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Doesn't 361 solve the 9:128-129 and Hafs and Warsh issues?

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    Pseudo
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    Dear 6619,

    9128-129 were added to sura 9 in the first century AH.

    Ascertained reading hadith, as traditionalists claim verses on stoning are missing.

    Quranix is overwhelmingly right about the way "the recitation" should be written. I do not claim there are no mistakes at all. I identified a couple mistakes as well.

    Good you admit it is overwhelmingly inconsistent.

    The process to get a Quran that is 100% pure (to the very letter) is still an ongoing process.

    The manipulation is ongoing, verses/words deleted and misspelled using +/- 1 hamza and alif tool.

    I personnally believe that the count of A.L.M. in ALM initialed suras is still an ongoing debate, in spite of the recent research conducted on 19.org.

    Good you admit A.L.M. count is false and misleading as pointed out, as is A.L.R.

    http//submission.org/quran/app1.html

    Table 5 Occurence of the Letters
    "A," "L," and "R" in the
    A.L.R.-Initialed Suras
    Sura
    No. Frequency of Occurence Total
    "A" "L" "R"
    10 1319 913 257 2489 (19x131)
    11 1370 794 325 2489 (19x131) <------- wrong!
    12 1306 812 257 2375 (19x125)
    14 585 452 160 1197 (19x63)
    15 493 323 96 912 (19x4
    5073 3294 1095 9462 (19x49 <------- wrong!

    Deliberately miscounted; copy/paste chapter 11 into word; find/search each letter

    11 A = 1419 L=793 R=323 Total = 2535 not multiple!

    9128-129 are not part of Quran. It is over...
    There are two ways to get a 100% pure Quran

    This is 100% pure Quran, anyone with a clear mind free of the fitna can "read in context"?

    9126-129
    See they not that they are put in trail once or twice every year? Yet, they turn not in repentance, nor do they learn a lesson. And whenever there comes down a S?rah, they look at one another (saying) "Does any one see you?" Then they turn away. All?h has turned their hearts because they are a people that understand not. Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty. He is anxious over you, for the believers full of pity, kind, compassionate. So if they turn away, say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne."

    The rest of the ?fluff? added in every post is typical nineteen fetishes? to bedazzle the na?ve and yourselves ? all you see, hear, and listen to is the fitna in your heads. The cure was posted earlier?

    Go purchase 13 items, 13 gallons of gas, change sign-on to 13, write 13 posts, do everything 13, kill the fitna whispers from your mind -- heal yourself!

    Peace

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      Peace,

      Quran does not have its base on the history but the Truth from the Almighty. If any is interested to deny 9128, 129 then let him bring the evidence how those verses are antagonistic to the reality of God, Creation of heavens and the earth and every thing in between and the relationship between such realities. Read Quran in the way it should be read; but sadly enough in the case of '19 ners' they do not ponder upon the verses; but to the contrary, they entertain themselves trying to contain the quran within the hell fire surrounded by the guards 19. By using 19 they wish to keep the quran in the hell. Yet Quran is mightier than all His creations in such a way that the verses of it has the power over every default option such as RK's code 19, 361 etc. The verses 9 128, 129 of the Quran had blasted away the face of RK and his code 19!

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        Salaam to all,

        Peace,

        Quran does not have its base on the history but the Truth from the Almighty. If any is interested to deny 9128, 129 then let him bring the evidence how those verses are antagonistic to the reality of God, Creation of heavens and the earth and every thing in between and the relationship between such realities. Read Quran in the way it should be read; but sadly enough in the case of '19 ners' they do not ponder upon the verses; but to the contrary, they entertain themselves trying to contain the quran within the hell fire surrounded by the guards 19. By using 19 they wish to keep the quran in the hell. Yet Quran is mightier than all His creations in such a way that the verses of it has the power over every default option such as RK's code 19, 361 etc. The verses 9 128, 129 of the Quran had blasted away the face of RK and his code 19!

