, no more sects or divisions.
This is what i think at the moment.
peace
Edit This topic has been merged with another. There was one post in the topic which is Reply # 20.
-
At the moment i think the angels exist and they are aliens.
Perhaps... as angels (from Greek ANGELOS which means messengers) could perhaps not originated from this earth.
Technically speaking 'an alien'...Isa was an alien, Gabriel too.
By Isa; you mean Jesus the jewish guy who lived and died around 2000 years ago?
Came on.... he's totally human!!.. specifically a jewish guy...
The guy was born in Canaan!! He got a penis! and it was circumcised!
And the guy while still a toddler has suckled the breast of a human female just to stay alive!Do you think jews are alien as well??
I don't know on which Gabriel you refer to..
I have a friend named Gabriel and I really don't think the guy was an alien.. he was borned in Sydney from parent with mexican origins..Salam / Peace
-
.
By Isa; you mean Jesus the jewish guy who lived and died around 2000 years ago?
Came on.... he's totally human!!.. specifically a jewish guy...oh yes, all the humans come out from a virgin, speak to the peoples from the cradle and do miracles.
too, when the Qur'an refers about his nature uses the word ruh, as for the angels.Do you think jews are alien as well??
no, only people as all the others.
all the people of the world is the chosen people and all the world is the promised land.
this one was the message of the Torah, the same of the Qur'an, before they changed it. -
oh yes, all the humans come out from a virgin,
Have you ever heard of "artificial insemination" a.k.a "Tube Baby"?
Nothing strange on virgin female giving birth to a boy nowadays..
We have the technology now to do it.. we've figured it out how it works..And since he is a male, and in order to produce a male humanoid we need X and also Y chromosome.
Thus where did Jesus's Y chromosome came from ?
Bear in mind that during the 'artificial insemination' supposedly take place (with help from our smart and technology advanced Alien friends);
Jesus's mother is already betrothed to a jewish guy called Joseph..
No wonder some folks who wrote the Gospel (i.e. Matthew) trace jesus's genealogy from Joseph...Although we haven't got that figure it out on how supposedly older/ Menopause women could give birth to a child (and deliver it safely).
Thus Isac and John (a.k.a Yahya) supposedly more alien than jesus...speak to the peoples from the cradle
Perhaps the baby jesus was 'possesed' by an Alien...
This alien must be a smart alien and well-versed with humanoid culture, as the alien is supposedly well-versed in hebrew..
assuming that the baby jesus really spoke to the people from his cradle in hebrew...Scientifically, as of today we haven't figure it out how the actual "possessing" mechanism works, but I have seen many of this in action personally..
and do miracles.
Many of the past-age miracles is not so miraculous nowadays..
The healing? Have you ever heards of "Reiki" / "The Natural (and miraculous) Healing"?
Go do some googling..Perhaps the Alien teach Jesus on how to do it..
Or Jesus learned it from some buddhist monks in himalayas..There are rumours that Jesus visit them during those so called "missing years"..
too, when the Qur'an refers about his nature uses the word ruh, as for the angels.
The Quran also refers on other humans / the progeny of Adam using the same word "ruh"...
Thus Adam is also an Alien!!
Wait a minute... then I AM ALSO AN ALIEN!!all the people of the world is the chosen people and all the world is the promised land.
this one was the message of the Torah, the same of the Qur'an, before they changed it.It still is... but sometimes some stupid human twist the message for their own (usually political) agenda..
And this stupid human usually blame another Alien for their own misconduct and stupidity...
They call this unfortunate, scapegoated Alien; The Devil..."Two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-- Albert EinsteinSalam / Peace
-
The Quran also refers on other humans / the progeny of Adam using the same word "ruh"...
Thus Adam is also an Alien!!
It's different when referring to the creation of Adam the quran uses the simple word ruh, spirit, when referring to Isa and all the angels the quran uses another type, ruh al-qudus, the so-called holy spirit.
But of course all the creatures got the same relevance as stated by the verse 359It still is...
no, isn't still "all the people of the world is the chosen people and all the world is the promised land"
at the moment it is "we are the chosen people and this one is our promised land."for example, we can read in the present Torah
Deuteronomy 2320 "You may make a gentile pay interest, but your brother you must not make pay interest."
do you know who are "their brothers"? the jews.
and do you know who are the gentiles? all the other people.Instead in the Qur'an all interests (riba) are forbidden for all the people of the world, because interests lead the people to slavery, oppression and financial crisis (yes, it was written, and it's a logical consequence).
but those ones are basic things.
-
By Isa; you mean Jesus the jewish guy who lived and died around 2000 years ago?
