A REPLY TO ANDYA PRIMANDA
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Peace "tanty",
Are all these professors you quoted all secular or evangelical creation "scisntists"? You need to be very careful with this and just putting up a laudry list of scisntists DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS. Since the early Twentieth Century, evolution deniers have been fond of creating lists of "scientists" who do not accept evolution. This tactic is an attempt to give the erroneous impression that, among scientists in general, support for evolution is in decline or that evolution is a "theory in crisis." Have you ever heard about "Project Steve"? It is a parody of these lists conducted by the National Center for Science Education (NCSE). Read this please
http//www.talkorigins.org/faqs/steve/
http//ncseweb.org/taking-action/project-steve
GOD Bless! -
Peace "tanty",
Are all these professors you quoted all secular or evangelical creation "scisntists"? You need to be very careful with this and just putting up a laudry list of scisntists DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS. Since the early Twentieth Century, evolution deniers have been fond of creating lists of "scientists" who do not accept evolution. This tactic is an attempt to give the erroneous impression that, among scientists in general, support for evolution is in decline or that evolution is a "theory in crisis." Have you ever heard about "Project Steve"? It is a parody of these lists conducted by the National Center for Science Education (NCSE). Read this please
http//www.talkorigins.org/faqs/steve/
http//ncseweb.org/taking-action/project-steve
GOD Bless!Yup tanty, beware of "the "Conspiracist Scisntists" tempt
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Peace "tanty",
Salaam,
I will say the same to both of you JK and Farida.
Beware of scientists who don't believe that GOD is exist!
JK- About 40% scientists beleive in GOD and almost all of those accept evolution. They consider evolution is a Divinely guided process. Get rid of this propaganda that evolution=atheism. Infact as i pointed out many times eoltuion makes the pt of there being only one GOD even stronger. Project Steve is there just to counter creationists arguments that there are so many "scientists" who support creation and hence it must be true otherwise there is a whole load of evidece ive shown repeatedly in support of evolution AND NONE in support of creationism. GOD Bless!
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Peace "farida",
Yup tanty, beware of "the "Conspiracist Scisntists" tempt
JK- Did you even get what Project Steve's about. It was there to show that despite creatinists claim that there are alot of scienstists in favor of creationism theres a hell lot more scientists supporting evolution JUST BY THE NAME STEVE AND VARIANTS THEREOF which make up only about 1% of the total scientists. Do you get it now? And then on top of it youll see that even Michael Behe, the most prominent advocate of ID, also accepts common descent just claining that the first cells were directly designed by GOD and also that almost all if not all creation scientists come from a religious, ESPECIALLY EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN, background and did not arrive at their conclusions from a secular approach. That is very telling indeed. GOD Bless!
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Peace again "tanty" and all those who still deny evolution,
One of the most prominet Quran Alone Muslims, our bro Edip Yuksel fully accepts the theory of evolution at the same time has completely exposed that Sharlatan Harun Yahya, who is the most prominent figure amongst creationism in sunni "islam". If not anything else at least that should be extremely telling to you. If you want to ask Edip about the details i can give you his mobile no so that you can call him up and discuss it with him directly. GOD Bless!
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Peace "tanty",
May i ask you a few questions then? Do you believe that Edip Yuksel, Andya Primanda and many other bros on this forum who all accept evolution and that it is a Divinely guided process are all deceived and/or unbelievers? Have you ever heard about "theistic evolution"? If not please look it up on wiki. As i mentioned earlier about 40% of scientists beleive in GOD and the majority amongst them accept evolution. Do you believe those are all deceived or worse intentionally lying to us with their evidence? Can you tell me why we as humans are overall most similar to apes and monkeys MORE THAN any other animal, although apes and monkeys arived on this planet before us? If GOD had created us separately then why would He choose a certain living creature as a prototype and not select the best features out of every animal and provide us therewith? YET we see weve basically all features of apes and on those modofications have occurred. Besides that theres the chromosme fusion site at our chromosme 2 which shows exactly how wer genetically linked to apes and i had provided the video. Then theres been cases where TRUE TAIL found in monkeys has been reactivated in some human babies, NATURALLY reactivated
http//talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section2.html#atavisms_ex2
Why would GOD make it look genetically as if we evolved from apes if we didnt? Does GOD deceive us? These are just some pts to ponder on. GOD Bless! -
Peace "tanty",
May i ask you a few questions then? Do you believe that Edip Yuksel, Andya Primanda and many other bros on this forum who all accept evolution and that it is a Divinely guided process are all deceived and/or unbelievers? Have you ever heard about "theistic evolution"? If not please look it up on wiki. As i mentioned earlier about 40% of scientists beleive in GOD and the majority amongst them accept evolution. Do you believe those are all deceived or worse intentionally lying to us with their evidence? Can you tell me why we as humans are overall most similar to apes and monkeys MORE THAN any other animal, although apes and monkeys arived on this planet before us? If GOD had created us separately then why would He choose a certain living creature as a prototype and not select the best features out of every animal and provide us therewith? YET we see weve basically all features of apes and on those modofications have occurred. Besides that theres the chromosme fusion site at our chromosme 2 which shows exactly how wer genetically linked to apes and i had provided the video. Then theres been cases where TRUE TAIL found in monkeys has been reactivated in some human babies, NATURALLY reactivated
http//talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section2.html#atavisms_ex2
Why would GOD make it look genetically as if we evolved from apes if we didnt? Does GOD deceive us? These are just some pts to ponder on. GOD Bless!Peace
Believing that the theory of evolution was created by god while at the same time believing that everything was created by chance is a contradiction. but yes, someone can believe in god and at the same time believe in the theory of evolution, but that does not increase the validity of the theory. Actually someone can believe in God and the same time believe in superstitions and fairy tales. So the conclusion is yes, someone can believe in god and at the same time follow falsehood. Both christian creationists and evolutionists are following falsehood.