        Still today many people rejoice that Rashad Khalifa was assassinated. He was stabbed 29 times and God manifested one of the greatest miracle with his death
        http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm

        Again, people who hate the truth will decide to remain blind even after witnessing the earth shattering miracle that surrounds his death!

        People who have critized 19 or 361 on this thread have not addressed the statistical challenge and miraculous convergence described. They always try to find a way out claiming that such word should be written a different way, such gematrical value is wrong, change subjects, they always find excuses but the laws of statistics and common sense are mind blowing for people who have not decided in advance to reject the miracle no matter what and accept to open their eyes and face the big picture of the facts.
        http//www.islamrevolution.org/361mainarticle.htm

        God does not manifest miracles to mislead people but to guide them The gematrical value of "guide" (huda) is 19! But maybe someone is going to tell me the word should be written a different way!
        Those who have eyes to see let them see! Those who have ears to ear, let them hear!

        Peace.

        Pierre

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          Peace Pierre,

          I see you've done a lot of research on this issue. Thanks for presenting this excellent information regarding the factors of the "code 19 concept", and may G-d be the judge in all our disputes. For a certainty, He is the most knowledgeable and wise...

          Peace and best wishes,

          Ahmad

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            Salaam to all,

            Those who have eyes to see let them see! Those who have ears to ear, let them hear!

            Peace.

            Pierre

            One very important thing to be considered after the eyes and the ears - the heart! If you have the understanding heart please explain 9-128, 129 as to how in content and substance they are against or are contradicting all the rest of the ayats of Quran.

            Peace.

            .

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              One very important thing to be considered after the eyes and the ears - the heart! If you have the understanding heart please explain 9-128, 129 as to how in content and substance they are against or are contradicting all the rest of the ayats of Quran.

              Peace.
              .

              Salaam drfazl and all,

              You said it absolutely right Your heart will tell you if 9128-129 are part of Quran, IF and only IF you have a good heart, that is to say if you are sincere.

              Sura 9 is the only sura that doesn't start with the four worded Bismillah. The Bismillah is the way God blesses each and every sura.
              Why wasn't sura 9 blessed with the 19 lettered Bismillah? it is obvious something has to be wrong with sura 9. Actually God blessed it in a hidden manner With His NAME.
              There are 168 words God (GV Bismillah) up to 9127, the true last verse of sura 9. 9128-129 do not fall into the realm of God's benediction.
              In addition Muhammad is called Raheem in the false verses, which is a divine attribute reserved to God alone in the entire Quran. If you have a good heart, your heart will speak to you.
              If you take the time to read and study the article on Islamrevolution.org on 9128-129, you should have answers to all kind of questions http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm

              Personnally I have absolute certainty that 9128-129 are not part of Quran, I would accept to leave planet earth right away without hesitation if I happened to be wrong. This is how certain I am. God is my witness.

              Peace and God bless.

              Pierre

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                Peace,

                Personnally I have absolute certainty that 9128-129 are not part of Quran, I would accept to leave planet earth right away without hesitation if I happened to be wrong. This is how certain I am. God is my witness.

                If confident below age 40 kill yourself and of course you believe this hadith too

                "During my Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, and before sunrise on Tuesday, Zul-Hijjah 3, 1391, December 21, 1971, I, Rashad Khalifa, the soul, the real person, not the body, was taken to some place in the universe where I was introduced to all the prophets as God's Messenger of the Covenant. I was not informed of the details and true significance of this event until Ramadan 1408.

                What I witnessed, in sharp consciousness, was that I was sitting still, while the prophets, one by one, came towards me, looked at my face, then nodded their heads. God showed them to me as they had looked in this world, attired in their respective mode of dress. There was an atmosphere of great awe, joy, and respect.