Came on.... he's totally human!!.. specifically a jewish guy...
The guy was born in Canaan!! He got a penis! and it was circumcised!
And the guy while still a toddler has suckled the breast of a human female just to stay alive!Salam / Peace
He's not an alien, but he was abducted by them.
4157 And their saying ?We have killed the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of God!? And they had not murdered him, nor killed him by crucifixion, but it appeared to them as if they had. Those who dispute are in doubt of him, they have no knowledge except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty.
4158 Instead, God had raised him to Himself; and God is Noble, Wise. -
He's not an alien, but he was abducted by them.
why?
how we can be sure he was abducted by the aliens and not an alien himself?or, to be more exact how we can be sure he was a man?!?!?!?!
i mean his birth has to do with an angel/alien and a virgin woman, he speak from the cradle and he does miracles.it doesn't look a little strange?!?!?!?!?!?
-
confused
i was thinkin in that case, abduction,
confused
Maryam could been the abducted one!!!
o o o o o o o
so the prophet Isa-ibn-Maryam could be the adducted baby of Maryam
o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o
or, described in an allegorical way,
Maryam + the alien inside her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o
all crazies things,
anyway all alien things...almost sure, the angels exist and they are aliens!!!!!
jedi -
hei i'm not so original!!!! i just found this site through the net
http//www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7906/
it says it's all old stuff
"If the Quran is so explicit in stating the existence of living organisms in the universe (4229), we would suppose that the Muslim population would generally be aware of the fact that the Quran mentions extraterrestrials. Unfortunately that is not the case. A significant proportion of Muslims have no idea that this exciting piece of information is provided in their Holy Book. I have quoted a number of scholars in this article, who have commented on the verses relating to extraterrestrials. Among them are those such as Yusuf Ali and Muhammad Asad, whose works are known to Muslims throughout the world. Allama Shabbir Ahmad Usmani was a prominent figure in the Freedom Movement of Pakistan. All scholars quoted are from the mainstream of Islam. So, at least, Muslim scholars are aware of the Quran mentioning aliens. Yet, there are scholars also who have no idea about this subject. Surprisingly,even Maurice Bucaille,whose brilliant book, The Bible,The Quran and Science is extensive in its coverage of scientific topics in the Quran, completely overlooked the mention of aliens.
How aware were the early Muslims, about the existence of extraterrestrials, or verses in the Quran on this topic? Bashir-ud-Din Mahmood writes, "The idea that there is life elsewhere in the universe also, was derived from the Prophet of Allah (pbuh) when he told Muslims "When you sit down in the prayer for the Attahiyat and say - Peace be upon us,and the righteous servants of Allah - you actually send peace on all the righteous people living on the Earth and in the Heavens." This clearly implies that all type of people, good and bad live in other worlds as they live on our Earth." (71) He also writes,with reference to the Rasial Imam Ghazali, "According to Imam Muhammad Ghazali (11th Century), people in some of these planetary worlds have learnt to travel and communicate with each other." (72)"
sun cool, so i'm not a madman rotfl
just a muslim jedi -
i was thinkin to this verse of 53
"Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted islam as the system for you."
what i wanted to say is just
THE QUR'AN CONTAINS THE MESSAGE OF THE SYSTEM GIVEN BY GOD AND ARRIVED THANKS TO ALIENS (THE ANGELS) AND HUMANS (THE MESSENGER AND THEY WHO HAVE COMPILED IT)
-
Great topic that you have brought here brother...
Here's something that i made up. A theory i guess. I hope it make sense. Just putting out the pieces that has been inspired to me. ;D
Let's put the premise that the Quran and other holy books are from the ETs.
Let's also put the premise that ETs that are highly intelligent, knows how we function, how to push which buttons, and how to program our mind.
Also to add is they wanna help us evolve and give us guidance so that we don't stray of too much from realizing who we are. And accelerate our evolution.
Let's also put a premise that they can predict our future, also with a premise that the future is not written on stone, but a probability.
Free will element is the cause of the future is probable and not linear. So each human is capable to choose their own path. Thus an uncontrolled civilization may lead to human extinction.
So with a proper control to us with a program that they have made they can easily predict our path because they have a program that can lead us to that path.
Also to add, there are many kinds of them, so i'm not talking to only a specific type but as a general. There are many levels of civilizations that is identified. Close to what star wars and star trek has depicted.If this is true, religion is one of the program. A program to introduce to the people about God to the people. If they reduce the chance of chaos and put order to our social program, they can manipulate it. With a supreme being in the program, they will have a focal point. And anything that the supreme being says is to be followed. Thus, i believe with this premise, any future prediction can be easily made because our future is controlled or at least 80% percent predictable. It could awaken the people or dumb them down. Depends on which aspect of the program the people choose. The program has to have both aspect for it to perpetuate itself. Once it is in motion, the ETs can just leave us be and let us choose our path with a guide from the program.
