Virgins in paradise
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Peace to all,
Try these verses Amid,
Gardens of perpetual bliss they shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their fathers, their spouses, and their offspring and angels shall enter unto them from every gate (with the salutation) Peace unto you for that ye persevered in patience! Now how excellent is the final home!) (Ar-Ra`d 1323-24).
( And they who believe and whose seed follow them in faith, We cause their seed to join them (there), and We deprive them of naught of their (life?s) work. Every man is responsible for that which he hath earned) (At-Tur 5221).
( Lo! those who merit Paradise this day are happily employed, they and their wives, in pleasant shade, on thrones reclining) (Ya-Sin 3655-56).
Kurt
That's interesting, thanks. However, some people say that the word in 3655-56 means "associates" instead of wives. Can you shed more light on this please?
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You have discussed it, but didn't explain much at all. The thread turned into a discussiong about whether Adam was a prophet, etc. etc.
I would just simply like some verses from the Qur'an (or one verse) which talks about believers being with THEIR wives in paradise, not with spouses that are assigned to them there.
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My conclusion is There will be no male or female human being when entering Heaven or Hellfire. a Human Female Soul will be united with a male soul in one single body...as we were created before, our Father Adam before taking away his female part from his body.
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My conclusion is There will be no male or female human being when entering Heaven or Hellfire. a Human Female Soul will be united with a male soul in one single body...as we were created before, our Father Adam before taking away his female part from his body.
If the verses IronSky posted are correctly interpreted, then your statement makes no sense.
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If the verses IronSky posted are correctly interpreted, then your statement makes no sense.
What Ironsky posted is correct; when saying that your wife will enter to Heaven with you, would you say that she will be
1- she will be one of your wives, beside Hoor Elyeen; in other word, she will be one of your prizes.
2-She will have many husbands from Hoor Elyeen, beside you.Or would you say that her soul will be joined with yours in a single body; both will feel the joy of being in heaven equally. After all God is Just, and He will reward all the male and female believers equally; and if Female believer would to be rewarded differently than man (e.g., Hoor Eleen), God would have said that in Quran, moreover, He would have said the type of rewards.
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And when the souls are joined (81-7)(
And your creation or your resurrection is in no wise but as an Single soul
for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things). (31-2That is my thoughts...may God bless.
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What Ironsky posted is correct; when saying that your wife will enter to Heaven with you, would you say that she will be
1- she will be one of your wives, beside Hoor Elyeen; in other word, she will be one of your prizes.
2-She will have many husbands from Hoor Elyeen, beside you.Or would you say that her soul will be joined with yours in a single body; both will feel the joy of being in heaven equally. After all God is Just, and He will reward all the male and female believers equally; and if Female believer would to be rewarded differently than man (e.g., Hoor Eleen), God would have said that in Quran, moreover, He would have said the type of rewards.
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And when the souls are joined (81-7)(
And your creation or your resurrection is in no wise but as an Single soul
for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things). (31-2That is my thoughts...may God bless.
There are verses about young beautiful boys with eternal youth in paradise.
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Peace,
When you enter the paradise there is no evil in your hearts; male or female you are made pristine pure; no jinn nor man would ever touch even each other's hearts with an evil for there is no such thing in them.
Next, all of us will be made as equal and equitable in age and splendor. So you would love your spouses much more beautifully than you loved them when you got married to them and entered into relationship with them for the very first time. And there is no aging for you there. This is the never ending status of utmost satisfaction in paradise.
Then finally with regard to 'hoor ul ein'! They are only for those who were raised as witnesses - shahidis and about who Allah wanted us to make clear that we shall not call them the dead for they sacrificed their lives in the path of Allah! Those are the people went way ahead and advanced before us. Their paradise in Jannath - ADNU.
Regards.
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So you would love your spouses much more beautifully than you loved them when you got married to them and entered into relationship with them for the very first time.
