Quranic Divinity Subject & Personal Notes
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Just a note to share on the Myth of Quranic Divinity
My views of Quran being "divine" is that Muhammad might not have been illiterate and that he was the one who revealed Quran to guide people back to the Religion of Abraham, which is Monotheism. Of course, Muhammad was a political man and might have drawn upon traditions of Judaism very heavily and recorded Christian traditions of the early church saints, who were viewed by the Universal Church as "heretical". This is not to say that God wasn't an "inspiration" behind Muhammad's System of Religion. God was a bigger reality behind the faith as restored by the Prophet. Islam is more of social movement of God-Alone way of life with religious belief in God and the Infancy int he formation of the Muslim Community as a motivator, NOT the revelator of what is today known as Islam. Today's Islam is just as distorted as the Pagan traditions Muhammad tried to stop from oppressing his own people. So, is Quran "divine?" I would strongly say "No". Yet the Quran has produced a Pan-National movement, which would bring about advances in medicine, science, history, art, poetry/writings, and theology unlike anything ever known in the history of humankind. Rather than people looking at God-Aloner Islam as another group of Muslims, there is a mistake in saying Islam altogether is "evil" or as some Christian friends say about Islam being a "false religion" or the "greatest betrayal of a religious lie. It is the man-made traditions associated with True Islam in the System of God-Alone, which have given the social movement and religio-politically united faith-culture known as Islam through the ages a negative tone. Just some thoughts to throw into this chat-room. Be blessed by God and cherish the gifts people have been led to inspire in helping to benefit society, ancient and modern cultures alike. Peace be with you all.
God-Alone Forever,
Roger Joseph Perry -
Hello Everyone
Thank you for affirming my belief. I really feel wlecome here on the Free-Minds Forum. Quran is NOT a "forgery", yet it is not "divinely inspired" either. What Quran is, in my view, would be a human work, penned by the Muhammad as a religious socio-political document to unify a "newer" community of people with a belief in God as a motivator and NOT a instigator as well as a community with common laws, democratic government, a unified purpose of living, and a mythistorical history of great people, who taught the belief in Pure Monotheism. I don't believe in God being the same one as the Christians and Jews, because the Christians and Jews have added as well as taken away some positive beliefs about the Personal Being of God as being One. Christians say God has a son. Jews rely too much on their disproving of some of the Messengers, who came in God's name to teach people a better way of life-choices, based on a unity of belief, society, mythistorical legends, and same political ideals. I am unsure of what to believe about life after death, but I rely on Quran alone for an answer to that issue, for I don't know what is on the other side of death, other than what Quran mentions about such a touchy topic of interest. Again, thank you for affirming that it is healthy to have these beliefs as God-Aloner in the Free-Minds Group Forum. Be blessed!
~Roger J. Perry~ -
Peace,
Okay... So, if you don't believe the Qur'aan was "divinely inspired", what is your take on the Torah? What about the claim in the Qur'aan that it is divinely inspired? And, if you believe the Qur'aan is a human work, not divinely inspired, then why do you rely on the "Qur'aan alone" for spiritual guidance and information regarding life and death?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Hello Ahmed
Alright...I can understand your views somewhat and respect them. In my Muslim faith, I am not very religious, yet I am deeply Humanist with Muslim spirituality. I don't necessarily disbelieve in the Quran being a book of guidance and truth. For myself, Quran is a book cultural wisdom and human-focused philosophy using the belief in God to bring about social changes in all times. The Torah is a book of cultural wisdom for the Hebrew People, just as the New Testament is a book of cultural wisdom for Christians. As for my belief in Jesus...He was a social reformer in his day among his people. In my personal viewpoint is tomb and physical remains are in Jerusalem somewhere. The Talpiot suburb of Jerusalem in Israel where a family tomb was discovered might have been the burial place of the Prophet Jesus and his immediate family, yet there is no concrete evidence to prove or disprove that discovery at all. Allah (or God) gave a human reason to discern between human truth and spiritual error. I understand that Free-Minds Forum is a very religious Muslim place of discussion. From another forum, which is Interfaith as well. So, I practice a form Humanistic and Cultural Islam while being open-minded toward an Interfaith way of life. This is why I wrote what I did and why I believe such, even if it goes against time-honored Muslim tradition. Hopefully, this clears up any misunderstanding and doesn't lead to any hard feelings. You may dislike me, judge me, tolerate me, or be shocked by my statement of me being a Humanistic/Cultural Muslim. That is between you and Allah to work out. Be blessed and Peace be with you, Ahmed.
