DO AYATS 5:5 AND 6:146, PRECLUDE THE PIG AS BEING HARAM...?
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"He only prohibits for you the
eating of animals that die of them-
selves (without human interference),
blood, the meat of pigs, and
animals dedicated to other than God..." (2173)The whole "only herbivores is halal" comes from hadith. This is what Sunnis and Shias uphold. Shias even say that only white fish are halal out of the sea animals. Hanafis also say that crabs are haram. All of this is BS.
To forbid something which GOD did not prohibit is a major sin. Following hadith to get prohibitions and upoholding them is shirk, since one talks another authority besides God for religious law. This means that God is not enough as a law maker or just in general.
Peace
bravo
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"He only prohibits for you the
eating of animals that die of them-
selves (without human interference),
blood, the meat of pigs, and
animals dedicated to other than God..." (2173)The whole "only herbivores is halal" comes from hadith. This is what Sunnis and Shias uphold. Shias even say that only white fish are halal out of the sea animals. Hanafis also say that crabs are haram. All of this is BS.
To forbid something which GOD did not prohibit is a major sin. Following hadith to get prohibitions and upoholding them is shirk, since one talks another authority besides God for religious law. This means that God is not enough as a law maker or just in general.
Peace
I fail to understand why people think they could be progressive as against hadith ridden people by considering desirable eating meat of cats and dogs.
Qur'aan, NOT Hadith, says only Al an'aam are permissible for eating and they are then defined as those who are herbivores. And then herbivores are further divivded into those which are eatable and those which are meant for carrying loads which includes horses, donkeys and mules. Camel is excluded from the list of beast of burden and declared as eatable. And then Qur'aan further tells that for you people He has sent eight families of herbivore mammals. But the ground reality is that there are nine families of herbivore mammals, The Ninth family is that of pig which is is not for us.
Search the word Al an'aam to know the facts. Stupid is one who is obcessed with anything and retarded is the one who claps on everything.
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I fail to understand why people think they could be progressive as against hadith ridden people by considering desirable eating meat of cats and dogs.
Qur'aan, NOT Hadith, says only Al an'aam are permissible for eating and they are then defined as those who are herbivores. And then herbivores are further divivded into those which are eatable and those which are meant for carrying loads which includes horses, donkeys and mules. Camel is excluded from the list of beast of burden and declared as eatable. And then Qur'aan further tells that for you people He has sent eight families of herbivore mammals. But the ground reality is that there are nine families of herbivore mammals, The Ninth family is that of pig which is is not for us.
Search the word Al an'aam to know the facts. Stupid is one who is obcessed with anything and retarded is the one who claps on everything.
Dear Brother
Instead of talking ambigously ,why do you not post those verses which are concerned with your idea as you have been posting arabic text + English translation so that all of us are benefitted.
Thanks
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I fail to understand why people think they could be progressive as against hadith ridden people by considering desirable eating meat of cats and dogs.
Qur'aan, NOT Hadith, says only Al an'aam are permissible for eating and they are then defined as those who are herbivores. And then herbivores are further divivded into those which are eatable and those which are meant for carrying loads which includes horses, donkeys and mules. Camel is excluded from the list of beast of burden and declared as eatable. And then Qur'aan further tells that for you people He has sent eight families of herbivore mammals. But the ground reality is that there are nine families of herbivore mammals, The Ninth family is that of pig which is is not for us.
Search the word Al an'aam to know the facts. Stupid is one who is obcessed with anything and retarded is the one who claps on everything.
I am not saying that we SHOULD eat dogs. I personally would NEVER eat a dog! yuck
BUT cultures in different parts of the world eat dogs, and we have to respect that. The Quran DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE "BEASTS OF BURDEN" as you declare.
I dont understand how people dont get the verse which I quoted. "He ONLY prohibits..."
Has God mentioned dogs? Has he mentioned crabs, omnivores, etc.? NO!