Peace drfazl
what you said above is not in Quran (I believe); nothing in Quran indicates that married Females will continue to be the wife of here earthy husband in heaven; what you are saying is supported by many hadiths, which makes the Female believer as a prize to the male believer in Heaven; that is what I do not agree with. I believe God will reward all the believers, male and female equally; moreover, all of them will have what God mentioned in Quran including Hoor Eleain.Then finally with regard to 'hoor ul ein'! They are only for those who were raised as witnesses - shahidis and about who Allah wanted us to make clear that we shall not call them the dead for they sacrificed their lives in the path of Allah! Those are the people went way ahead and advanced before us. Their paradise in Jannath - ADNU.
with due all respect, the above clearly disagree with the Quran.
According to Quran humans will be three groups
567 And you will be in three groupings.
568 So those on the right, who will be from those on the right?
569 And those on the left, who will be from those on the left?
5610 And those foremost, who will be from those foremost?
5611 They will be the ones who are brought near.two in heaven and one in hellfire.
One of the heaven's group will have the following
5622 And wonderful companions.
5623 Like pearls which are sheltered.
5624 A reward for their works.and the other will have
5635 We have developed them completely.
5636 And made them never previously touched.
5637 Perfect, mature in age.
5638 For those on the right side.In other words, all the believers in Heaven will have Hoor el ean.
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Then finally with regard to 'hoor ul ein'! They are only for those who were raised as witnesses - shahidis and about who Allah wanted us to make clear that we shall not call them the dead for they sacrificed their lives in the path of Allah! Those are the people went way ahead and advanced before us. Their paradise in Jannath - ADNU.
In your above statement, you are confusing between the believers who were killed in the name of Allah and the Shahidies "witnesses". The first is not as the second; All the believers whom are spreading the truth among people will be witnesses in the hereafter; in other words, they do not have to be killed in the name of Allah to become witnesses.
May God bless.
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Peace drfazl
what you said above is not in Quran (I believe); nothing in Quran indicates that married Females will continue to be the wife of here earthy husband in heaven; what you are saying is supported by many hadiths, which makes the Female believer as a prize to the male believer in Heaven; that is what I do not agree with. I believe God will reward all the believers, male and female equally; moreover, all of them will have what God mentioned in Quran including Hoor Eleain.
with due all respect, the above clearly disagree with the Quran.Dear belH,
What I have said in my post is what I perceive from the Quran in text of words; it is mandatory upon us that we shall have to understand by applying our mind to what we read. Perception and reception are important while using Quran for Guidance in one's life. So what I have written is my perception. Perception may Reveal to one to see things clearly the straight path from the path of error; in this manner perceptive qualities shall lead to receiving the Revelations. With regard to hoorul ein, you may rethink on it to see that you might agree with that you disagree now.
And for your information, I do not know hadiths; neither do I care; nor do I believe in the men made hadiths except the Hadith of Allah, The Quran.
According to Quran humans will be three groups
When are they divided into three groups? Who are the three groups? Who are the foremost? Who are the people on the Right? And who are the people on the left? If you can please clarify.
two in heaven and one in hellfire.
Who are the 2 in the heaven and what are the differences between the 2 groups of heavenites? Why Allah had divided among the heavenites? Please clarify.
One of the heaven's group will have the following
5622 And wonderful companions.
5623 Like pearls which are sheltered.
5624 A reward for their works.and the other will have
5635 We have developed them completely.
5636 And made them never previously touched.
5637 Perfect, mature in age.
5638 For those on the right side.Why is this difference? And what is this difference for?
In other words, all the believers in Heaven will have Hoor el ean.
If you answer all my questions above you will come to know that hoorul ein belong to one group of heavenite, the first and foremost.
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In your above statement, you are confusing between the believers who were killed in the name of Allah and the Shahidies "witnesses". The first is not as the second; All the believers whom are spreading the truth among people will be witnesses in the hereafter; in other words, they do not have to be killed in the name of Allah to become witnesses.
Please answer my above questions so that you will agree with the above paragraph that you disagree for now.
May God bless.
Peace..
