Surah-like-it challenge has been met..?

Satan_Hates_Me

No, because Billy Bob would have brought the truth, which IS the God's reading, not "like" the God's reading.

So according ro your understanding, what in existence is truth is from GOD. So if the Satan says something truth, it is from GOD? Anything that is truth is from GOD according to you? Now i dont disagree with that. But 'the chanllenge' mention nothing about that. For example

Where is this reading isolated? The God says he has given all messengers the same message. All messengers get the truth. What other scriptures are you talking about?

GOd mention many by name, isolating each from the other.(4163, 546, 33). Now i know you will use the 'symbolic' root word argument however, please remember that these names existed before the Koran. That mean GOD was making refernce to particular books.

I am not sire which verse you are referring to, but even still, the word "quran" only means reading, and in the context of the message we are dealing withthe God's reading, which is determined by no contradictions. I would say that is good advice to use only Truth as a judge, not falsehood.

but it does matter how you translate the word 'quran', GOD clearly label it a tangible book and scripture (6114). This is why it is hard to debate with someone who believe everything is 'symbolic'. There is no structure in it and they are never on solid ground. You tell them its a book, they debate on the symbolic meaning of book. You tell them its a scripture, they tell you the symbolic mean of 'scripture'. It is a pointless debate that continues in a dusty cycle.

unknownuser

Satan Hates Me!!!

How sure you are that Satan hates you, cant be other way around ?
THINK, THINK TWICE!!!!!!!

And who is more wicked than one who is reminded of his Lord's verses but he turned away from them, and he forgot what his hands had done. We have made veils upon their hearts from understanding them, and a deafness in their ears. And if you invite them to the guidance, they will never be guided. 1857

rsw

Peace upon you all.

Old topic, yes, but... I noticed that nobody pointed out that the challenge has not been met for the most obvious reason which does not discredit their books.

'And if you are in doubt as to which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call on your helper, besides Allah, if you are truthful.' (Sura 223)."

The first part of the challenge is "produce another surah like it," true;
But the second part is "call upon other than God as your helper."

If the sikhs and bahais consider their their book divinely inspired as you claim, this challenge has not been met. If they say God helped them with the production of their surah then they lose eligability to the 'produce a surah like it' challenge. Also, it is my personal belief that the challenge does not include scientific facts, mathematical structure, or coherence, but is specifically about the language. The 7th century arabs who recieved the message couldn't have possibly known about all of the scientific facts or mathematical structure in it, and the challenge to "produce a book like it" was followed by "produce a surah like it" then "produce a verse like it," producing one single verse could mean only one simple statement, which can't be contradictory with any other statement if no other statements are made.

That said, "what sayings will you take after this?" still applies; but God knows best about the scriptures of their faiths.

Bosnian_Thinker

Greetings all,
a friend of mine has the following theory

Any thoughts?

thanks

Hello Tariq and nice to meet you.

In the Quran, God poses a challenge to those who do not believe in the Quran. The challenge is to produce a sura like it. God says in the Quran that whoever takes on this challenge will not suceed. Indeed that is true, and the challenge has never been met and challenge never will be met. There are two major reasons for this

The Quran is true, and every sura in the Quran is true. Therefore, in order to complete the challenge, one would have to write a sura, a chapter that would be true while at the same time not agreeing with the Quran. This is obviously not possible. If one writes a chapter that disagrees with the Quran, then they have not completed the challenge because the chapter is not true. This alone proves that no one can complete the challenge.
The second part of the challenge says that along with producing a chapter that is like the Quran, one who is in doubt must also call upon their helpers. However, those helpers do not exist. Therefore, one who is in doubt cannot call upon their helpers because they don't exist.

It is a very simple topic.

afridi220

Hello Tariq and nice to meet you.

In the Quran, God poses a challenge to those who do not believe in the Quran. The challenge is to produce a sura like it. God says in the Quran that whoever takes on this challenge will not suceed. Indeed that is true, and the challenge has never been met and challenge never will be met. There are two major reasons for this

The Quran is true, and every sura in the Quran is true. Therefore, in order to complete the challenge, one would have to write a sura, a chapter that would be true while at the same time not agreeing with the Quran. This is obviously not possible. If one writes a chapter that disagrees with the Quran, then they have not completed the challenge because the chapter is not true. This alone proves that no one can complete the challenge.
The second part of the challenge says that along with producing a chapter that is like the Quran, one who is in doubt must also call upon their helpers. However, those helpers do not exist. Therefore, one who is in doubt cannot call upon their helpers because they don't exist.

It is a very simple topic.

But someone calimed that this challenge has already been met as two versese all ready added

Bosnian_Thinker

But someone calimed that this challenge has already been met as two versese all ready added

Peace. Are you talking about Rashad Khalifa?

FAR

Has anyone here actually read those two books which the OP claims have met the challenge of the Quran.

Of course we all know that Bahism was created with the help of the British Empire, where does its books challenge the quran? And as for Sikhism... it's too small of an organization, no?

afridi220

Peace. Are you talking about Rashad Khalifa?

He is not alone who claim that two verses were added after the death of Mohammed. But yes he is the one who tried to prove it.

peace

Diem

I dont understand where the challenge says the book cant mimic it. It simply says a verse LIKE it. If I'm doing something LIKE you am I not mimicking you? Someone please explain this.

Soof

I thought it was a rhetorical statement.

Cushan

I thought 'surah like it' meant

They say you stole this from another source, a foreign source. If so, then produce the source text (a surah like it). Namely, in the Arabic in which it's composed. But they can't do this, because it's from God, etc.

11matrix11

Its a load of crap to compare Bahai and Sikhism with the Glorious Quran. laugh
These are all man made books and there is no whatsoever intervention of
divinity in this books. All borrowed concepts from here and there.
The Quran's premise was an answer to the corrupted Trinitarian beliefs of
the cross and the whole book when read thoroughly spells out the enemy
as clear as day. It is a warning to the unbelievers, rejecters and hypocrites.
It reminds of the judgement to come especially to the damage done by
the people who has hid the truth from time immemorial and the corruptors
of the earth.
What do you think that the Zionist/Crusader/Trinitarian/Babylonian power
can get away with all the corruption and damage they have done?
No the Hour draws near and we will all witness for ourselves how hot the
Hellfire is.
So do not take this book as something that can be emulated and copied.
Only those with foresight can see the beauty and divine qualities of this
book. Not the deaf, blind and mute.