Question regarding current salaat... sunni version
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Peace Wayfinder )
Many evidences show us that the current Salat is nothing but invention, and has nothing to do with the quranic salat. The current sunni salat is man-made and some evidences for examples show us that the sunni and salat is copied from zoroastrian religion.
Let me quotes some information about tis from one of my past posts
When i first found monotheism(Islam based on Quran alone), I also believed that prayer should be ritual, and that the ritual prayer is something that we must do 3-5 times a day. However, after i studied the Quran, and did a research, i came to the conclusion that Salat = Reading/Reciting the Quran. I think the Ritual prayer in sunnism and shiaism has nothing to do with the Quranic teachings, and actually is Copied from the Zoroastrian religion. Read the interesting article about similarities between Zoroastrian Ritual Prayer and Sunnism Ritual Prayer.
The Ritual Prayer in Zorostrianism is almost exactly identical with the Ritual Prayer of Sunni-muslims
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8029.0
Infusion of Zoroastrian tradition into Sunnism
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14590.0
Your sincerely
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Assalaam Alaikum
"The words, raka'ah and sajdah in arabic are NO WHERE in the reading"
There's an entire Sura titled Al-Sajdah in the Quran!!
Before making a statement about the Quran, keep in mind, because you may not know or have not been told something about a particular reference in the Quran, does NOT suggest its NOT there.
Who seeth you standing forth (in Prayer),
Allathee yaraka heena taqoomu (The 'Ya' is silent in recitation)
And thy movements among those who prostrate themselves,
Wataqallubaka fee alssajideena
So the angels prostrated themselves / Fasajada , all of them together.
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Assalaam Alaikum
There are actually 6 'timings' defined in the Quran as 'Sunnah'
The 'Salat' is 'established' by....
Recite what is inspired to you from The Book and establish SALAH / PRAYER. Surely SALAH / PRAYER stops from obscenity and that which is disguised. and definitely remembrance of Allah is great. And Allah knows what you fabricate.
(This was Our Way) Sunnah with the Messengers We sent before you. you wilt find no change in Our Sunnah (ways).
? Establish SALAH / PRAYER by the sun's decline (Zuhar, Asar) to the darkening of the night (Maghrib, Esha) and the reading of the dawn, (Fajr) surely the reading of the dawn is witnessed.
Aqimi alssalata lidulooki alshshamsi ila ghasaqi allayli waqurana alfajri inna qurana alfajri kana mashhoodan
And so be vigilant / Tahajjud from the night, an additional for you, so it may be THAT YOUR LORD WILL RAISE YOU TO A STANDING POSITION OF PRAISE.
Wamina allayli fatahajjad bihi nafil atanlaka AAasa an yabAAathaka rabbuka maqaman mahmoodan
Here are the 6 timings.....
AL-FAJR 891 (FAJR)By the day when it breaks
AL-LAIL 922 (ZUHR) By the day when it shines.
AL-ASAR 1031 (ASR) By the (sun shine when it) squeezes.
AL-LAIL 921 (MAGHRIB) By the night when it envelopes.
AL-ZUHA 932 (ESHA) By the night when it darkens.
AL-MUDDASSIR 7433 (TAHAJJUD)By the night when it retreats.
HOOD 11114 And establish SALAH / PRAYER at the two extremities of the day (day time,Zuhar, Asar) and from the advances of the night. (Night time, Maghrib, Esha, Fajr) Surely the goodness will take away the badness. That is the remembrance for those who remember.
TA-HA- 20130 So you be patient over what they say and glorify with the praises of your Lord before the rising of the sun (night time, Maghrib, Esha, Fajr) and before its setting (day time, Zuhar, Asar) and from the parts of the night, (continuous night time, Fajr, Zuhar, Asar, Maghrib, Esha) and so glorify at the extremities of the day (continuous day time Fajr, Zuhar, Asar, Maghrib, Esha) so that you will be pleased.
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Assalaam Alaikum
? Have you not seen that whatsoever is in the skies and in the earth praises for Allah and the birds in the rows. Everyone knows his SALAH / PRAYER and his praise. And Allah knows with what they do.
Do they not look at Allah's creation, (even) among (inanimate) things,- How their (very) SHADOWS TURN ROUND, FROM THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT, PROSTRATING THEMSELVES TO ALLAH, and that in the humblest manner?