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Peace drfazl
What I have said in my post is what I perceive from the Quran in text of words; it is mandatory upon us that we shall have to understand by applying our mind to what we read. Perception and reception are important while using Quran for Guidance in one's life. So what I have written is my perception. Perception may Reveal to one to see things clearly the straight path from the path of error; in this manner perceptive qualities shall lead to receiving the Revelations.
I agree; but you should understand that sometimes our perception is limited. For example, I used to perceive that God will give male believers Wives in Heaven, including their earthy wives. but then, I saw many female believers are sad that their reward from God is not equal to male believers; then, I new my perception is wrong...after all God is Just.
thus, I started to search the Quran for answer until I found 81-7 and 31-28.And for your information, I do not know hadiths; neither do I care; nor do I believe in the men made hadiths except the Hadith of Allah, The Quran.
I know
When are they divided into three groups? Who are the three groups? Who are the foremost? Who are the people on the Right? And who are the people on the left? If you can please clarify.
The Foremost
9100 And the foremost who came early from amongst the emigrants and the supporters, and those who followed them in kindness; God has accepted them, and they have accepted Him; and He prepared for them estates with rivers flowing beneath in which they will abide eternally. Such is the great success.
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according to the above verse, they were among the believers during the prophet time, and any other believer whom follow their footstep--they are the true believers.The following verses are some of their attributes
2357 As for those who are in reverence from the awareness of their Lord.
23572358And they believe in the revelations of their Lord.
23582359 And they do not associate lies with their Lord.
23592360 And they give of what they were given, and their hearts are full of reverence that they will return to their Lord.
23602361 These are the ones who race in doing good, and they are the first to it (Sabikoon-"Foremost".
2361I believe that the foremost are the ones who follow the footstep of Messengers; they are the sect of God who carry out the mission of spreading the truth among people and protecting the truth from lies; and when doing so, some get killed and others die normally (some prophets died normally and others were killed; and both type are among the foremost group). These group would be among the witnesses in JD;
The people of the right
1771 The Day We call every people by their Scripture. Then, whoever are given their record by their right, they will relate their record, and they will not be wronged in the least.
1771those are the people of right; they will not be among the witnesses, but among the ones whom will be under judgment. I believe they are the ones whom followed God's book but did not choose to confront the lies and spread the truth.
Thus, the Foremost are the Believers and the People of the Right are the Submitter (moslem).
I hope I did well in this one; may God forgive me if I made mistake.
And Finally, please note in chapter 56, the two Groups that are going to heaven will have Wives; moreover if you read chapter 55, you will note how God is describing the two different type of wives of Heaven.
Please note that if your arrgument that Only the ones whom were killed in God's cause will have Hoor eleen is true, then what about the females who get killed in God's cause or how about Prophet Mohamed or Abrahim who died normally? do you think they will not be rewarded with the Foremost Group?
May God bless.
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You have discussed it, but didn't explain much at all. The thread turned into a discussiong about whether Adam was a prophet, etc. etc.
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Sorry, I did not gave you the right thread; the following thread is where we discussed in details (please note that at the end, the thread deviated from its focus...as usual)http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596958.120
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Peace drfazl
The Foremost
9100 And the foremost who came early from amongst the emigrants and the supporters, and those who followed them in kindness; God has accepted them, and they have accepted Him; and He prepared for them estates with rivers flowing beneath in which they will abide eternally. Such is the great success.
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according to the above verse, they were among the believers during the prophet time, and any other believer whom follow their footstep--they are the true believers.Dear belH,
While Quran is for all times, then try applying it to today's eventualities. We are here living today and we are going to live tomorrow; our past has been Forgiven and we have forgotten whatever that had transpired of us; for that is the God, Almighty's Grace! So apply the ayats of Quran for now and for tomorrow, if we consider it as a guidance for us from God. Apply the ayat 9 100 in real time today, and then rewrite your opinion for today's and for application in future. Now who are the people Foremost?
