Draft Article for newsletter
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Peace Necray
Thanks for the response.
Just curious, what topics are you including in this series of articles?
The series will be entitled HOW DO WE BUILD A SOCIETY BASED ON QURANIC PRINCIPLES?
. It will be a step by step process in trying to achieve this. Initially it will be general, moving towards specifics.It is part of a newsletter a group of us are starting in South Africa. The group was started in order to investigate how this kind of society can be started in stages. We hope to have a website soon that we can direct people towards, but we are in our infancy.
If anyone has ideas on this issue, please feel free to respond or pm me.
Imraan
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peace 1CELOSTNOWFOUND, all,
I find it a bit unusual that the first topics you bring up around the subject of building a society based on Quranic principles, is defining terms such as "deen", "islam" and thus "muslim". I'm not saying it's wrong or right, just unusual to me.
For example, a society based on Quranic principles can include non-believers, and this is exampled in AQ quite clearly. Thus, to these people, your definitions of "deen", "islam" and "muslim" may not be necessary.
As a side note, from my understanding so far
deen = core connotation is "that which is due", hence obligation, indebtedness, requital
islam = derived from "aslama" meaning "to give over" (e.g. oneself), hence surrender/compliance/submission/conformance, i.e. the state everything in the universe is in.
muslims = one who gives over / submits -
Isn't it derived from "salam"? ???
Peace
Islam means Submitting and not Peace. Therefore, a moslem is a person who submits to Allah by obying His Final Divine Laws (i.e., Quran), and not man made laws (e,g., Hadiths).
For example
2131 When his Lord said to him ?Submit,? he said ?I submit to the Lord of the worlds.?
2131Salam
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Peace
Islam means Submitting and not Peace. Therefore, a moslem is a person who submits to Allah by obying His Final Divine Laws (i.e., Quran), and not man made laws (e,g., Hadiths).
For example
2131 When his Lord said to him ?Submit,? he said ?I submit to the Lord of the worlds.?
2131Salam
2122
O Children of Israel! call to mind the special favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others (for My Message).Here "AAalameena" becomes "all others" . So what's all others, arn't they human beings rather then the worlds?
Interesting!
peace
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2122
O Children of Israel! call to mind the special favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others (for My Message).Here "AAalameena" becomes "all others" . So what's all others, arn't they human beings rather then the worlds?
Interesting!
peace
Peace
"Aalameen" means "every thing in the universe", including humans. Therefore, in 2-122 it could be translated as "I favored you over the universe creatures"; and in 2-131, it could be translated as "The Lord of the universe".
But for the Arabic readers, the meaning can be easily understood.May God Bless
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Peace
"Aalameen" means "every thing in the universe", including humans. Therefore, in 2-122 it could be translated as "I favored you over the universe creatures"; and in 2-131, it could be translated as "The Lord of the universe".
But for the Arabic readers, the meaning can be easily understood.http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596520.msg51053#msg51053
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Peace Wakas & all
THank you for the feedback.
I find it a bit unusual that the first topics you bring up around the subject of building a society based on Quranic principles, is defining terms such as "deen", "islam" and thus "muslim". I'm not saying it's wrong or right, just unusual to me.
For example, a society based on Quranic principles can include non-believers, and this is exampled in AQ quite clearly. Thus, to these people, your definitions of "deen", "islam" and "muslim" may not be necessary.
While I agree that to non-believers these definitions may not be necessary, the intended audience of this article is Sunni Muslims. It will appear in a small newsletter we are starting. This is the reason for my approach.
As a side note, from my understanding so far
deen = core connotation is "that which is due", hence obligation, indebtedness, requital
islam = derived from "aslama" meaning "to give over" (e.g. oneself), hence surrender/compliance/submission/conformance, i.e. the state everything in the universe is in.
muslims = one who gives over / submitsI agree with your understanding of deen. It is not different from the view I hold. I understand "accountability" to be similar in meaning to obligation, indebtedness & requital.
As for Islam, in my understanding, it is in the first instance derived from the tri-lateral root meaning "he was safe, secure or free". Aslama is the fourth form of this verb & is almost always causative. Hence "aslama" would mean "he caused safety, security or freedom". "Islam" is the infinitive of "aslama", meaning "to be the cause of safety, security or freedom".
While I am trying to study arabic in order to gain a better understanding of AQ, I am not fluent in it & my understanding of the grammar has a long way to go, so I would appreciate any further input anyone has on my article.