Yours,
"Paul" -
Hi Everyone
I really do believe in God as Spiritual Energy within all people's hearts but not as a Person, yet I am a Cultural Muslim, who is very far from being an ideal one. Now, I do believe in Quran as not being divinely "inspired", because of my past involvement with being a Muslim since my earlier 20's. I am 25 yrs old now and have found some peace in God to comfort me in my journey of self-realization. I am writing a manuscript for a Humanistic Muslim's diary (my personal reflections & experiences with Islam and Religious Humanism, which I have titled the manuscript "Journeyman of Faith". It describes a personal take on what Islam is in relation to my own personal journey, the spiritual issues I face personally and through life-experiences.
Not sure what publisher will want to publish my manuscript after I have completed writing, typed it up, and after I have it proof-read. Perhaps through the "Free-Republic" website, I can have such published online and have it as a pdf file or have it published by Non-Sectarian Interfaith publisher. This will be a writing project I will enjoy composing entries in my notebook for all issues facing Islam, Liberal and Traditional Muslims alike. Well, I just wanted to reply to the message thread I began yesterday. Peace be with you all!
In Allah,
"Paul" -
Salam
I guess there has been a lot of posts in other areas of the forum. It has been a while since I posted. Nearly 2 months to be precise. Have been working on conforming my mind and soul to model my life after the Quran. I still believe that Muhammad wasn't illeterate and that he wrote the Quran as a spiritual way to unite the world under a righteous and positive code of conduct. Do believe in Allah, although I believe that He isn't overly involved in human affairs as most other Muslims believe.
In regard to Jesus, Son of Mary He was a human prophet and the Gospels in what we today call the Bible verify, although in a slight misleading way that Jesus, Son of Mary was fully human and not Allah in the flesh. The word "Lord" when referring to Jesus means "Master" and is not a reference to Jesus being Allah. It is naturally impossible for God to be incarnated in a human person like that. Jesus' miracles might have been a popular mythology, since the Quran is mostly based on Christian legends, Extrabiblical Jewish texts, Judeo-Christian Apocryphal writings, and Arabic Historical Legends.
The Quran makes a great cultural and historical contribution, yet I doubt and deeply question its "divine origin". Muhammad might have had some auditory, tactile, visionary hullicinations for all we know! Not to mispeak or talk negative about our valued Prophet. Being a man who is knowledgeable about some mental health and one who is a recipient of mental health services as well as a comparative religion buff, who is a severely "marginal" Muslim for nearly 4 1/2 years, I do have to question the "divine origins" knowing the historical and spiritual evidence.
Being a young man who wants to enter into college for Criminal Justice program regimen, I have to look at the psychological stuff and examine the evidence, then draw up some theories. Everyone has their own side of the story and a true "religion detective" as I refer to myself as, has examine the evidence and figure out what did or may have happened within the origin or development of a religion to make it what it is today.
Religion does draw people together, yes, but the origins of the world's religions are unknown or in obscurity within how they began or originated. That is why I have devoted my lifelong hobby and search for what truth I can find in Islam and how other religions came to be what they are today in our 21st Century. I really take great joy in studying Islam and being an amateur "religion detective", who is a Muslim. This I take with a deepened and greatest passionate way of doing what I love to do the most explore Islam and study Comparative Religion with a deep lifelong passion.
Hopefully, this doesn't offend anyone on the forum, but given the evidence to examine, I hereby rest my case after seeing the evidence and sorting through some of the history of Islam and Natural Science on what is humanly possible and what goes against the Natural Laws of the Universe. Well, I have to go now. My mother will be calling me to let me know that she is stopping by to take me to a cook-out with family and friends to celebrate Memorial Day. That will be nice too...Spending time with family and friends at a social get-together.
A Truth-Seeker,
Brother Perry -
salaam muhammad2cool4u,
regarding your opinions on prophet muhammad, please consider to ponder/contemplate on surah 68. a sample translation is available here http//free-minds.org/quran/PM/68
may God guide us on the correct/honorable path, insha-Allah.
peace
mohammed noh