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Say Talaq and Quit their Houses

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    Samia
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    Where does it say this?

    Salaam.

    Say what? That in case of fear of arrogance (nushuuz)they should bring a mediator from her side and one from his side, or where one accuses the other of adultry they should prove/refute it by 4 oaths?

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      Say what? That in case of fear of arrogance (nushuuz)they should bring a mediator from her side and one from his side, or where one accuses the other of adultry they should prove/refute it by 4 oaths?

      Salaams Samia,

      What ayah says you need a mediator to devorce your wife?

      mediator for adultry is not in quistion.

      peace

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        Samia
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        Not for adultry, I did not say that, but for "nushuuz" . For adultry it's 4 oaths. Unless you think after all this they return home and live happily ever after. (sorry I do not have my qur'aan with me )

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          drfazl
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          Salaams Samia,

          What ayah says you need a mediator to devorce your wife?

          4 35

          And if you fear a breach between the two, then appoint judge from his people and a judge from her people; if they both desire agreement, Allah will effect harmony between them, surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.

          Peace,

          .

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            4 35

            And if you fear a breach between the two, then appoint judge from his people and a judge from her people; if they both desire agreement, Allah will effect harmony between them, surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.

            Peace,

            .

            Sorry Br.

            ?AND IF YOU FEAR A BREACH BETWEEN THE TWO? The judge in case of a breach- a series disagreement between the two or if one breaks a rule or law.

            3352
            It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, NOR TO CHANGE THEM FOR (OTHER) WIVES, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens) and Allah doth watch over all things.

            If you want to change a wife- for whatever obscure reason then there isn?t a breach as no one is in disagreement and hasn?t broken any laws.

            peace

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              drfazl
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              Sorry Br.

              ?AND IF YOU FEAR A BREACH BETWEEN THE TWO? The judge in case of a breach- a series disagreement between the two or if one breaks a rule or law.

              What are you sorry about? Speak your translation i.e., the way you had understood 4 35 as against the way I have understood and reveal the discrepancy in such a manner that the way I had understood if practiced will lead to disaster.

              salam,

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                Salaams drfazl,

                651

                O prophet when you divorce women so divorce them at their prescribed periods and count their periods and fear Allah your lord not turn them of their beyootehunna/ marriage tie and nor shall they come out except that they commit indecency clear and those are the limits of Allah snd whosoever transgresses the limits of Allah?????

                The ayah itself is giving us the subject ? ?that is the period for devorce? it?s not about them being evicted from their houses or your houses , you can?t evict them from their houses anyway nor do they need to come out of their houses.

                The subject matter continues-
                652
                Thus when they fulfil their term appointed, either take them back on equitable terms or part with them on equitable terms; and take for witness two persons from among you, endued with justice, and establish the evidence (as) before Allah. Such is the admonition given to him who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And for those who fear Allah, He (ever) prepares a way out,
                653
                Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same) for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

                God Bless.

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                  drfazl
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                  Simple,

                  The way I had translated has not caused injustice to women or men and the application is well within the sphere of Islam, the practice of peace. The way you have given as the meaning to the ayat is silent on that part of 65 1 that speaks of what to do when the separation is over.

                  Salam.

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                    Simple,

                    The way I had translated has not caused injustice to women or men and the application is well within the sphere of Islam, the practice of peace. The way you have given as the meaning to the ayat is silent on that part of 65 1 that speaks of what to do when the separation is over.

                    Salam.

                    Well Br if its not there then its elsewhere!

                    for example;

                    652
                    Thus when they fulfil their term appointed, either take them back on equitable terms or part with them on equitable terms; and take for witness two persons from among you, endued with justice, and establish the evidence (as) before Allah...........

                    Now if AFTER THE TERM they want sepration then your judges come into play; those endued with justice.

                    And

                    4 35

                    And if you fear a breach between the two, then appoint judge from his people and a judge from her people- if they both desire agreement, Allah will effect harmony between them..........

                    peace

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                      drfazl
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                      Simple,

                      What does 65 1 say with regard to what to do when the separation is over. What is the position of man and woman in the house? Who possesses the house? Who is admonished not to leave the house? And who is warned against sending who out of the house?

                      Peace

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                        Simple,

                        What does 65 1 say with regard to what to do when the separation is over. What is the position of man and woman in the house? Who possesses the house? Who is admonished not to leave the house? And who is warned against sending who out of the house?

                        Peace

                        There is no house in 65.1

                        And God doesn't care about your houses but does care about your contracts.

                        I think i will leave you with your house

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