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Peace all
drfazl, I have showed who are the Foremost and the people of Right in our recent days. my end conclusion was
the Foremost are the Believers and the People of the Right are the Submitter (moslem)Which means that The foremost in our recent days are the ones who follow the footstep of God's Messengers (they deliver and protect God's Messages). On the other hand, the people of right are the ones who follow God's Laws that are written in his Books (Quran, Torah and Injeel), and they do not associate lies to God's religion nor they follow Humans religious teachings that is not written in Quran.
Please note that the Foremost = Submitter + Spreading God's Messages and protecting it from Lies.No, I did not say what you presume.
Sorry if I misunderstood you but can you clarify what you wrote here
Then finally with regard to 'hoor ul ein'! They are only for those who were raised as witnesses - shahidis and about who Allah wanted us to make clear that we shall not call them the dead for they sacrificed their lives in the path of Allah! Those are the people went way ahead and advanced before us. Their paradise in Jannath - ADNU.
The above can be understood that Hoor ul ein are only for the ones who were killed in God's cause.
Peace
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Since you have reached the end conclusion, I would like to be as precise as possible. When I have said those who are raised as witnesses it does not mean they are necessarily to be killed; they may die a natural death also while in the path of Allah, fighting a life against an all round enemy shaitan. Allah says "Say not as dead those who are killed or died in the path of Allah; they are living and Allah is feeding them." These are the foremost I said. These people are not the people of prophets' time alone but those who went before them and shall go after them following the path of Allah fighting their lives against shaitan, till the world ends. Therefore the foremost will form into a large chunk of the people and from the Right a small group of people will make to heavens of their due. Hoorul ein are for the foremost. What or Who are these hoorul eins? May Allah teach us and reward us!
Without being a Believer in the first place there is no possibility of submitting. Believers alone can be submitters and hence they are just one and the same group of people.
Peace.
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Peace drfazl
When I have said those who are raised as witnesses it does not mean they are necessarily to be killed; they may die a natural death also while in the path of Allah, fighting a life against an all round enemy shaitan.
Agree
Allah says "Say not as dead those who are killed or died in the path of Allah; they are living and Allah is feeding them." These are the foremost I said.
There is no mentioning of "Or Died" in the verse.
3169 And do not think that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving a bounty.
These people are not the people of prophets' time alone but those who went before them and shall go after them following the path of Allah fighting their lives against shaitan, till the world ends. Therefore the foremost will form into a large chunk of the people and from the Right a small group of people will make to heavens of their due.
drfazl; the ones who are killed in the sake of Allah are not among any of the groups in JD...they are already in Heaven while me and you speaking at this moment...they will not wait for JD as the Foremost and the people of the right do.
Hoorul ein are for the foremost. What or Who are these hoorul eins? May Allah teach us and reward us!
agree; Hoor ul ein is one type of the Heaven's wives; never the less, there is another type for the people of right that is mentioned as will in the chapter.
Without being a Believer in the first place there is no possibility of submitting. Believers alone can be submitters and hence they are just one and the same group of people.
4914 The Nomads said ?We believe.? Say ?You have not believed; but you should say ?We have submitted?, for belief has not yet entered into your hearts.? If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
4915 Believers are those who believe in God and His messenger, then they became without doubt, and they strive with their money and their lives in the cause of God. These are the truthful ones.
4916 Say ?Are you teaching God about your system while God knows everything in the heavens and the Earth? God is knowledgeable of all things.?Allah knows his system when saying that submitting is less than believing.
May God bless and increase your knowledge
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Dear belH,
Peace drfazl
There is no mentioning of "Or Died" in the verse.
3169 And do not think that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving a bounty.
Please read the ayat 3 169 with the ayat 3 157. You will find here that Allah's reward is the same for the people thus martyred.
drfazl; the ones who are killed in the sake of Allah are not among any of the groups in JD...they are already in Heaven while me and you speaking at this moment...they will not wait for JD as the Foremost and the people of the right do.
If you read 7 46 you will find wherefrom I derived my point. They are yet to enter; and are waiting to enter the heavens on the JD.
4914 The Nomads said ?We believe.? Say ?You have not believed; but you should say ?We have submitted?, for belief has not yet entered into your hearts.? If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
4915 Believers are those who believe in God and His messenger, then they became without doubt, and they strive with their money and their lives in the cause of God. These are the truthful ones.