                Except for Abraham, none of the prophets was identified to me. I knew that all the prophets were there, including Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Aaron, David, Noah, and the rest. I believe that the reason for revealing Abraham's identity was that I asked about him. I was taken aback by the strong resemblance he had with my own family - myself, my father, my uncles. It was the only time that I wondered, "Who is this prophet who looks like my relatives?" The answer came "Abraham." No language was spoken. All communication was done mentally."

                Removed verses based on weak, ambiguous, disputed hadith manipulating hamza where appropriate miss spell words like

                Pierre Since when do you write Ibrahim with two alifs?

                Yeah big conspiracy to change the tombstones too.

                http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_islamic/fig37_kufi08_img.htm

                http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/large/color_lg_jpeg/fig37_c_lg.jpg

                Translation
                In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most merciful
                God's blessings
                On Prophet Mohammad and
                (may God) keep Ibrahim bin Hussain
                bin Wahab bin Amro bin
                Safwan with the companions of
                Mohammad in heaven

                Those who have ears to hear, let them hear, those who have eyes to see, let them see.

                37

                http//www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=7

                You were never a believer fooled by a cheap trick false code; if you had a slight bit of intelligence and knew basic math you?d easily see that it?s all random meaningless conjectures...

                1. Start with preconception to meet desire (fitna)
                2. Try all sorts of combinations look for anything nineteen (a hit gives you a buzz)
                3. Show only multiples hide everything else that is not multiple

                One can find multiples every day; here is chapter 9 with the last two verses included?

                Fact sequence of chapter 9 is multiple!
                123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657
                585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100
                101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129

                Copy/paste into miracle calculator and see?
                http//www.apostatesofislam.com/quran/analyzer.htm

                Chapter........verses.........Sum
                1.......+.......7...........=.......8.........even
                2.......+.......286.......=.......288.......even
                3.......+.......200.......=.......203.......odd
                ?..............?..............?.......?
                ?..............?..............?.......?
                113.....+.......5.........=.......118.......even
                114.....+.......6.........=.......120.......even

                6555...........6236............6555.......6236

                (6+5+5+5) + (6+2+3+6) = 19 ? 2 is multiple!

                9128

                9129

                Total letters 9128 = 60 (even verse total is same as #of even verses in Quran = 60)
                Total letters 9129 = 54 (odd verse total is same as #of odd verses in Quran = 54)

                60 + 54 = 114 is multiple!

                The 19th word is Allah!

                Total words 9128 = 14
                Total words 9129 = 15

                Words, verse are multiple!
                14 128 15 129 = 19 x 74358691

                (9 + 129 + 12 / 19 = 14 is multiple!

                Total gv of 9128 = 2896
                Total gv of 9129 = 3882

                Verses, words, values are multiple!
                128 129 60 54 2896 3882 = 19 x 6743663443629678

                Countless other things?
                7431 And We did not make the fire's company (guards) ONLY/illa angels, and We did not make their number/count ONLY/illa a test to those who disbelieve...

                The internet is littered with those infected (fitna) searching for all things nineteen.

                http//bruceadumas.com/db2/00111/bruceadumas.com/_uimages/Curious-Cows-13-x-19.jpg

                "Curious Cows"

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                  Peace,

                  If confident below age 40 kill yourself and of course you believe this hadith too

                  Translation
                  In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most merciful
                  God's blessings
                  On Prophet Mohammad and
                  (may God) keep Ibrahim bin Hussain
                  bin Wahab bin Amro bin
                  Safwan with the companions of
                  Mohammad in heaven

                  37

                  Salaam,

                  In the Quran, Ibrahim is written with only one alif
                  368
                  The proof? Guidance (GV 19) from God seperated truth from falsehood.
                  You can keep your tombstone with Ibrahim mispelled, it does not change anything about Quran.