Lets take a look at how the program would works.
Now how to protect this program? How not to make these humans follow the program? simple, give them motivations. Give them rewards, a pleasurable place called heaven. And to make sure humans don't stray off too much from the program, they have to make a protective program. A protective program is to make use of the human emotions of fear. So they have to create an strong scary entity or a place where nobody wants to be like Satan or hell so that humans will obey to their main program. And also add a punishment of pain in an unknown out of the world hell. But hell seems not enough, they put a judgement day in it too, to make it look dramatic and believable. So that people will fear more of the unknown. Humans naturally don't like pain. If they relate those things with pain and suffering, they will just stay away from it. Know that these programs are social programs. So the social masses must believe it in order for the program to perpetuate itself. Thus a miracle from God or a superhuman is introduced as an attractor. Also a war between good and evil is a great illusion to make the program unique with it's own identity. So that they will be remembered and relate it with the program. There are a lot of versions as we know it. It's a program, so it has some bugs. But the concept is the same.
I noticed that, most of the words in the book are so vague and sometimes confusing. The chaotic or confusing aspect is what excites and push the user, while the order aspect is the one that guides and attach the user. In a positive side, it could increase their intelligence to ask more questions and want to know more and do research by themselves. The negative effect is they will fear the words because of the fear of straying from the program and this will trigger them to not think at all and just follow it. With a beautiful out of this world words that is said in the book makes people addicted to it, and thus become attached. If people are attracted and attached to it, then the program can run, powered by these believers. Then the human will learn something rather than picking anything from a leave and eat it.
Now there's a catch with free will. They are risk to take. There will always be an anomaly within the program that will break the equation of the program. Thus they may evolve the program, or leave it, or corrupt it with a new different twist with the program. Somehow i have a feeling they are 80% successful with it. The war between Muslims, Christians and Jews is i think is as they have predicted but somehow a bit delayed. The wordings of the books is what makes these people choose the path that the program had give them. An amazing symphony of harmony if you ask me.
So with this in mind, the big question is, what is the purpose of this program?
I came out with some conclusion.- they want to help humans to evolve through learning how to break free of the attachment to the program. Kinda like a "slingshot" effect. Awakening. Rupture.
- they want to control the masses that is not capable to think for themselves yet, thus not making the human civilization chaotic and be a catalyst to those who have awakened, thus become a teacher to those who have not awakened yet, accelerate the evolution. Collectively evolve together as a species.
- So that these ETs don't have to show themselves and just watch the symphony that has been played out by us from their program.
So i suppose this is the perfect system. Chaos and order is important for human growth of awareness. There will be up and downs. All this wars and suffering is actually a sign of imbalance that will balance itself out with the help of the program. The program protects us from further imbalance. i.e more killing that could lead to extinction. To trigger the human mind to create more peace, have more order than chaos so that others can grow properly. Many people are awakening now. The earth climate is changing. Other planets too including the sun. Although the ultimate goal is to awaken all humans, it might not be possible but probable with a given circumstances. They just need to push the button when the time is right. And that is the time to harvest the crop that they have grown in this cycle.
All things has a cycle. Even this universe and this solar system. And we are coming to an another great cycle. It's just a matter of time. The clock is ticking... ;D
Sorry it's a bit long to read. I hope it's interesting enough to excites the mind.
-
very interesting ideas brother, i think this question is very important to understand the path and find the Truth.
but i think different from some of your ideas, simply because i believe in the qur'an fully you argue that it's all a program, also the judgement day, heaven and hell, good and evil, etc.
well, i think that all those things exist, we just must understand how, and believe in what we will never understand, 'cause the mind of the humans is so little and the universe is so big. but we can have it all in our hand by feeling it, and here there are the hurialso, i don't think that they want to control our minds, they want we evolve, or, if they wanted this, instead of giving us a message, they would have been able to easily push us into slavery. but people who want to control the minds exist, and they are some humans who know some part of the Truth and they use it to do wrong... they are just ignorants with power who see a little light and they believe they are enlightened, but they are just full of darkness. the qur'an is also an antidote against this (yes, it was predictable and the legend of the dajjal is about this stuff)
and another time i apologize fo the wrong title, the right one should be
THE QUR'AN CONTAINS THE MESSAGE OF THE SYSTEM GIVEN BY GOD AND ARRIVED THANKS TO ALIENS (THE ANGELS) AND HUMANS (THE MESSENGER AND THEY WHO HAVE COMPILED IT)
because not just the e.t.'s , but also muhammad, who have compiled it, the old prophets who changed the history, all the humans and much more, they all made it so, and we all together with all the universe are the will of God.
ps. the truth is there is One Truth
-
how it's possible to change the title of the topic?
i want to put something like "Qur'an, humans and aliens" instead of this one which is wrong and misleading.
do you know how to do? i have to contact the webmaster?
