caliph umar converts dumping ground into a "holy" site
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I have a picture of jerusalem taken off a book. It shows jerusalem circa 1910-1920.It is quite an interesting picture that would allow some very interesting discussions.How do I insert it?
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rajah-I have a picture of jerusalem taken off a book. It shows jerusalem circa 1910-1920.It is quite an interesting picture that would allow some very interesting discussions.How do I insert it?
I guess u first need to upload it somewhere. I am not aware of another possibility.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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I have a picture of jerusalem taken off a book. It shows jerusalem circa 1910-1920.It is quite an interesting picture that would allow some very interesting discussions.How do I insert it?
upload to http//tinypic.com/
then use for url of picture
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rajah-
Were u by any chance talking about some picture of the western wall?
It is the qibla of the jews, who are supposed to face jerusalem & the temple while praying.I think they call this direction the mizrach. The devout jews prostrate & kneel, read their books, supplicate, move to and fro, & touch & kiss the wall. Apparently, a lot of lamentation goes on there, & for that reason is also called the wailing wall.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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thegod-
I am hoping people will realise something esp,those who has never seen jewish ladies wearing clothes so similar to what modern day sunni/shiite ladies are wearing. This could be seen as an attempt to make people realise that the 'religion' called 'islam' is actually judaism that uses the arabic language instead of hebrew. Hopefully more and more historic documents in pictures will be posted here......jewish ladies have thrown away their headgear only to be picked up the 'muslim' ladies to continue this practice...I could be wrong....
cheers...
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Peace all
Why do we have to get lost when God gave us the light. God says that the Children of Israel are the ONES who Know the Place of THE MASJED. No one can deny the Fact that the Israelis are fixated to take over one place for the past three thousand years until TODAY. Is this Place is Macca or Jerusalem?174 And We decreed to the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that you will make corruption twice on Earth, and that you will become very high and mighty.
175 So, when the promise of the first one comes to pass, We would send against you servants of Ours who are very powerful, thus they managed to breach your very homes, and this was a promise which has come to pass.
176 Then We gave back to you your independence from them, and We supplied you with wealth and children, and We made you more influential.
177 If you do good, then it will be good for you, and if you do bad, then so be it. But when the promise of the second time comes, they will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter the Temple as they did the first time, and they will strike down all that was raised up.
178 Perhaps your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you revert then so will We. And We made Hell a gathering place for the rejecters.
179 This Qur?an guides to that which is more upright, and it gives glad tidings to the believers who do good work that they will have a bountiful reward.Truly the Quran GUIDES TO THAT WHICH IS MORE UPRIGHT. And the True believers know that and not the WICKED ONES. !
To thegod, stop associating lies to God; unless you associate the Truth from the Quran, Bible, and Torah to God, you are committing SHIRK.
May God Guide you to the Truth.
Peace -
belh-Why do we have to get lost when God gave us the light. God says that the Children of Israel are the ONES who Know the Place of THE MASJED. No one can deny the Fact that the Israelis are fixated to take over one place for the past three thousand years until TODAY. Is this Place is Macca or Jerusalem?
After lying about the unidentified tombs in the killer's shrine, u have come up with this.
According to the quraan (& ur holy book, bible) the chidlren of israel were repeatedly given to disbelief, calf-worshippers. Are u one of them? -)
To thegod, stop associating lies to God; unless you associate the Truth from the Quran, Bible, and Torah to God, you are committing SHIRK.
Not even an effort at making sense; I like that. Keep aside ur emotions, & bring some facts. The history of the dumping rock is well accepted. & I like ur emotional attachment to ur holy book.
Why are u so attached to the den of shalim? -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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Bible is pretty specific
1 Corinthians
115 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
116 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-To you is well accepted, but to believers is not.
Why don't u provide some documents?
All the classic symptoms -- no evidence, all empty talks. Refer to ur holy book (exodus, 329) for an explanation of the symptoms u are displaying. -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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More bad news for grave-worshippers. The site of temple mount served as a graveyard for pigs & foxes. At least, their bones.
Lamentations, literally -- Bones of pigs & foxes found on site of temple mount
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598114.0
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-The Facts are in Quran, Injeel and Torah.
- The unwavering loyalty u display for the books of jews & christians impresses me. But all v have in support of jerusalem's holiness is the misplaced emotion of her faithfuls. But emotional attachment carries no value as evidence. Does it? -)
On the other hand, its history points to destruction & ruin. Would any sane person take a place which gives testimony to utter destruction, a dumping ground -- littered with bones of foxes & pigs & who knows who all, to be blessed? -)
Most importantly the book of the muslims talks about the ill-fate of the temple, but offers no hope to her lovers. Unless her lovers be scavengers, what can v justify their emotions with? Empty words & sad verbosity? Inventing lies in the name of quraan? I reckon reason enough for a muslim to not share the zeal of others. -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-To you is well accepted, but to believers is not.
Why don't u provide some documents?
All the classic symptoms -- no evidence, all empty talks. Refer to ur holy book (exodus, 329) for an explanation of the symptoms u are displaying. -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
You sound ridicules; this is not about a boy fight, this is about God's religion; The Torah, Bible and Quran Confirm Jerusalem to be the place for pilgrim; I advice you to visit the two places, Macca and Jerusalem to witness with your eyes about the traces of the prophets, especially Abraham.
Here are some evidance from quran about the HOLY LAND
520 And Moses said to his people ?My people, remember God?s favor upon you that he made amongst you prophets, and made you kings, and he gave you what He had not given any from the worlds.?