4916 Say ?Are you teaching God about your system while God knows everything in the heavens and the Earth? God is knowledgeable of all things.?
Allah knows his system when saying that submitting is less than believing.The problem here is while Allah says the submitters are not considered at all as having Iman in their hearts, though they might claim to be so. Therefore the meaning goes thus 4914 The Nomads said ?We believe.? Say ?You have not believed; but you should say ?We have rituals?, for belief has not yet entered into your hearts.? If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.
So be not a submitter merely following certain rituals without Iman.
May God bless and increase your knowledge
Please say, "May God increase OUR Knowledge."
Peace
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It sounds like an entirely irrelevant argument. Think about it, do you think an eternal heaven is something any of us would want right now? Our will to live goes up and down depending on how much meaning we can interpret to life (the driving reason being dopamine, the brain chemical via which these particular human perceptions are mediated). Considering that, why should a person's wife make it into heaven? There is a good chance they will be in hell so I don't see why it would be one's wife. Sometimes a cursory look at the most basic facets is all it takes.
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Not one of us shall want to go up and then down! Is it not for a better and meaningful life that we pray for? And will not God admit and allow? Will you not wish your household too lead a life to the fullest satisfaction of God and may they enter the garden with you? So that Allah's promise of recompense holds good even in this world and in the life thereafter? At which point shall you enter the eternal life of no death after your freedom from all physical limitations, the death of this life! If you have a cursory look, it will be ending up in argument; for a cursory look has no view points for discussion and to elevation. The contents of the Book is not meant for casual reading.
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It sounds like an entirely irrelevant argument. Think about it, do you think an eternal heaven is something any of us would want right now? Our will to live goes up and down depending on how much meaning we can interpret to life (the driving reason being dopamine, the brain chemical via which these particular human perceptions are mediated). Considering that, why should a person's wife make it into heaven? There is a good chance they will be in hell so I don't see why it would be one's wife. Sometimes a cursory look at the most basic facets is all it takes.
I can see you don't have a wife or child.
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I can see you don't have a wife or child.
Correct. My immediate assumption is that you're trying to drive a point home by inducing an emotional reaction. If that's your ploy, don't even bother. It won't work.
I do have a rather large family however. I don't see any reason as to why my ultimate fate is related to theirs. But I want to understand it from your POV, why do you feel that your family has to go in with you? In the book it's said that every soul will have a fair recompense. You can only influence another being in the right direction (more like, your percieved right direction) but it's up to them to really choose.
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Peace Amid,
There is no such things as virgins in Paradise. Thats a misreading. A virgin is called 'bikr'(singular) or 'abkar'(plural). But what we have in paradise is pure(motahara). This word was used regarding mentruation. So we can say that the woman in Paradise don't have menstrual cycles. I believe that these woman are believing woman and not de novo creation. Also the boy servants maybe people who died young. Who knows. The dwellers of paradise are the angels and the believers.
Peace,
Rami
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Correct. My immediate assumption is that you're trying to drive a point home by inducing an emotional reaction. If that's your ploy, don't even bother. It won't work.
I do have a rather large family however. I don't see any reason as to why my ultimate fate is related to theirs. But I want to understand it from your POV, why do you feel that your family has to go in with you? In the book it's said that every soul will have a fair recompense. You can only influence another being in the right direction (more like, your percieved right direction) but it's up to them to really choose.
I'm not trying to induce an emotional reaction. I was honestly confused about what the Qur'an said on the topic, but some of the people on this board explained it. It seems that a man will be with wife in paradise, if she deserved paradise. Those who do not have a wife will be given one, that's my understanding. God knows best.
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I believe that these woman are believing woman and not de novo creation. Also the boy servants maybe people who died young. Who knows. The dwellers of paradise are the angels and the believers.
Peace
I think What you said above are in contrary to what in Quran; if you think otherwise, please show your Quranic proof.
Thanks
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I'm not trying to induce an emotional reaction. I was honestly confused about what the Qur'an said on the topic, but some of the people on this board explained it. It seems that a man will be with wife in paradise, if she deserved paradise. Those who do not have a wife will be given one, that's my understanding. God knows best.
Thanks for the clarification.