Does God forget? NO!
So where do you get the idea of only the meats of herbivores being lawful?
This is a quote from the Quran (393)
All food used to be lawful for the Children of Israel, until Israel imposed certain
prohibitions on themselves before the Torah was sent down.
Say, "Bring the Torah and read it, if you are truthful."The same way that hadithist prohibit things which God has made lawful.
Bring your evidence from the Quran that only the meat of herbivores is halal, if you are truthful.I can only repeat the verse from the quran
"He ONLY prohibits for you the
eating of animals that die of them-
selves (without human interference),
blood, the meat of pigs, and
animals dedicated to other than God..." (2173)Do you believe God or not?
AGAIN Prohibiting what God has not prohibited is a major sin. It is SHIRK! You are following another authority besides God that mandates religious laws for you!
"They follow idols who decree for them religious laws never authorized by God. If it were not for the predetermined decision, they would have been judged immediately. The wicked have deserved a painful retribution." (4221)
I hope you ponder on the verses which I have provided you with.
Peace
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Peace,
According to the Quran, it is safe to conclude that all meats are forbidden except seafood and herbivorous animals or cattle which should add to eight pairs except swine, dead animals(with all its mentioned causes), and running blood.
This means that all birds are forbidden as it was never made permissible and never discussed in the Quran whether which types are allowed or forbidden.
Cheers,
Rami
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This doesn't tell me anything! I will check them in english and get back to you. But as I see you have disregarded the "he ONLY prohibts you.." part.
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Refering to 4079... God says that "some of them YOU EAT"... not "some of them you MAY eat"
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From 6145..
Say, "I do not find in the revela-
tions given to me any food that is
prohibited for any eater except
(1) carrion, (2) running blood,
(3) the meat* of pigs, for it is
contaminated, and (4) the meat of
animals blasphemously dedicated
to other than GOD." If one is
forced (to eat these), without being
deliberate or malicious, then your
Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful. -
This doesn't tell me anything! I will check them in english and get back to you. But as I see you have disregarded the "he ONLY prohibts you.." part.
Salaam Brother
I agree with you . There are three location where Allah is declaring these "Haraam animals".53
(53) Forbidden to you are carrion, *9 blood, the flesh of swine, the animal slaughtered in any name other than Allah's, *10 the animal which has either been strangled, killed by blows, has died of a fall, by goring or that devoured by a beast of prey - unless it be that which you yourselves might have slaughtered while it was still alive *11 - and that which was slaughtered at the altars. *12- *13
You are also forbidden to seek knowledge of your fate by divining arrows. *14 All these are sinful acts. This day the unbelievers have fully despaired of your religion. Do not fear them; but fear Me. *15 This day I have perfected for you your religion, and have bestowed upon you My bounty in full measure, and have been pleased to assign for you Islam as your religion. (Follow, then, the lawful and unlawful bounds enjoined upon you.) *16 As for he who is driven by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, surely Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate. *172173
(2173) Allah has only forbidden you to eat what dies of itself, and blood and swine flesh and what has been consecrated to any other name than of Allah. *171 But one will incur no sin if, forced by absolute necessity, he eats of any of these forbidden things, provided he has no intention of transgressing the law and does not take more than what is absolutely indispensable for Allah is very Forgiving and very Merciful.16115
(16115) Allah has forbidden only these things do not eat what dies of itself nor blood nor swine flesh nor what has been slaughtered in any name other than Allah. But if forced by hunger one eats of any of these forbidden things, provided he has no intention of breaking the Divine Law or of transgressing the limits by taking more than what is absolutely indispensable, one may expect mercy, for Allah is very Forgiving and very Compassionate.At fourth place Allah clearly commands
6145
(6145) Tell them (O Muhammad!) 'I do not find in what has been revealed to me anything forbidden for anyone who wants to eat unless it is carrion, outpoured blood and the flesh of swine, all of which is unclean; or that which is profane having been slaughtered in a name other than that of Allah. *121 But whosoever is constrained to it by necessity - neither desiring to disobey nor exceeding the limit of necessity - your Lord is surely AllForgiving, All-Compassionate.This way of statement is exactly like this that a doctor tells the patient "Do not eat ABCD"
Doesn't it mean the patient can eat rest of eatables?We should not forget
587
(587) Believers! Do not hold as unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful to you, *104 and do not exceed the bounds of right. *105 Allah does not love those who transgress the bounds of right.As far as this logic beast of burden is concerned because of which Mazhar is making an animal Haraam. How about "Camels"? Halaal or Haraam?