-
At the moment i think the angels exist and they are aliens.
Isa was an alien, Gabriel too.
The only existing God is our God and their God and the same God of all the universe
the Energy,
the only one type existing in all the universe and the thing that does all.
And the aliens say praise nothing but the energy, respect your planet, respect your nature, respect all natures, respect all the universe and respect us and all the other beings.
And don't do as the atheists (materialism leads to injustice) or the polytheists (divisions also lead to injustices) or those men, the illuminati, the zionists and all the lobbies, that use some parts of the knowledge to do wrong, and so they do as Iblis (also the aliens make mistakes!!!), who didn't respected the nature of some other being and so didn't respected his own. They are as the ignorants, cause tawhid means that we are one thing only, and being submitted to the One means to respect all his parts.
Tawhid is the belief of all the beings of the universe, and because in this system you have to respect all and wantin to protect the life of all the planets, as another parts of the One, you have to help all the others.
So they want to lead us in right parth, but they are too evolved and they don't want to destroy us with a contact. Too, they want we can evolve by ourselves, as all the other beings in the universe. So the they gave us revelations made for us, and the Qur'an is the last one. No other messages or messengers will come cause the Qur'an is correct, not adulterated as the Torah and the Gospels (who mislead from tawhid) and they want we unite by ourselves, no more sects or divisions.
This is what i think at the moment.
peacePeace,
Respectfully.So what do you think of the UFO's? Are they the ride that aliens use?
Of course, we must first define what an alien is. For me, alien is a foreigner, someone who is not human, not from this planet and if then we see some creature which is unknown to us or we see it for the first time, then that can be an alien.When a human being saw a dolphin for the first time, what did s/he think, say, do?
Later, we got used to dolphin became part of our memory and we are now use to them.
But dolphins have a shape, size, form, smile, tail and a fin.The Exalted God, The Most Powerful, The ONLY Creator has no limits, right?
I don't think that angels are aliens because i can't prove it with strong evidence but i do know that angels are made of light. What kind of light, i don't know.
Aliens are not humans, so, where are these creatures from and what do they look like, what is their goal and life style?God knows best.
Glory be to our God.
Peace. -
i don't know how they are made, but, basing my ideas on the qur'an and on many other clues, i'm almost sure they are not from here.
maybe they are robots.
-
Lol that was just based on that premise.. if that is not true, then the theory is not valid... Hehe...
but i think different from some of your ideas, simply because i believe in the qur'an fully you argue that it's all a program, also the judgement day, heaven and hell, good and evil, etc.
well, i think that all those things exist, we just must understand how, and believe in what we will never understand, 'cause the mind of the humans is so little and the universe is so big. but we can have it all in our hand by feeling it, and here there are the huri Winkyou know what, i think it really does exist. But not in this space time but probably in other dimension both with a different laws of physics. I've studied some about string theory and m-theory and the existence of a hierarchy of dimensions and a membrane that walls us from other parallel universe. Up to 10+1 time dimensions and could be higher but it is just not necessary to figure that out because it's too far. We are in the 3rd dimension. This other places that has been depicted might be in another universe with a different "big bang" and with a different laws of physics.
So what is depicted in the Quran is i believe the exact thing as the actual thing. But for us to go to hell... i think it is not necessary. Unless you choose to. Or you let God choose it for you. depends on your level of vibration and your desire.
Alen wrote
I don't think that angels are aliens because i can't prove it with strong evidence but i do know that angels are made of light. What kind of light, i don't know.
I think we are made of light too. if we look at the particle closely, actually we are just a construct of particles of waves of energy. which consist of 96% of empty space if i'm not mistaken. Same construct of a light. which is energy too. Hence all comes from an energy.
And our soul is energy too. A light being i presume. Connected to us through an unseen energy vortex in the body from a different dimension. I believe we are multidimensional being.
As for those benevolent ETs. I believe they are a higher dimensional beings. Capable of seeing the unseen and has a close connection with the God. And also capable of shifting through dimensions and universes. Either through ships, or just manifestation of energy or just telepathic communication or channeling... Not that God is weak and need their help or something, it's just that every of those beings just knows what they should do.
