Muslim scholar argues that 653 hadiths in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih are false
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Only 653?!
I really do not care even if he says 3000 hadiths are false, as long as he does not attack those hadiths at the basis of shari3a law, such as inheritence law, divorce, right of children custody.... where verses are mis-interpreted and bias is evident.
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Only 653?!
I really do not care even if he says 3000 hadiths are false, as long as he does not attack those hadiths at the basis of shari3a law, such as inheritence law, divorce, right of children custody.... where verses are mis-interpreted and bias is evident.
Peace
He does attack those hadiths at the basis of the Quran, in fact most if not all who attack hadiths use the quran as reference, but unfortuntely they are usually attacked as being ignornat elektro
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Peace
He does attack those hadiths at the basis of the Quran, in fact most if not all who attack hadiths use the quran as reference, but unfortuntely they are usually attacked as being ignornat elektro
So what's the the ultimate aim to attack hadiths, or to put the message back into prespective? Many, very false hadiths, have the qur'an as reference and that's by misinterpreting verses or givnig words different meanings such as laws regarding inheritance, child custody, divorce or as far as rituals are concerned such as hajj; salaat, zakaat..etc.
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So what's the the ultimate aim to attack hadiths, or to put the message back into prespective? Many, very false hadiths, have the qur'an as reference and that's by misinterpreting verses or givnig words different meanings such as laws regarding inheritance, child custody, divorce or as far as rituals are concerned such as hajj; salaat, zakaat..etc.
I did not accuse anybody of ignorance.I don't understand the term "law" of inheritance or "law" of whatever. What does it mean to say law? Is everthing the Koran tells the prophet and the people of medina to do divine law? If you Samia believe that the Koran did not give us a specific sets of religious rituals we are to follow what makes you believe that the Koran then gives us a specific "law" to govern a community of believers? I have come up with a thread about Hukm in the Koran where I showed how the Koran uses the term hukm very differently from the way we do. Anyways its not the job of the prophecy to create a legal framework for societies to follow and it is impossible for anyone to do so anyways. The Koran doesn't tell us how to secure our borders and run our economies or how to establish ministries etc.
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So what's the the ultimate aim to attack hadiths, or to put the message back into prespective?
They aim at put the message back to presepective.
I did not accuse anybody of ignorance.
I didn't mention you at all, i meant they are always attacked and accused by the religious men in power as being ignornat.
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Only 653?!
I really do not care even if he says 3000 hadiths are false, as long as he does not attack those hadiths at the basis of shari3a law, such as inheritence law, divorce, right of children custody.... where verses are mis-interpreted and bias is evident.
Are those Sharia Laws based on Quran? If not, do they contradict the Quran? In my opinion, Any Law that contradicts Quran, whether hadith,sunnah or other, need to be thrown out.
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Dear jibbo
Bukhari is a jew sent traitor of Islam. Circumcision is a jewish tradition, not followed by christians, the next generation to Musa and the immediate generation to Muhammad. The jew Bukhari brought this custom to muslims through his hadith. Next in his hadith, Bukhari the jew, writes in his hadith that muhammad was manhandled by a jew in the centre of the road by a jew loan giver when muhammad failed to pay back the money as promised. This hadith is to degrade the prophet muhammad. And further tells that muhammad thought it is better to believe and get a loan from a jew rather than believing the muslim sahaabas infested around him. Then the next hadith is when a jew dead body is taken to the burial, muhammad had to stand to honor the dead jew.
Bukhari is none but a jew send traitor to denigrate islam and prophet muhammad. His story always links muhammad with the jews and not with the christians casts doubts that hadith is the plot against islam by jews.
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I have noticed that alot of people in this forum still use hadith. They act like they don't when they are in here, but I have had contact with them outside and they argue that there still are legit ones. FACT - God told use to use nothing BUT the Qu'ran.
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I have noticed that alot of people in this forum still use hadith. They act like they don't when they are in here, but I have had contact with them outside and they argue that there still are legit ones. FACT - God told use to use nothing BUT the Qu'ran.
We can use any source we want. Depends entirely if what your speaking of is when they take non-Quranic information as compulsory.
The term "Quran alone" is a simplified misnomer, unless it is understood properly. It has never meant "only Quran and no other source". If "Quran alone" is understood correctly, then it is obvious Quran itself does not limit knowledge or methodology to itself.