                  As for wishing my own death, it is up to you, bear your own sins. I do wish your death no matter what you believe.
                  If I am wrong about 9128-129 I do not wish to spend more time on earth and it is up to God.
                  I have absolute certainty they are from satan the rejected. Why? the miracle of 19 gave me certainty per 7431 it skyrocketed my faith. It will never increase yours, therefore you will be guarded by 19 angels if you do not update your beliefs.
                  God will seperate us on the day of judgment on the issue.

                  Peace.

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                    Salaam,

                    In the Quran, Ibrahim is written with only one alif
                    368
                    The proof? Guidance (GV 19) from God seperated truth from falsehood.
                    You can keep your tombstone with Ibrahim mispelled, it does not change anything about Quran.

                    Easy to work backwards
                    4 + 2 + 4 + 9 = 19

                    As for wishing my own death, it is up to you, bear your own sins. I do wish your death no matter what you believe.

                    I was quoting your idol...
                    http//www.answering-christianity.com/rk_3.htm

                    HADITH #3 NO POSSIBILITY OF DIVINE PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMS COMMITTED BELOW AGE 40 - EVEN MASS MURDER!

                    If I am wrong about 9128-129 I do not wish to spend more time on earth and it is up to God.
                    I have absolute certainty they are from satan the rejected. Why? the miracle of 19 gave me certainty per 7431 it skyrocketed my faith. It will never increase yours, therefore you will be guarded by 19 angels if you do not update your beliefs.
                    God will seperate us on the day of judgment on the issue.

                    Now you are judging me for rejecting stupid code idiot idol and what skyrocketed was fitna/sickness easily shattered; I'll repost again...

                    If you had a slight bit of intelligence and knew basic math you?d easily see that it?s all random meaningless conjectures.

                    1. Start with preconception to meet desire (fitna)
                    2. Try all sorts of combinations look for anything nineteen (a hit gives you a buzz)
                    3. Show only multiples hide everything else that is not multiple

                    One can find multiples every day; here is chapter 9 with the last two verses included?

                    Fact sequence of chapter 9 is multiple!
                    123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657
                    585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100
                    101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129

                    Copy/paste into miracle calculator and see?
                    http//www.apostatesofislam.com/quran/analyzer.htm

                    Chapter........verses.........Sum
                    1.......+.......7...........=.......8.........even
                    2.......+.......286.......=.......288.......even
                    3.......+.......200.......=.......203.......odd
                    ?..............?..............?.......?
                    ?..............?..............?.......?
                    113.....+.......5.........=.......118.......even
                    114.....+.......6.........=.......120.......even

                    6555...........6236............6555.......6236

                    (6+5+5+5) + (6+2+3+6) = 19 ? 2 is multiple!

                    9128

                    9129

                    Total letters 9128 = 60 (even verse total is same as #of even verses in Quran = 60)
                    Total letters 9129 = 54 (odd verse total is same as #of odd verses in Quran = 54)

                    60 + 54 = 114 is multiple!

                    The 19th word is Allah!

                    Total words 9128 = 14
                    Total words 9129 = 15

                    Words, verse are multiple!
                    14 128 15 129 = 19 x 74358691

                    (9 + 129 + 12 / 19 = 14 is multiple!

                    Total gv of 9128 = 2896
                    Total gv of 9129 = 3882

                    Verses, words, values are multiple!
                    128 129 60 54 2896 3882 = 19 x 6743663443629678

                    Countless other things?
                    7431 And We did not make the fire's company (guards) ONLY/illa angels, and We did not make their count ONLY/illa a test to those who disbelieve...

                    Listen to Qur'an, pay very careful attention; spreading lies about God's verses calling them satanic has dire consequences...

                    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfMby20pLMo

                    Peace

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                      Salaam,

                      Easy to work backwards
                      4 + 2 + 4 + 9 = 19

                      I was quoting your idol...
                      http//www.answering-christianity.com/rk_3.htm

                      HADITH #3 NO POSSIBILITY OF DIVINE PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMS COMMITTED BELOW AGE 40 - EVEN MASS MURDER!