Imraan
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peace,
I guess if the intended audience is Sunni Muslims, then it makes more sense. Might want to hit them with 1311 (God is not to change what is in a community/nation until they change what is within themselves) sooner or later
Re aslama
Is it other than God's deen that they desire, and to Him caused safety/security/freedom whom is in the heavens and the Earth, voluntarily or by force? And to Him they will be returned.
Does that make sense to you?
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As for Islam, in my understanding, it is in the first instance derived from the tri-lateral root meaning "he was safe, secure or free". Aslama is the fourth form of this verb & is almost always causative. Hence "aslama" would mean "he caused safety, security or freedom". "Islam" is the infinitive of "aslama", meaning "to be the cause of safety, security or freedom".
This is how I understand it too the root verb salima means be safe; aslama is the form IV which means "to make others safe; not to harm". The nearest translation for in my opinion is "muslim" is "peaceful".
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Peace sister Samia,
This is how I understand it too the root verb salima means be safe; aslama is the form IV which means "to make others safe; not to harm". The nearest translation for in my opinion is "muslim" is "peaceful".
The nearest translation of "muslim" is "peacemaker".
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace sister Samia,
The nearest translation of "muslim" is "peacemaker".
Peace,
Ayman
I understand "muslim" as someone who does not harm others, but not necessrily someone who will take an active step to make them safe he/she will not kill, but will not make an effort to protect or save. This will be the "mu'min" difference between "salaam" and "amaan".
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Submission be upon you all
I just like to share my understanding of Islam/Muslim and Amaanu/Mumin with the members and visitors to freeminds *
TO ME ISLAM MEANS "PEACE" AS WELL AS SUBMISSION * SO TO ME "MUSLIM" MEANS PEACE LOVING PERSON OR PEACE_MAKER AS BRO AYMAN PUT IT * WHAT LEADS ME TO THIS CONCLUSION < is the many call from the QURAN TOWARDS THE AMAANU( MUMIN) * IF ISLAM IS > PEACE AND "AMAAN" IS SECURE ( SECURITY ) THEN SURELY " DEEN AL ISLAM " IS A SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT WHERE PEACE AND SECURITY OF THE PEOPLE ( EVERYONE ) INCLUDING PROTECTION OF ALL THE CREATURES AND THE ENVIRONMENT >
I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNANCE OF MOST OF THE ADVANCED WESTERN COUNTRIES ARE MORE ISLAMIC ( CLOSER TO QURAN ) THAN MOST ALL OF THE SO CALLED MUSLIM COUNTRIES * OF COURSE NONE OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM IS PERFECT *AS AN ASIDE< I WAS ONCE OBSESSED WITH QURAN CONCORDANCE AND LEXICON TO UNDERSTAND THE QURAN AND THROUGH THEM ISLAM * HOWEVER< I NOW AM SURE THAT ONE CAN UNDERSTAND THE QURAN JUST AS WELL THROUGH LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE AND WITHOUT SLAVISHLY HANGING ON TO EVERY DICTATE OF THE LEXICON AND ROOT LISTS>* I NOW THINK INDEPENDENTLY AND LET "THE ONE WHO GUIDES" GUIDE ME TO THE TRUTH REGARDLESS FROM WAHT BOOK I READ AND TOOL AND METHOD USED*
PEACE TO YOU ALL
PS MY APOLOGIES FOR THE USE OF CAPS < MY KEYBOARD IS MALFUNCTIONING
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Peace sister,
I understand "muslim" as someone who does not harm others, but not necessrily someone who will take an active step to make them safe he/she will not kill, but will not make an effort to protect or save. This will be the "mu'min" difference between "salaam" and "amaan".
The forms
follow the same pattern as for example
Clearly the musli7 is taking active steps to fix things so this would indicate that muslim is also taking active steps to make peace, i.e., a peacemaker. This is also confirmed by 2278 which provides the description of "al-muslimin" in the context of "striving for the god his true striving".
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Wakas,
My apologies for not responding sooner. I have been extremely busy. I appreciate you input.
You wrote
Re aslama
Is it other than God's deen that they desire, and to Him caused safety/security/freedom whom is in the heavens and the Earth, voluntarily or by force? And to Him they will be returned.
Does that make sense to you?
It is an interesting point. I have started some research into answering your question. I will post as soon as I am satisfied with my conclusions.
Imraan