At the end of the day world, the only thing we'll have to carry ourselves into the splendour of our creator is ourselves. So why bother on arguing about what comes next when it's going to come anyway and we'll find out for sure?
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I think What you said above are in contrary to what in Quran; if you think otherwise, please show your Quranic proof.
Thanks
Gardens of perpetual bliss they shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their fathers, their spouses, and their offspring and angels shall enter unto them from every gate (with the salutation) Peace unto you for that ye persevered in patience! Now how excellent is the final home!) (Ar-Ra`d 1323-24).
( And they who believe and whose seed follow them in faith, We cause their seed to join them (there), and We deprive them of naught of their (life?s) work. Every man is responsible for that which he hath earned) (At-Tur 5221).
( Lo! those who merit Paradise this day are happily employed, they and their wives, in pleasant shade, on thrones reclining) (Ya-Sin 3655-56).
It was posted by IronSky earlier in the thread.
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Thanks for the clarification.
At the end of the day world, the only thing we'll have to carry ourselves into the splendour of our creator is ourselves. So why bother on arguing about what comes next when it's going to come anyway and we'll find out for sure?
I don't understand what you just said. The first sentence I understood, but the second one I'm confused about.
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Gardens of perpetual bliss they shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their fathers, their spouses, and their offspring and angels shall enter unto them from every gate (with the salutation) Peace unto you for that ye persevered in patience! Now how excellent is the final home!) (Ar-Ra`d 1323-24).
( And they who believe and whose seed follow them in faith, We cause their seed to join them (there), and We deprive them of naught of their (life?s) work. Every man is responsible for that which he hath earned) (At-Tur 5221).
( Lo! those who merit Paradise this day are happily employed, they and their wives, in pleasant shade, on thrones reclining) (Ya-Sin 3655-56).
It was posted by IronSky earlier in the thread.
Peace
The above verses does not say that the earth wives will become Hoor Elain (the Hean wives) nor my kids , whom are growing to become man and woman will become "Kulman" (the Heaven Kids)--Kids again. In other words, I do not believe that I will be the child of my father and mother in Heaven (that if God allow me to enter heaven).This is the heaven Kids that I'm talking about
5224 And around them will be children like protected pearls.
And the Heaven wives are Hoor Eleen (I mentioned the verses before)
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The above verses does not say that the earth wives will become Hoor Elain (the Hean wives) nor my kids , whom are growing to become man and woman will become "Kulman" (the Heaven Kids)--Kids again. In other words, I do not believe that I will be the child of my father and mother in Heaven (that if God allow me to enter heaven).This is the heaven Kids that I'm talking about
5224 And around them will be children like protected pearls.
And the Heaven wives are Hoor Eleen (I mentioned the verses before)
PeaceWhat? I never said that the earth wives will become Hoor Elain. The verse clearly says that the righteous fathers, spouses, and offspring will enter heaven. What is it about my post that confuses you?
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What? I never said that the earth wives will become Hoor Elain. The verse clearly says that the righteous fathers, spouses, and offspring will enter heaven. What is it about my post that confuses you?
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If you read the thread from the beginning, you will note why I misunderstood you. Any way, sorry for the misunderstanding.Peace
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Peace,
Does Allah say specifically that hoorul ein are necessarily women? Or does He say they are pure companions? They may be men and men; women and women; men for women; and women for men! What does Allah say? Definitely the meanings are aplenty.
Regards,
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Peace,
When you enter the paradise there is no evil in your hearts; male or female you are made pristine pure; no jinn nor man would ever touch even each other's hearts with an evil for there is no such thing in them.
Next, all of us will be made as equal and equitable in age and splendor. So you would love your spouses much more beautifully than you loved them when you got married to them and entered into relationship with them for the very first time. And there is no aging for you there. This is the never ending status of utmost satisfaction in paradise.
Then finally with regard to 'hoor ul ein'! They are only for those who were raised as witnesses - shahidis and about who Allah wanted us to make clear that we shall not call them the dead for they sacrificed their lives in the path of Allah! Those are the people went way ahead and advanced before us. Their paradise in Jannath - ADNU.
Regards.
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Good to know about this. My Muslim friend thinking of Beautiful Girls in Heaven. There is no place for dirty Mind in heaven. At last I got the answer and I am clear now. We will not be doing the same thing what we used do here. Its of pure status. May Allah Guide us in strait Path. Thanks for Posting