What about BIRDs ??
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Prohibition and Permissible are given distinctly in the Qur'aan. Dogs etc are NOT declared as your Rizq. Only milk giving herbivores other than employed as beast of burden are made permissible for eating and are declared as Rizq given by Allah, in all the Ayat quoted in earlier post. The Ayah quoted talks as an explanation given by the Messenger about the things prohibited by Allah in other verses. Here reason is also given with clarification that blood which is flowing liquid is haram, otherwise some blood always remains within the body of slaugtered herbivore. At all other places only blood was mentioned.
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peace q_student
the answer is in 6145
And based on your ABCD example you should know that camels are halal.
Remember that if it is not specifically mentioned as haram, then is halal.
So basically camels are halal. -
Prohibition and Permissible are given distinctly in the Qur'aan. Dogs etc are NOT declared as your Rizq. Only milk giving herbivores other than employed as beast of burden are made permissible for eating and are declared as Rizq given by Allah, in all the Ayat quoted in earlier post. The Ayah quoted talks as an explanation given by the Messenger about the things prohibited by Allah in other verses. Here reason is also given with clarification that blood which is flowing liquid is haram, otherwise some blood always remains within the body of slaugtered herbivore. At all other places only blood was mentioned.
if you want to go by this although I have given evidence from the Quran, you are free to do so, but I am not.
I will follow the quran. as for rizq is that like domestic animals? clarify -
peace q_student
the answer is in 6145
And based on your ABCD example you should know that camels are halal.
Remember that if it is not specifically mentioned as haram, then is halal.
So basically camels are halal.This is the perception of misguided people who read Qur'aan only in part, believe in some and refuse to believe in some.
Camels belong to a different family other than horses, donkeys and mules. They have specifically been declared as Halal. Unless anything is declared as Halal none can presume that it is Halal. He follows satanic whispers. -
This is quote from student.
Only that cannot be called Haram which has been declared Halal by Allah for us. Where Allah has declared cat, dog, donkey Halal?
Those who declare such things as halal for themselves they follow none but the Satan.
So which animals does God make halal for us to eat in the Quran?
I mean are chicken, turkey, pigeon, rabbit, duck in the Quran?
This has always confused me. Obviously dirty animals like rats shouldn't be eaten, that's just common sense. But what about other animals like cats and foxes?
I read in a book about 'Islam' that you shouldn't eat aggressive animals like lions and buffolo because their hormones can make you aggressive too but I haven't seen any scientific evidence. -
Prohibition and Permissible are given distinctly in the Qur'aan. Dogs etc are NOT declared as your Rizq. Only milk giving herbivores other than employed as beast of burden are made permissible for eating and are declared as Rizq given by Allah, in all the Ayat quoted in earlier post. The Ayah quoted talks as an explanation given by the Messenger about the things prohibited by Allah in other verses. Here reason is also given with clarification that blood which is flowing liquid is haram, otherwise some blood always remains within the body of slaugtered herbivore. At all other places only blood was mentioned.
Dear Brother Mazhar
I think it is here where you are struck up. By the word "Rizq" you mean only "eatable". Your concept is not true. Anything which is given by Allah may be cow ,buffalo ,goats ,cats ,donkeys ,horses ,dogs ,wealth ,land ,rain ,fruits even cars your PC from which one is benefitted is RizQ.Quran says
Everything given by Allah is called Rizq. Even dictionaries of Classical arabic support it.
