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    Q_student
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    Wadu is mandatory before every salat.

    Wadu can be carried over for next salat only in case we dont find water.

    If one does not find water but have been to toilet, sick, travelling or have touched women sexually(foreplay only) then atleast do the dry ablution(tayammam)which becomes a must.

    siki

    Salaam Ski
    If one performs Waduo for Salaat but just before slaatt he expels air per anum twice or thrice ,what happens to his wadoo . Is this nullified or not ?
    regards

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      Wadu is mandatory before every salat.

      Wadu can be carried over for next salat only in case we dont find water.

      So if you haven't nullified your wudu, you still need to do wadu for your next salat?

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        So if you haven't nullified your wudu, you still need to do wadu for your next salat?

        Salaam Brother
        Unless you know the nullification factors ,how can you determine it the wadoo is nullified ? or Not
        Regards

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          Salaam Ski
          If one performs Waduo for Salaat but just before slaatt he expels air per anum twice or thrice ,what happens to his wadoo . Is this nullified or not ?
          regards

          There has been quite a number of debates regarding passing of fecal gases, the issue is weather passing of gas can be considered a part of visiting lu? some people thought it to be, whereas some did not, I would leave that up to you to decide.

          siki

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            siki
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            So if you haven't nullified your wudu, you still need to do wadu for your next salat?

            yes, wadu before every salat.

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              There has been quite a number of debates regarding passing of fecal gases, the issue is weather passing of gas can be considered a part of visiting lu? some people thought it to be, whereas some did not, I would leave that up to you to decide.

              siki

              Salaam Brother
              Do you want to say that as such "Quran is slilent about factors which nullify the Wadoo".
              This statement that "some say this and some say that does not matter " because no one is an authority except Quran.
              Regards

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                siki
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                Salaam Brother
                Do you want to say that as such "Quran is slilent about factors which nullify the Wadoo".
                This statement that "some say this and some say that does not matter " because no one is an authority except Quran.
                Regards

                Quran lists four conditions, sickness, travel , touching women sexually and a visit to the lu, all these factors need explanations , which have not been detailed in quran, and has been left to an individual's perception. If you want to get in to details of the other 3 conditions, they are going to be much more tricky. so make out from this listing what ever you percieve and feel comfortable with.

                siki

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                  Quran lists four conditions, sickness, travel , touching women sexually and a visit to the lu, all these factors need explanations , which have not been detailed in quran, and has been left to an individual's perception. If you want to get in to details of the other 3 conditions, they are going to be much more tricky. so make out from this listing what ever you percieve and feel comfortable with.

                  siki

                  Salaam brother
                  Very strange
                  How is it if a person pain in the head or his foot is twisted ,his wadood is nullified ?
                  Can you please explain it ?
                  Travel
                  Sickeness

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                    siki
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                    Salaam brother
                    Very strange
                    How is it if a person pain in the head or his foot is twisted ,his wadood is nullified ?
                    Can you please explain it ?
                    Travel
                    Sickeness

                    Take it this way.

                    you are in clean state, but wadu every time before every salat

                    you are in clean state, but cant find water, you can salat without wadu.

                    you are in dirty state, four conditions,(listed) wadu will suffice to purify yourself before salat,

                    you are in dirty state, four conditions, and you cant find water to carry out wadu, but this time no concession granted to you, You have to carry out some kind of cleansing with clean dry soil.

                    you are in extremely dirty state , janaba , which is you are in after sexual intercourse resulting into discharge of semen, wadu is not enough , you have to take a bath,

                    you are in a janaba state,you cant pray untill and unless you take a complete body bath, salat prohibited

                    if you are travelling and get into janaba state, and unable to take a bath due to any reason, a concession is granted( illa abri sabeelin) to you, and you can go ahead with salat, do the wadu or if no water do the tayammam at least.

                    above is what quran says regarding wadu , nothing more nothing less, so sort out nitty grittys at your own and use your mind.

                    Dont expect quran to spell for you the kind, and degree of sicknesses, length of travel, or how have you lamastamum un nissas, weather you touched her here, or there ? and to gauge the degree of arousal you achieved .

                    I suppose the above should suffice, and please get out of sunni state of mind to re understand the quranic commands of wadu.

                    peace

                    siki

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                      Take it this way.

                      you are in clean state, but wadu every time before every salat

                      you are in clean state, but cant find water, you can salat without wadu.

                      you are in dirty state, four conditions,(listed) wadu will suffice to purify yourself before salat,

                      you are in dirty state, four conditions, and you cant find water to carry out wadu, but this time no concession granted to you, You have to carry out some kind of cleansing with clean dry soil.

                      you are in extremely dirty state , janaba , which is you are in after sexual intercourse resulting into discharge of semen, wadu is not enough , you have to take a bath,

                      you are in a janaba state,you cant pray untill and unless you take a complete body bath, salat prohibited

                      if you are travelling and get into janaba state, and unable to take a bath due to any reason, a concession is granted( illa abri sabeelin) to you, and you can go ahead with salat, preferably do the wadu or if no water do the tayammam at least.

                      above is what quran says regarding wadu , nothing more nothing less, so sort out nitty grittys at your own and use your mind.