521 ?O my people, enter the holy land that God Has decreed for you, and do not turn your backs, or you will become losers.?Here is God Opinion about people who reject the Truth
541 O messenger, do not be saddened by those who increase in disbelief from among those who said ?We believe? with their mouths while their hearts did not believe. And from among the Jews, there are those who listened to lies; they listened to people who never came to you; they distort the words from their context, and they say ?If you are given this, then take it, but if you are given anything different, then beware!? And whoever God wants to test, then you will not possess anything for him against God. These are the ones whose hearts God did not want to cleanse; in this world they will have humiliation, and in the Hereafter they will have a great retribution.
542 They listen to lies, and consume money illicitly. If they come to you, then you may judge between them or turn away from them; and if you turn away from them then they cannot harm you in the least; and if you judge then judge between them with justice. God loves those who are just.Here are what God's opinion about Injeel and Torah that more appealing to the believers than youes
544 We have sent down the Torah, in it is guidance and a light; the prophets who have submitted judged with it for those who are Jews, as well as the Rabbis, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of God?s Scripture, and they were witness over. So do not fear the people but fear Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus the son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Injeel, in it is guidance and light, and to authenticate what is present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and lesson for the righteous.
547 And let the people of the Injeel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the vile ones.If you wish to disbelieve with the Quran it is your choice, but please do not ask us to do so.
Have your Deen and I have mine.yes
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More bad news for grave-worshippers. The site of temple mount served as a graveyard for pigs & foxes. At least, their bones.
Lamentations, literally -- Bones of pigs & foxes found on site of temple mount
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598114.0
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
It demonstrates class to call people who disagree with your opinion 'grave-worshippers'. I would say, so what to your article.
Who knows what they would find in Mecca if it was open to investigation?
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m_mehdi-I always thought we should convert holy sites into dumping grounds...
- The "holy site" was a dumping ground before it became "holy".
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
So, is your sequence of events (with regards to the 'temple mount' alledged location in Jerusalem)
nothing ---> rubbish dump --> place of veneration for Jews and Muslims?
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For some reason the jews & christians find jerusalem holy.
And for some reason, the sunnis & shiites find jerusalem "holy". But what is this reason?
The answer seems to lie in 171. Almost all popular sunni & shiite interpretations tell us that al-masjid al-aqsa is a location at jerusalem. A good reason to hold jerusalem "dearest of all to their hearts". Of course, nothing in the quraan even remotely suggests this.
A strawman argument. This is a Muslim forum, not a Sunni/Shia forum. I am sure most here believe 396-7 to be the important verse. I am happy to listen to your arguments, but they seem to consist of
- Insulting others
- Disproving Jerusalem through it's historical claim, but demonstrating no evidence for Mecca being the place of pilgrimage.
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belh-You sound ridicules; this is not about a boy fight, this is about God's religion; The Torah, Bible and Quran Confirm Jerusalem to be the place for pilgrim; I advice you to visit the two places, Macca and Jerusalem to witness with your eyes about the traces of the prophets, especially Abraham.
Here are some evidance from quran about the HOLY LAND
- I remarked previously that ur words were proving u to be a sad liar. & u are doing nothing to change this perception. I have repeatedly asked u to show me "jerusalem" in the quraan, & u have failed to do so.
As for the holy land, there is nothing holy about the history of jerusalem; whether or not anybody likes it.
Named after pagan deity http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598114.0
Graveyard of pigs & bones http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598018.0
-If you wish to disbelieve with the Quran it is your choice, but please do not ask us to do so.
Have your Deen and I have mine.By this time it is pretty clear which book ur allegiance lies with. Attempt at rhetoric doesnt help u.
Why don't u show the narration of abraham & ishmael building the bayt in ur holy books (the testaments). Surely, such an important event would merit a mention.
I have nothing to do with those who worship at graves, be they garves of humans, or of foxes & pigs. -)
Again, keep aside ur emotional attachment & bring evidence. If u consult the quraan rather than ur holy books, the ill-fate of the temple is clear (177).
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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roshan-It demonstrates class to call people who disagree with your opinion 'grave-worshippers'. I would say, so what to your article.
- Don't let prejudice flavor ur outlook. Take a look at his insinuations. Further, it is his belief that the bayt of God is over some unidentified tombs. If u want to worship at tombs, go ahead by all means.
-So, is your sequence of events (with regards to the 'temple mount' alledged location in Jerusalem)
nothing ---> rubbish dump --> place of veneration for Jews and Muslims?
Read properly.
-A strawman argument. This is a Muslim forum, not a Sunni/Shia forum. I am sure most here believe 396-7 to be the important verse. I am happy to listen to your arguments, but they seem to consist of
- Insulting others
- Disproving Jerusalem through it's historical claim, but demonstrating no evidence for Mecca being the place of pilgrimage.
While u do claim to be open to my posts, ur biased outburst tells otherwise.
As for insulting others, if u find the history of jerusalem insulting then why do u cling to it? It is a fact that it was named after a pagan deity. The destruction of the temple of jerusalem is a fact. & it is a fact that it has been found to be littered with the bones of pigs & foxes. If u don't like facts, it's okay; but don't label listing facts as insulting others.
That is the precise scenario, v know the history of jerusalem & u cannot fit muhammad there, no matter how hard u try. If u want, u can take a try at locating jerusalem in the quraan.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'alaameen