The following verses are some of the attributes of the foremost
2357 As for those who are in reverence from the awareness of their Lord.
2358 And they believe in the revelations of their Lord.
2359 And they do not associate lies with their Lord.
2360 And they give of what they were given, and their hearts are full of reverence that they will return to their Lord.
2361 These are the ones who race in doing good, and they are the first to it (Sabikoon-"Foremost".
These ayats pertains to the present context and to the people living today and for the future. It does not cater to the messengers' time. If you apply this ayat with relevance to today and tomorrow it will be well appreciated.
I believe that the foremost are the ones who follow the footstep of Messengers; they are the sect of God who carry out the mission of spreading the truth among people and protecting the truth from lies;
How do we spread the message of God in truth and protect the truth from lies according to Quran? For only such people are considered following the footsteps of messengers in the ranks foremost.
and when doing so, some get killed and others die normally (some prophets died normally and others were killed; and both type are among the foremost group). These group would be among the witnesses in JD;
Let me make this one clear from you. You get at it like the foremost are the messengers alone or there are foremost among the present and future populace too? If you say yes to the above question then, what you are saying below will have to be re-written suitably.
The people of the right
1771 The Day We call every people by their Scripture. Then, whoever are given their record by their right, they will relate their record, and they will not be wronged in the least.
1771those are the people of right; they will not be among the witnesses, but among the ones whom will be under judgment. I believe they are the ones whom followed God's book but did not choose to confront the lies and spread the truth.
Thus, the Foremost are the Believers and the People of the Right are the Submitter (moslem).
I hope I did well in this one; may God forgive me if I made mistake.
And Finally, please note in chapter 56, the two Groups that are going to heaven will have Wives; moreover if you read chapter 55, you will note how God is describing the two different type of wives of Heaven.
Yes, but who is who and who for who is the question.
Please note that if your argument is that Only the ones whom were killed in God's cause will have Hoor eleen is true, then what about the females who get killed in God's cause or how about Prophet Mohamed or Abrahim who died normally? do you think they will not be rewarded with the Foremost Group?
No, I did not say what you presume.
May God bless.
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drfazl, I have showed who are the Foremost and the people of Right in our recent days. my end conclusion was
the Foremost are the Believers and the People of the Right are the Submitter (moslem)Which means that The foremost in our recent days are the ones who follow the footstep of God's Messengers (they deliver and protect God's Messages). On the other hand, the people of right are the ones who follow God's Laws that are written in his Books (Quran, Torah and Injeel), and they do not associate lies to God's religion nor they follow Humans religious teachings that is not written in Quran.
Please note that the Foremost = Submitter + Spreading God's Messages and protecting it from Lies.No, I did not say what you presume.
Sorry if I misunderstood you but can you clarify what you wrote here
Then finally with regard to 'hoor ul ein'! They are only for those who were raised as witnesses - shahidis and about who Allah wanted us to make clear that we shall not call them the dead for they sacrificed their lives in the path of Allah! Those are the people went way ahead and advanced before us. Their paradise in Jannath - ADNU.
The above can be understood that Hoor ul ein are only for the ones who were killed in God's cause.
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Since you have reached the end conclusion, I would like to be as precise as possible. When I have said those who are raised as witnesses it does not mean they are necessarily to be killed; they may die a natural death also while in the path of Allah, fighting a life against an all round enemy shaitan. Allah says "Say not as dead those who are killed or died in the path of Allah; they are living and Allah is feeding them." These are the foremost I said. These people are not the people of prophets' time alone but those who went before them and shall go after them following the path of Allah fighting their lives against shaitan, till the world ends. Therefore the foremost will form into a large chunk of the people and from the Right a small group of people will make to heavens of their due. Hoorul ein are for the foremost. What or Who are these hoorul eins? May Allah teach us and reward us!
Without being a Believer in the first place there is no possibility of submitting. Believers alone can be submitters and hence they are just one and the same group of people.
