What is the differerence between using "Allahumma" and Rabbi/Rabbana in Prayers?
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Salamun alaykum
I am curious to learn why Allahumma is more prevalent in usage in Mosques everywhere during congregational prayers , you know the prayers / supplications after the ritual salat . If we are told to follow the example of the prophets in our deeds and prayers , and we found that through out the Qur'an all but 5 of the prayers/supplications by the prophets and messengers , begin with either Rabbi or Rabbana , why do most Muhammadans from their Imams down to their blind followers use this allahumma instead of what the great majority of the prophets used ? I know that Rabbi means Lord or my lord , Rabbana is our lord but what is allahumma ? If I am not mistaken , the 5 times occurrence of "allhumma" was all said by Isa Ibn Mariam and even then it is followed by rabbana .
Any thought from anyone ?Peace
almarh0m
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Salaam
Brother I do not feel any objectionable thing in it. All of them are HIS names.One can choose anyone.7180
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Peace Brother Q
I do not find find the use of "allahumma" as objectionable at all , we could pray to God in any language we feel like as you know The God understands all languages . I just said that I am curious about the use of "allahumma" considering that most prophets and messengers in the Qur'an used to address God with either "Rabbi" or "Rabbana" . The use of "Allahumma" in the Qur'an is always immediately followed by either Rabbi or Rabbana , you can verify this for yourself .
As for mentioning mainly God in the Masjid , I am sure 7218 is very clear on that subject . Most "Muhammadans" are not satisfied with the mention of God only but happy if you add another name to it , 3945 .
Peace
almarh0m
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Peace,
If I am not mistaken , the 5 times occurrence of "allhumma" was all said by Isa Ibn Mariam and even then it is followed by rabbana .
Any thought from anyone ?Read...
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Salaam
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The use of "Allahumma" in the Qur'an is always immediately followed by either Rabbi or Rabbana , you can verify this for yourself .
Show me in these verses where is word "Rabb" after Allah-humma. Is this not better our claims should be supported by due evidence ?
As for mentioning mainly God in the Masjid , I am sure 7218 is very clear on that subject . Most "Muhammadans" are not satisfied with the mention of God only but happy if you add another name to it , 3945
Interesting information. Would you please elaborate with some example what do they "add" the other name ?
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Peace "Q_student",
Interesting information. Would you please elaborate with some example what do they "add" the other name ?
JK- First in the adhaan "ashadu 'an la ilaaha ilallah... AHSHADU 'ANA MUHAMMADANAR RASOOLULLAH....". Then most of the time we hear "allahmuma salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala ahli Muhammad". The lots of "imaamul anbiyi" and "sallalaahau 'alihi wasalam" int the middle and in the end another "sallu" specifically mentioning Muhammad. They almost cannot mention GOD without also mentioning Muhammad along with Him(see 3945). I think this should be eneough to call them flagrant idolators. GOD Bless!
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Peace Q_student
I stand corrected . Allahumma did occur 5 times but only once followed by "Rabbana" . It is why I said " you can verify this for yourself " . As for adding to God's name ? Look at "The Sahadah" , Qur'an .....and Sunnah etc . We are here to learn Bro handshake
Peace
almarh0m
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Peace "Q_student",
JK- First in the adhaan "ashadu 'an la ilaaha ilallah... AHSHADU 'ANA MUHAMMADANAR RASOOLULLAH....". Then most of the time we hear "allahmuma salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala ahli Muhammad". The lots of "imaamul anbiyi" and "sallalaahau 'alihi wasalam" int the middle and in the end another "sallu" specifically mentioning Muhammad. They almost cannot mention GOD without also mentioning Muhammad along with Him(see 3945). I think this should be eneough to call them flagrant idolators. GOD Bless!
Salaam JK
Actually discussion was about Allahumma and Rabbanaa.But You have pointed out another aspect.Thanks for it.
Do you want to say ,"If in one sentence there is name of Allah and in another sentence there is name of another creation ,this is idolatory' i.e Shirk? " Did I get your point correctly ?To Almarh0m
I stand corrected . Allahumma did occur 5 times but only once followed by "Rabbana" . It is why I said " you can verify this for yourself
Please give the reference of that verse.Thanks
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Salaam JK
Actually discussion was about Allahumma and Rabbanaa.But You have pointed out another aspect.Thanks for it.
Do you want to say ,"If in one sentence there is name of Allah and in another sentence there is name of another creation ,this is idolatory' i.e Shirk? " Did I get your point correctly ?JK- NO but when you are mentioning GOD's name as a remembrance i.e. zikrullah then at tht time theres no palce for other names. When your saying the call to prayer it is the time to remember GOD ONLY NOT the malaaikah, not the jinn, not Muhammad or anyone else. GOD Bless!
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Salaam JK
Actually discussion was about Allahumma and Rabbanaa.But You have pointed out another aspect.Thanks for it.
Do you want to say ,"If in one sentence there is name of Allah and in another sentence there is name of another creation ,this is idolatory' i.e Shirk? " Did I get your point correctly ? Allahumma and Rabbana are "kilamaatun Nidaa". Are the sentences mentioned by you Kalimaatun Nidaa ?AHSHADU 'ANA MUHAMMADANAR RASOOLULLAH....". Then most of the time we hear "allahmuma salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala ahli Muhammad". The lots of "imaamul anbiyi" and "sallalaahau 'alihi wasalam" int the middle and in the end another "sallu" specifically mentioning Muhammad
To Almarh0m
Please give the reference of that verse.Thanks
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JK- NO but when you are mentioning GOD's name as a remembrance i.e. zikrullah then at tht time theres no palce for other names. When your saying the call to prayer it is the time to remember GOD ONLY NOT the malaaikah, not the jinn, not Muhammad or anyone else. GOD Bless!
Salaam Jk
Do you want to say during salaat we are not allowed to recite such a verse in which there is some name other than Allah ?