And to Allah doth obeisance all that is in the heavens and on earth, whether moving (living) creatures or the angels. for none are arrogant (before their Lord).
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Peace Brother,
AL-FAJR 891 (FAJR)By the day when it breaks
AL-LAIL 922 (ZUHR) By the day when it shines.
AL-ASAR 1031 (ASR) By the (sun shine when it) squeezes.
AL-LAIL 921 (MAGHRIB) By the night when it envelopes.
AL-ZUHA 932 (ESHA) By the night when it darkens.
AL-MUDDASSIR 7433 (TAHAJJUD)By the night when it retreat
These verses does not give any indication that they are talking about SWALAH... How you come to these conclusions?
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Assalaam Alaikum
If you would have taken the time to read my previous posts in context with the last post, you clearly see the foundation of salat is determined by the alternation of the Sun and the Moon.
How else are 'shadows' produced? Which denote the correct 'timings' of salat.
So when you complete the (shortened) SALAH / PRAYER then remember Allah in standing and sitting and ON YOUR SIDES, so when you are in tranquility then establish SALAH / PRAYER, surely SALAH / PRAYER TIMINGS ARE WRITTEN OVER / AAala THE BELIEVERS / kitaban mawqootan.
AAala (preposition) over, upon
kitaban(tanween-fatha, indefinite) written, prescribed, ordinance, law, prescribed, record, letter, term, scripture, teachings, knowledge
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 478 (waqata)mawqootan (tanween-fatha, indefinite) fixed, stated time or period, ordained;Root word Waqata to fix, appoint the time of an action
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 616 (kataba) -
Assalaam Alaikum...
Just in case you did not know the entire Quran is salat!
Only those believe in Our Signs, who, when they are recited to them, fall down in adoration, and celebrate the praises of their Lord, nor are they (ever) puffed up with pride.
Their LIMBS DO FORSAKE THEIR BEDS OF SLEEP, the while they call on their Lord, in Fear and Hope. and they spend (in charity) out of the sustenance which We have bestowed on them.
For ALL Humankind....
It is We Who have sent down the Qur'an to you by stages.
Therefore be patient with constancy to the Command of thy Lord, and hearken not to the sinner or the ingrate among them.
And celebrate the name of thy Lord morning and evening,
And part of the night, prostrate thyself to Him; and glorify Him a long night through.
al insi means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
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where the prophet said that there will be 72 or 73 sects in islam and only one will be on the straight path.... Very tough brothers and sisters...
Now the last question... He continued and said...Now lets assume that the true Islam says 3 times swalat per day... It means the sahabah did the same number of swalat and same for the people who came later... So when in time did the shift occur from 3 times to 5 times... In case it occurred... That is people distorted hadith and added 2 more swalaat.. then there should have always been a group still performing the 3 times swalaat... those who would have stick to the Quran... they would have opposed firmly..... Where were they all these times? We dont find them anywhere... Its not an overnight thing to change swalat from 3 to 5 times a day... Never heard of them until the recent 15-20 years from now... Had the real swalaat number been 3... they would have remained groups of people in all these times who would have kept performing 3 swalaat... So where were they all these times...
As Salaamu Alaykum
Actually the 3 Salaat Theory is false and have been dealt with, you may want to check out this link
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm
And this link address the hadiyth about the 73 sects
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/73sectsinislaam.htm -
About the history of Muslims who uphold/upheld the 3 salaat are
- Kharajites
- Nizari Ismailis (constituting of 90% of all Ismailis)
- Mutazilis
I myself am still not 100% sure if its 3 or 5 because of all this discussion and both sides giving good arguements, although I am leaning a bit more towards 5 at the moment.
Peace
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As Salaamu Alaykum
Actually the 3 Salaat Theory is false and have been dealt with, you may want to check out this link
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm
And this link address the hadiyth about the 73 sects
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/73sectsinislaam.htmI can't see how anyone can say the 3 salat theory is false. Or the 5 salat theory is false. Or the 2 salat theory is false.
I really do not understand why there must be a theory in the 1st place about salat. I have seen endless discussion about this. It always ends the same with nobody able to thump the other.
Sometimes you read a 2 salat theory and you say to yourself hmm
Then you read about a 3 salat theory and you say to yourself once again hmm
Then someone asks why should we question the 5 salat and he brings his reasons and once again you are hmm
A Koranic analysis would end with 2 or 3 if you ask me. If you accept the communal practices then its 5.