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Peace drfazl
When I have said those who are raised as witnesses it does not mean they are necessarily to be killed; they may die a natural death also while in the path of Allah, fighting a life against an all round enemy shaitan.
Agree
Allah says "Say not as dead those who are killed or died in the path of Allah; they are living and Allah is feeding them." These are the foremost I said.
There is no mentioning of "Or Died" in the verse.
3169 And do not think that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving a bounty.
These people are not the people of prophets' time alone but those who went before them and shall go after them following the path of Allah fighting their lives against shaitan, till the world ends. Therefore the foremost will form into a large chunk of the people and from the Right a small group of people will make to heavens of their due.
drfazl; the ones who are killed in the sake of Allah are not among any of the groups in JD...they are already in Heaven while me and you speaking at this moment...they will not wait for JD as the Foremost and the people of the right do.
Hoorul ein are for the foremost. What or Who are these hoorul eins? May Allah teach us and reward us!
agree; Hoor ul ein is one type of the Heaven's wives; never the less, there is another type for the people of right that is mentioned as will in the chapter.
Without being a Believer in the first place there is no possibility of submitting. Believers alone can be submitters and hence they are just one and the same group of people.
4914 The Nomads said ?We believe.? Say ?You have not believed; but you should say ?We have submitted?, for belief has not yet entered into your hearts.? If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
4915 Believers are those who believe in God and His messenger, then they became without doubt, and they strive with their money and their lives in the cause of God. These are the truthful ones.
4916 Say ?Are you teaching God about your system while God knows everything in the heavens and the Earth? God is knowledgeable of all things.?Allah knows his system when saying that submitting is less than believing.
May God bless and increase your knowledge
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Dear belH,
Peace drfazl
There is no mentioning of "Or Died" in the verse.
3169 And do not think that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving a bounty.
Please read the ayat 3 169 with the ayat 3 157. You will find here that Allah's reward is the same for the people thus martyred.
drfazl; the ones who are killed in the sake of Allah are not among any of the groups in JD...they are already in Heaven while me and you speaking at this moment...they will not wait for JD as the Foremost and the people of the right do.
If you read 7 46 you will find wherefrom I derived my point. They are yet to enter; and are waiting to enter the heavens on the JD.
4914 The Nomads said ?We believe.? Say ?You have not believed; but you should say ?We have submitted?, for belief has not yet entered into your hearts.? If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
4915 Believers are those who believe in God and His messenger, then they became without doubt, and they strive with their money and their lives in the cause of God. These are the truthful ones.
4916 Say ?Are you teaching God about your system while God knows everything in the heavens and the Earth? God is knowledgeable of all things.?
Allah knows his system when saying that submitting is less than believing.The problem here is while Allah says the submitters are not considered at all as having Iman in their hearts, though they might claim to be so. Therefore the meaning goes thus 4914 The Nomads said ?We believe.? Say ?You have not believed; but you should say ?We have rituals?, for belief has not yet entered into your hearts.? If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
So be not a submitter merely following certain rituals without Iman.
May God bless and increase your knowledge
Please say, "May God increase OUR Knowledge."
Peace
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It sounds like an entirely irrelevant argument. Think about it, do you think an eternal heaven is something any of us would want right now? Our will to live goes up and down depending on how much meaning we can interpret to life (the driving reason being dopamine, the brain chemical via which these particular human perceptions are mediated). Considering that, why should a person's wife make it into heaven? There is a good chance they will be in hell so I don't see why it would be one's wife. Sometimes a cursory look at the most basic facets is all it takes.
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Not one of us shall want to go up and then down! Is it not for a better and meaningful life that we pray for? And will not God admit and allow? Will you not wish your household too lead a life to the fullest satisfaction of God and may they enter the garden with you? So that Allah's promise of recompense holds good even in this world and in the life thereafter? At which point shall you enter the eternal life of no death after your freedom from all physical limitations, the death of this life! If you have a cursory look, it will be ending up in argument; for a cursory look has no view points for discussion and to elevation. The contents of the Book is not meant for casual reading.
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