                      Dont expect quran to spell for you the kind, and degree of sicknesses, length of travel, or how have you lamastamum un nissas, weather you touched her here, or there ? and to gauge the degree of arousal you achieved .

                      I suppose the above should suffice, and please get out of sunni state of mind to re understand the quranic commands of wadu.

                      peace

                      siki

                      Salaam brother
                      Brevity is the soul of wisdom. VEry long answers actually indicated of non clearance of concepts.
                      Simple question is
                      A person had done wadoo and is likely to perform his prayer. But uncontrollably passes gas.
                      Is his wadoo nullified or not ?
                      Simple question ,please simple answer.
                      Regards

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                        Salaam brother
                        Brevity is the soul of wisdom. VEry long answers actually indicated of non clearance of concepts.
                        Simple question is
                        A person had done wadoo and is likely to perform his prayer. But uncontrollably passes gas.
                        Is his wadoo nullified or not ?
                        Simple question ,please simple answer.
                        Regards

                        Brother , i have said what i had to say, I can only add , that if any body on this forum dug deep into this issue , i was definitely one of them. if above posts are not good enough for you, You need more time on this forum to understand ,as to how Quran deals/spells out its orders.

                        To finish it up, ask your self a question , do you think , passing a fecal gas is a part of visiting lu?

                        siki

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                          Brother , i have said what i had to say, I can only add , that if any body on this forum dug deep into this issue , i was definitely one of them. if above posts are not good enough for you, You need more time on this forum to understand ,as to how Quran deals/spells out its orders.

                          To finish it up, ask your self a question , do you think , passing a fecal gas is a part of visiting lu?

                          siki

                          Salaam Brother
                          I have courage to say that I have no answer and I do not find any answer in the Quran accordinig to my knowledge( which might be wrong).That is why I asked. But others should also deveope this courage that they have no anwer.
                          X-->Y ---->Z---->Y ,so M is proved .I do not think this is correct methodology. Anyway thanks for your time.
                          Regards

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                            Salaam Brother
                            I have courage to say that I have no answer and I do not find any answer in the Quran accordinig to my knowledge( which might be wrong).That is why I asked. But others should also deveope this courage that they have no anwer.
                            X-->Y ---->Z---->Y ,so M is proved .I do not think this is correct methodology. Anyway thanks for your time.
                            Regards

                            ok , ask yourself again , if you had some bit of control over releasing those gasses , would you not like to visit lu and release them there, rather than making every body around uncomfortable?

                            siki

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                              ok , ask yourself again , if you had some bit of control over releasing those gasses , would you not like to visit lu and release them there, rather than making every body around uncomfortable?

                              siki

                              Brother Peace
                              It does not matter where you release ,Is the wadoo nullified or not ?
                              Does the place of release somethinig to do with nullification ?

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                                Brother Peace
                                It does not matter where you release ,Is the wadoo nullified or not ?
                                Does the place of release somethinig to do with nullification ?

                                yes , because the quran mentions , a visit to the lu, Not releasing of gases.

                                siki

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                                  yes , because the quran mentions , a visit to the lu, Not releasing of gases.

                                  siki

                                  Once again,

                                  Would you like to go to the lu for releaseing gases, or, can you do this exercise at any secluded place other than lu, as well ?

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                                    Peace everyone,

                                    1. I could not find this term in the qur'aan. How can someone ask qur'aanic questions relevant to a term that is nonexistant in the qur'aan? How can someone use a non-qur'aanic term and then ask others to bring qur'aanic evidence relevant to the non-qur'aanic term?

                                    2. Gas in the digestive tract can be expelled from the mouth (belching/burping) or from the rectum (flatus). Both are similar physiological actions and can be termed "flatulence" and usually occur normally.

                                    http//www.emedicinehealth.com/flatulence_gas/article_em.htm

                                    Both can be done without visiting Gh-W-T (see 56 for this root). Excessive flatulence (from mouth or rectum), however, can be a symptom of sickness. If it occurs normally without sickness then no effect on the pre-salat washing. If it is a result of sickness, then even belching from mouth will affect the pre-salat washing.

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                                      Peace everyone,

                                      1. I could not find this term in the qur'aan. How can someone ask qur'aanic questions relevant to a term that is nonexistant in the qur'aan? How can someone use a non-qur'aanic term and then ask others to bring qur'aanic evidence relevant to the non-qur'aanic term?

                                      2. Gas in the digestive tract can be expelled from the mouth (belching/burping) or from the rectum (flatus). Both are similar physiological actions and can be termed "flatulence" and usually occur normally.

                                      http//www.emedicinehealth.com/flatulence_gas/article_em.htm

                                      Both can be done without visiting Gh-W-T (see 56 for this root). Excessive flatulence (from mouth or rectum), however, can be a symptom of sickness. If it occurs normally without sickness then no effect on the pre-salat washing. If it is a result of sickness, then even belching from mouth will affect the pre-salat washing.

                                      Thanks Truth seeker
                                      Do you want to say that Passage of Gas per rectum is not a "nullification of the Wadoo?
                                      Did I get it properly ?
                                      Thanks

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