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What stops you from including Dogs and Donkeys in RIZQ
As far this arguement is concerned these are considered beast of burden ,where does Quran says that it is their only use.
Then you jumped to saying milk givein "Baheema" .Does donkey or horses do not give milK?
In addition to these animals there are many others like
Lizard ?
Birds like Crows,vultures ,pigeons ,chickens
Snakes
WaspsYou have persistantly avoided the question raised by progressive the use of word "Innamaa" used in
2173
16115
Allah asks the prophet PBUH to declare that in the QURAN THERE IS NOTHING HARAAM EXCEPT THOSE MENTIONED
6145
BUT YOU SAY "NO" THERE ARE OTHERS HARAAM ALSO
Whome should be trusted ?
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Peace all,
First, get science out of this completely. Some foods are pemissible but can harm you.
Second, when the Quran says 'I don't see from what was revealed to me anything forbidden except...' is only regarding cattle because the pagans made their own prohibitions in cattle. It is very interesting to note that when God added some prohibitions on the Jews, all were within cattle. Ofcourse and as usual, that has nothing to do with the Babylonian Torah so don't get confused.
Peace,
Rami
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Ok..this will probably be my last post on this issue.
This is from Hadiths
According to various "authentic" Ahadith narrated in "Sahih" Bukhari and "Sahih" Muslim including hadith narrated by Ibn Abbas in "Sahih" Muslim, Book of hunting and slaughter, Hadith No. 4752 and Sunan Ibn-I-Majah chapter 13 Hadith no. 3232 to 3234, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) prohibited the eating of
(i) Wild animals with canine teeth, i.e. meat eating carnivorous animals. These are animals belonging to the cat families such as lion, tiger, cats, dogs, wolfs, hyenas, etc.
(ii) Certain rodents like mice, rats, rabbits with claws, etc.
(iii) Certain reptiles like snakes, alligators, etc.
(iv) Birds of prey with talons or claws, like vultures, eagle, crows, owl, etc.
This is from the Quran
"O you who believe, eat from the good things we provided for you, and be thankful to GOD, if you do worship Him alone. He ONLY prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." (2172-173)
"Say, "I do not find in what was revealed to me anything prohibited for
any eater unless it is (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is unclean, and (4) meat blasphemously dedicated to other than God." If one is forced to eat these without being malicious or deliberte, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful." (6145)Say, "Did you note how GOD sends down to you all kinds of provisions, then you render some of them unlawful, and some lawful?" Say, "Did GOD give you permission to do this? Or, do you fabricate lies and attribute them to GOD?" (1059)
"Prohibited for you are animals that die of themselves, blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. (Animals that die of themselves include those) strangled, struck with an object, fallen from a height, gored, attacked by a wild animal - unless you save your animal before it dies - and animals sacrificed on altars. Also prohibited is dividing the meat through a game of chance; this is an abomination. Today, the disbelievers have given up concerning (the eradication of) your religion; do not fear them and fear Me instead. Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Submission as the religion for you. If one is forced by famine (to eat prohibited food), without being deliberately sinful, then GOD is Forgiver, Merciful." (53)
"These are God's revelations that We recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" (456)
"They follow idols who decree for them religious laws never authorized by God. If it were not for the predetermined decision, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the transgressors have incurred a painful retribution." (4221)
Bonus I will give you the dictionary definition of "anything" and "only", because Rami made a ridiculous claim, saying that "anything except..." refers to only cattle being lawful.
Anything (pronoun) "Any object, act, state, event, or fact whatever; thing of any kind; something or other; aught"
Only (adverb) "Without others or anything further; exclusively" and "no more than; just"
If you still won't believe me, then check http//www.quran-islam.org/118.html and http//www.submission.org/quran/app16.html
Peace