-
peace be upon you,
this topic is weird............. nope
-
Salaam, everyone.
Don't you people have anything useful to talk/discuss about? For almost 1400 years, minus a few first hundred years after revelation of our holy book, The Qur'an; this is exactly what the whole Muslim world been doing. TALKING NONSENSE & DOING NONSENSE/NOTHING, wasting time and life while the rest of the world progressing themselves and exploiting us, robbing us of our natural resources and forcing us to stay behind.
If you are sincere Muslims, just stop all this POINTLESS, USELESS, TIME CONSUMING, GOOD FOR NOTHING, DISCUSSIONS and stick just to The Qru'an. Study it on a regular basis. Try to understand it as a WHOLE and a COHERENT message to us from our Creator Who Has sent to us for our guidance in THIS WORLD, then sincerely ask Him to guide us in His light and to His straight path. Remember in the Judgment the prophet Mohammad will complain about us, only one complaint "The messenger said. O my Lord, verily my people put this Qur'an away!"
God Almighty Himself Directs us to just stick with the essence/mother of the book only. The allegorical/motashabihat part of The Qur'an, only God Knows about and He Explains them as He Wills through time.
So dear brothers/sisters; Please try to stay focus, always seek refuge to Allah from the Satan the outcast. Always ask God Almighty for help and guidance.
Know that these kinds of none essential discussions never get us anywhere. Start today renew your covenant with God and start DOING RIGHTEOUS, CONSTRUCTIVE, GOOD DEEDS according to the directions of The Qur'an to the best of our abilities. The rest is up to Him. Do not forget, it starts with Qur'anic studies on a regular basis, following the essence of The Book.
May Allah(swt) Guides us all in His Light and Increases us our knowledge.
Your brother, Khalil.
-
Salaam, everyone.
Don't you people have anything useful to talk/discuss about? For almost 1400 years, minus a few first hundred years after revelation of our holy book, The Qur'an; this is exactly what the whole Muslim world been doing. TALKING NONSENSE & DOING NONSENSE/NOTHING, wasting time and life while the rest of the world progressing themselves and exploiting us, robbing us of our natural resources and forcing us to stay behind.
If you are sincere Muslims, just stop all this POINTLESS, USELESS, TIME CONSUMING, GOOD FOR NOTHING, DISCUSSIONS and stick just to The Qru'an. Study it on a regular basis. Try to understand it as a WHOLE and a COHERENT message to us from our Creator Who Has sent to us for our guidance in THIS WORLD, then sincerely ask Him to guide us in His light and to His straight path. Remember in the Judgment the prophet Mohammad will complain about us, only one complaint "The messenger said. O my Lord, verily my people put this Qur'an away!"
God Almighty Himself Directs us to just stick with the essence/mother of the book only. The allegorical/motashabihat part of The Qur'an, only God Knows about and He Explains them as He Wills through time.
So dear brothers/sisters; Please try to stay focus, always seek refuge to Allah from the Satan the outcast. Always ask God Almighty for help and guidance.
Know that these kinds of none essential discussions never get us anywhere. Start today renew your covenant with God and start DOING RIGHTEOUS, CONSTRUCTIVE, GOOD DEEDS according to the directions of The Qur'an to the best of our abilities. The rest is up to Him. Do not forget, it starts with Qur'anic studies on a regular basis, following the essence of The Book.
May Allah(swt) Guides us all in His Light and Increases us our knowledge.
Your brother, Khalil.
Salaam brother Khalil,
This forum is often misused by people who find it cool to have useless discussions and raise irrelevant questions to cast doubt into people?s hearts.
Then you have extremist of all sorts who want to impose their views on others by taking advantage of the absence of the example/guidance from the prophet to create a new and alien Deen. As a result there are men who want to put women at the bottom of the pile and deprive them of all due rights/respect and then there are women who use ayahs of the Quran to exert their feminist agenda to humiliate men in order to feel liberated.On the political side too there are some very weird and blind discussions, which would lead to no greater good and one wonders who is actually supporting and financing this site as little is done to unite the followers of the Qur?an and much is done to divide us. May be its THE ALiENS. hmm
Those who are bent of corrupting on this earth will face the wrath of God. yes
peace -
"Seek knowledge even as far as China" - Muhammad
sorry if someone is bothered, but i want to know The Truth. ALL THE TRUTH.
come on brothers, do you fear The Truth? do you think that if aliens exist and they are the angels, and they are involved in the revelation, the meaning of the revelation changes? NO! in all the whole universe it's the same one there is no one but The One!
seek knowledge even as far as space - me