Not a thing but it glorifies The Creators praise
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Salam all, my name is Oriel, with blessing I?m monotheist, I have submitted and take Quran as guidance from the creator. I?m looking forwarding to talking about Quran ;D
I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on animal welfare and modern factory farming in light of Quran and submission? I have looked over some previous posts on veganism etc. but they don?t quite cover the topic I am seeking.
I was talking about this issue with a friend sometime ago and he (a muslim meat-eater of meat from any source as long as marked ?halal?) brought up an interesting point that I hadn?t considered?
638 There is not a creature in the earth, or a bird that flies with its wings, but are nations like you. We did not leave anything out of the book; then to their Lord they will be summoned.
1744 He is glorified by the seven heavens and the earth and who is in them, and there is not a thing but it glorifies His praise, but you do not understand their glorification. He is Compassionate, Forgiving.
- Reformist translation (concurring in monotheist translation)
If all creatures worship like us and are brought to God along with us on the day of judgement is how we have treated them in this life something we are judged on in the same way we are judged on how we have treated fellow humans? If we have been responsible for torture, suffering and abominable and debase treatment of fellow worshipers of God will they speak out against us? After all, we know that God and prophets talk to the animals (1668, 271 so is it conceivable?
In turn, do we as monotheist submitters have an obligation to protect (all) the weak and vulnerable from such abuses?
475 Why do you not fight in the cause of God, when the oppressed amongst the men and women and children say, "Our Lord, bring us out of this town whose people are wicked, and grant us from Yourself a Supporter, and grant us from Yourself a Victor!"
Please note I am not questioning whether it is wrong to respectfully rear and slaughter an animal for food. I am questioning modern industrial farming techniques of which more than 95% of the meat and animal products around the world come from - including the majority of ?halal? products. For example chickens http//www.viva.org.uk/resources/campaign-materials/fact-sheets/recipe-disaster
I look forward to hearing your views and contributing more in general, with thanks and peace.
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Salaam Oriel welcome to the forum.
I am not questioning whether it is wrong to respectfully rear and slaughter an animal for food. I am questioning modern industrial farming techniques of which more than 95% of the meat and animal products around the world come from - including the majority of ?halal? products.
I don't understand what do yu mean -\
Peace
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Salaam Earthdom,
I think he means to grow cattle and then slaughter the animals as an industry. Well, Qur'an talks about animals to use as cattle so I assume there is nothing wrong in that as long as you treat the animals like living beings and with worthiness and respect.
God bless you
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Salaam Man of Faith.
I think he means to grow cattle and then slaughter the animals as an industry. Well, Qur'an talks about animals to use as cattle so I assume there is nothing wrong in that as long as you treat the animals like living beings and with worthiness and respect.
Thanks Man of Faith.
Yes indeed she, raised the good issue, because it's regarding the accurate translation of 2173.
Traditionalist Translation
"He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swineflesh, and that which hath been immolated to (the name of) any other than Allah. " (Pitchkall)
"He has forbidden you only the Maytatah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a scrifice for others than Allah (or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., on which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering)" (Moshin Khan)
Quranist Translation
"He has only made unlawful for you that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated with to other than God.
Which one is true??
If we refer to the original Arabic text, the word slaughter or immolate actually doesn't exist.
The word uhilla ( ) often misstranslated into that word, and it's actual meaning is citizens, inhabitants, settle, people, start , commence.Peace
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Thank you for replies and/or reading my thoughts.
If you are interested and have time, I recommend looking into modern farming techniques, perhaps we can share understanding in the future?sometimes we get so used to doing things the way they are 'done' - 'the norm' - that we don't question. But have a feeling there are some questioners on this forum -
I think it is personal.
O mankind
eat from whatever is on earthlawful <- 1st condition
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good <- 2nd condition
(216Therefore, it is not merely halal, but must also consider by us as good for eating. If the food is halal but we consider it as unjust to eat, then don't eat it. But of course, we cannot impose our belief on others since it is allowed in the Quran, to a certain degree.
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!00% agree muslims. I know this can be a touchy subject. I think we should all share knowledge even if - perhaps especially if - it challenges us.
To answer your query Eathdom; I was differentiating between how Quran indicates that we are allowed to eat certain animals (and use them to our aid for transport and clothing etc.) compared to how animals are currently used on such a mass 'industrial' scale that it seems we have forgotten that they are Gods creation too and not inanimate unfeeling, unthinking 'things'.
BTW There are plenty of alternatives such as free-range farms (some halal in the UK) and occasional 'veggie' meals so that our demand for intensively reared meat, eggs etc. becomes less.
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Peace Oriel,
I agree that many animals are treated in the most disgusting ways and like they were worth nothing.
The best way would be to give up urban life and go farming the righteous way and grow your own stuff. If you are going to buy fair-animal-treatment products one will need to earn more money since these people are not late to charge a hefty sum of extra money just to offer this kind of food. Depends on one's pocket I guess, but intentionally buying from sources where they treat animals well is good.
I am against maltreatment of animals just to make farming more efficient and food cheaper. Governments have to do more I guess. Problem is that they will just import the stuff from elsewhere if one place forbids poor animal treatment. Anyway, the consumers have a certain responsibility too to boycott these suppliers.
God bless you