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We can use any source we want. Depends entirely if what your speaking of is when they take non-Quranic information as compulsory.
Whats the point of being on this site/forum then, if you use the hadith for religious practice and worship? After all, thats what this place is for!!
The hadith were notated via chinese whispers 300 - 800 years after the death of Muhammed (pbuh) which would make it highly inaccurate.
Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. (The Qu'ran) I am no more than a profound warner. (ie - the message in the Qu'ran)" 469
So why would Muhammed (pbuh) deliver something so different and contradicting to what God issued him with. One big example is Ablution. It's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CLEAR and simple to understand, yet people differ.
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Whats the point of being on this site/forum then, if you use the hadith for religious practice and worship? After all, thats what this place is for!!
The hadith were notated via chinese whispers 300 - 800 years after the death of Muhammed (pbuh) which would make it highly inaccurate.
Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. (The Qu'ran) I am no more than a profound warner. (ie - the message in the Qu'ran)" 469
So why would Muhammed (pbuh) deliver something so different and contradicting to what God issued him with. One big example is Ablution. It's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CLEAR and simple to understand, yet people differ.
It seems you did not understand what I said, despite my underlining and making bold the word "compulsory".
For example, in the example you gave, it is only a problem if the person said you MUST do the ablution in other than what The Quran says.
Please note the underlined and bold word.
As I said, we can consult any source we want, but when non-Quranic information is taken as compulsory or to over-rule The Quran, then that's a problem.
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It seems you did not understand what I said, despite my underlining and making bold the word "compulsory".
For example, in the example you gave, it is only a problem if the person said you MUST do the ablution in other than what The Quran says.
Please note the underlined and bold word.
As I said, we can consult any source we want, but when non-Quranic information is taken as compulsory or to over-rule The Quran, then that's a problem.
Sorry I wasn't reading it write, was in a hurry at the time. Yes you can, but for religious law and practice, the only source should be Qu'ran.
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Samia what are you talking about ?
I meant that quality, not quantity of hadiths is what they should emphasise. If someone really believes that the prophet affectionately held a weeping tree until it stopped crying, how would this affect the soicety or someone else, or even this person who believes in it? Such hadiths do not bother me. What should bother us are hadiths that are claimed to "abrogate" verses of the qur'aan and are used as source of Islamic law; or hadiths that simply are contrary to the principles of freedom and equality and are also incorporated in civil law and used for fatwas.
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Yeah at first I thought "653" was a lot, but according to what's in those books reeking of poo it really isn't.
All of Bukhari's hadith are false until proven otherwise. As the Quran tells us, we should not accept any information until we verify it for ourselves. Has anyone ever tried to verify Bukhari's books? Or did the muslims just blindly accept them because they got scared by their parents and scholars? It is only God who we should fear, likewise it is his words that we are not to question, and anything that comes out of anything else needs severe scrutiny, especially if you're being told they're from God, but with sufficient knowledge of Quran you will know that all of God's words are in the Quran, anyway.
It has been proven literally hundreds of hadiths from Bukhari are against the teachings in the Quran.
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Most of the things in hadhis are false...My most I mean about 85-90%
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I don't understand the term "law" of inheritance or "law" of whatever. What does it mean to say law? Is everthing the Koran tells the prophet and the people of medina to do divine law? If you Samia believe that the Koran did not give us a specific sets of religious rituals we are to follow what makes you believe that the Koran then gives us a specific "law" to govern a community of believers? I have come up with a thread about Hukm in the Koran where I showed how the Koran uses the term hukm very differently from the way we do. Anyways its not the job of the prophecy to create a legal framework for societies to follow and it is impossible for anyone to do so anyways. The Koran doesn't tell us how to secure our borders and run our economies or how to establish ministries etc.
I gave examples of what areas of law are corrupted by hadith, especifically the family code. This is detailed in the qur'aan. Just look at the commandments in the qur'aan to write a will and how this has been abrogated by a hadith and rendered void. I did not talk about establishing ministries or securing boarders, and was not even on mind. Please read carefully.
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how interesting if more traditionalist became aware of "scholarly" opinion of the falsehood of hadith i think it'll make them wonder.
yeah! bravo