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Peace again "tanty" and all those who still deny evolution,
One of the most prominet Quran Alone Muslims, our bro Edip Yuksel fully accepts the theory of evolution at the same time has completely exposed that Sharlatan Harun Yahya, who is the most prominent figure amongst creationism in sunni "islam". If not anything else at least that should be extremely telling to you. If you want to ask Edip about the details i can give you his mobile no so that you can call him up and discuss it with him directly. GOD Bless!
By that logic, Muhammad Asadi is also a prominet Quran alone muslim. His articles has contributed much to Islam based on Quran alone and he has a very impressive understanding of the Quran. And guess what, he does not believe in the evolution theory. He has have written solid arguments against the falsehood of the theory.
You can read his article about the evolution-theory below.
Evolution by natural selection, is it a fact?
http//www.rationalreality.com/
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Peace,
Let's make it simple
Evolution is a natural system working within the universal framework, even a chaotic system as evolution is directed on the macro-result level as the laws of nature makes it go into one direction, which is adaption towards progress. The laws of nature are clearly designed, evolution thus is a system that is based on a designed system.
There is no doubt that, even in the crude form, the hypothesis of an intelligent designer
applied to the laws of nature is far superior then the designer considered in the previous
section (of his book referring to creationists red.), who violates the laws of nature from time to time by working
miracles in evolutionary history. Design-by-laws is incomparably more intelligent than
design-by-miracles. If I were an omnipotent being who wanted to make an inhabited
Universe like ours, and I could achieve this simply by conjuring up what I wanted when I
wanted it, I wouldnt regard my activities as very clever.
But to select a set of laws that,
without nay periodic fixing up and micromanagment, can bring a Universe into being
and bring about self-organisation, self-complexification and self-assembly of life and
conciousness-well, that looks very clever indeed! So the intelligentdesign beloved of the
Intelligent Design movement strikes me as not very intelligent at all, in contrast to a
designer of laws of nature which by themselves have such astonishing creative ability
without the need for intervention and miracles.Intelligent design of the laws does not
conflict with science, because it accepts that the whole Universe runs itself according
to physical laws, and that everything that happens in the Universe has a natural
explanation. There are no miracles other than the miracle of nature itself. You dont
even need a miracle to bring the Universe into existence in the first place, because the
big bang may be brought within to explain the origin of the Universe from nothing, or by
assuming something like eternal inflation. The designer-of-laws is responsible for the
Universe, and might be thought of as upholding its existence at every moment, but does
not tinker with its day to day operation. The type of God I am describing comes close, I
think, to what many scholarly theologians-and for that matter quite a few scientists profess
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Peace "david_k"
Peace
Believing that the theory of evolution was created by god while at the same time believing that everything was created by chance is a contradiction. but yes, someone can believe in god and at the same time believe in the theory of evolution, but that does not increase the validity of the theory. Actually someone can believe in God and the same time believe in superstitions and fairy tales. So the conclusion is yes, someone can believe in god and at the same time follow falsehood. Both christian creationists and evolutionists are following falsehood.
JK- Evolution does NOT say that everything is cerated by chance. Yes mutations are cosnidered to be random BUT natural selection is anything but random. Youve got to rid yourself of this confusion. Also the mutations occur within fixed chemical laws. Theistic evolutionists state that it is GOD who setup the laws of the universe at the beginning so that all lviing things would evolve in it inclduing us so He is the creator of everything and He used evolution as a mechanism. ALSO ive provided more than enough evidence to support the fact that we share a common ancestor with apes. Now it's upto you to look at it, study it carefully and then decide especially the chromosme fusion. GOD Bless!
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Peace "david_k",
By that logic, Muhammad Asadi is also a prominet Quran alone muslim. His articles has contributed much to Islam based on Quran alone and he has a very impressive understanding of the Quran. And guess what, he does not believe in the evolution theory. He has have written solid arguments against the falsehood of the theory.
You can read his article about the evolution-theory below.
Evolution by natural selection, is it a fact?
http//www.rationalreality.com/
JK- He has probably not looked at the lastest evidence concerning chromosme fusion and ERVs. Im posting the links again here just for you
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=De-OkzTUDVA
ALSO weatch the following series which explains everything reg evolution in detail and then see wht u make of it
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLNoRlxjvJI&feature=PlayList&p=7C90EE51FA96E8CE&index=0
GOD Bless! -
This should not even be a problem anymore. It is not evolution that is in danger, it is creationism. If you listen to Harun Yahya, you will notice that alot of his "ideas" are without any solid scientific proof and lack any grounds. His whole platform rests on the idea that since science cannot explain something today, then it is wrong forever.
Bro andya and JK have posted videos, I suggest that everyone watch them with an open mind. Evolution does not equal atheism.
I believe in a God that was smart enough to create a system like evolution, not a "dumb" God that had to intervene every few years to poof matter into existence and break the laws that he himself set upon the universe. hail