lashing in The Quran - women
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peace all,
I was thinking, let's say under a Quranic system a woman was found guilty of adultery/fornication, and the sentence was public lashing. From my studies, it does suggest public. Well, what I was thinking was if this were to be done, what clothing would the woman wear? For example, i would assume her back would be covered up (or perhaps not?), then the lashes would have to be light as not to tear the clothes I would think.
Thus, is this evidence for supporting the case that the lashes are more of a public naming and shaming / deterrent, than primarily a physical punishment?
Thoughts?
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Thus, is this evidence for supporting the case that the lashes are more of a public naming and shaming / deterrent, than primarily a physical punishment?
I've heard people say that also, it was symbolic and the lashes aren't "real" lashes but I find a hard time finding proof of that. Rashad Khalifa claimed this also so if you search you can find why he claimed that it's somewhere on submission.org just can't remember exactly..
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A good question if this was really what the verse meant.
The question I had regarding this verse was what if someone refused to "watch"? Would they be disobedient to the God's command?
But, is it "to watch"?Maybe the witnessing is not for their lashing, but passing the sentence. What people may inflict is "3iqaab" and the 3aathaab is exclusive to God. The meaning is that the sentence should be passed by a panel of judges, not one judge. Any opinion?
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peace,
Would they be disobedient to the God's command?
I would say no, because there is no explicit command that all must watch, only some. Interestingly, in this verse the wording of AQ is recognising some will be reluctant to follow through with this, so perhaps that is why it says let some watch.
I have not cross referenced "watch".
Maybe the witnessing is not for their lashing, but passing the sentence. What people may inflict is "3iqaab" and the 3aathaab is exclusive to God. The meaning is that the sentence should be passed by a panel of judges, not one judge. Any opinion?
Can you clarify the theoretical possibilities based on grammar, so I can understand the above better, or clarify the above.
Also, if you are implying a different translation, please post it.
not my trans.
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
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peace,
Can you clarify the theoretical possibilities based on grammar, so I can understand the above better, or clarify the above.
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
Not based on grammar but on quraanic usage of the word.
In the quraan, the word 'athaab is always linked to God's retribution. It does not mean "punishment" because there's another word used for that 'iqaab. The only person who threatened to "torture " is Solomon to the hoopoe 2721
Also, the verb shahida means to testify; witness (but not the English understanding which could mean to see). It's indirectly linked to (to see) when the person is testifying or has to verify. -
4.15. If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
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If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
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Allah accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy For Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
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Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, "Now have I repented indeed;" nor of those who die rejecting Faith for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous.
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peace Samia,
Not based on grammar but on quraanic usage of the word.
In the quraan, the word 'athaab is always linked to God's retribution.I disagree, e.g. see 665, 1334, 146, 147 as examples. In any case, the verse clearly states it is from God.
It does not mean "punishment" because there's another word used for that 'iqaab.
I do not agree with the theory or reasoning of only one meaning per word in AQ. This thinking of mine is as a result of reviewing hundreds of roots in detail for Project Root List.
I still do not understand what you are implying. In any case, how does your view fit with "half the 'athaab" in 425?
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peace Samia,
I disagree, e.g. see 665, 1334, 146, 147 as examples. In any case, the verse clearly states it is from God.
I do not agree with the theory or reasoning of only one meaning per word in AQ. This thinking of mine is as a result of reviewing hundreds of roots in detail for Project Root List.
I still do not understand what you are implying. In any case, how does your view fit with "half the 'athaab" in 425?
Wakas, can I ask you a question? Why do you quote the verses number but not the verse itself?