                      Now you are judging me for rejecting stupid code idiot idol and what skyrocketed was fitna/sickness easily shattered; I'll repost again...

                      If you had a slight bit of intelligence and knew basic math you?d easily see that it?s all random meaningless conjectures.

                      1. Start with preconception to meet desire (fitna)
                      2. Try all sorts of combinations look for anything nineteen (a hit gives you a buzz)
                      3. Show only multiples hide everything else that is not multiple

                      One can find multiples every day; here is chapter 9 with the last two verses included?

                      Fact sequence of chapter 9 is multiple!
                      123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657
                      585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100
                      101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129

                      Copy/paste into miracle calculator and see?
                      http//www.apostatesofislam.com/quran/analyzer.htm

                      Chapter........verses.........Sum
                      1.......+.......7...........=.......8.........even
                      2.......+.......286.......=.......288.......even
                      3.......+.......200.......=.......203.......odd
                      ?..............?..............?.......?
                      ?..............?..............?.......?
                      113.....+.......5.........=.......118.......even
                      114.....+.......6.........=.......120.......even

                      6555...........6236............6555.......6236

                      (6+5+5+5) + (6+2+3+6) = 19 ? 2 is multiple!

                      9128

                      9129

                      Total letters 9128 = 60 (even verse total is same as #of even verses in Quran = 60)
                      Total letters 9129 = 54 (odd verse total is same as #of odd verses in Quran = 54)

                      60 + 54 = 114 is multiple!

                      The 19th word is Allah!

                      Total words 9128 = 14
                      Total words 9129 = 15

                      Words, verse are multiple!
                      14 128 15 129 = 19 x 74358691

                      (9 + 129 + 12 / 19 = 14 is multiple!

                      Total gv of 9128 = 2896
                      Total gv of 9129 = 3882

                      Verses, words, values are multiple!
                      128 129 60 54 2896 3882 = 19 x 6743663443629678

                      Countless other things?
                      7431 And We did not make the fire's company (guards) ONLY/illa angels, and We did not make their count ONLY/illa a test to those who disbelieve...

                      Listen to Qur'an, pay very careful attention; spreading lies about God's verses calling them satanic has dire consequences...

                      http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfMby20pLMo

                      Peace

                      Salaam,

                      and I will say it again because you are so smart
                      What is that thing in 7431 that will increase the faith of jews, Christians and the believers and leave other like you wonder about what an allegory means?
                      Thank God I am on the side who have attained certainty regarding the sign linked to the angels (19).
                      Be honnest what about you? It seems you are on the wrong side sir.

                      Your numerology does not impress me.

                      If you want to comment on the miracle of 19, address the statistical miracle
                      361 summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/361summary.htm
                      19 summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/miracleof19.htm

                      If the number related to the angels (19) did not increase your faith, you are in deep trouble because they will guard you (as simple as that), and it is why you are so upset and would be happy to see me dead (see Eid's post yesterday on the thread). Personnally I am ready to die for the truth if need be, if someone attemps to kill me (like Rashad, who was by the way simply an imperfect man, do you dare to face the miracle associated with his death http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm), God willing, I am eager to die and see Gods' judgment regarding those who rejected 19!
                      If you want to save your soul, one of the steps you have to make is purify your Quran from 9128-129.

                      Respectfully.
                      Peace.

                      Pierre

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                        Personnally I have absolute certainty that 9128-129 are not part of Quran, I would accept to leave planet earth right away without hesitation if I happened to be wrong. This is how certain I am. God is my witness.

                        Peace and God bless.

                        Pierre

                        Peace brother
                        No one is interested if you believe in 9128,129 or not. These are part of the Quran and inshallah will remain. RK's Bluff is not going to take space inspite of all the efforts of his followers. Because Shirk is Shirk , no matter in which shape or color it is.
                        Regards

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                          Salaam drfazl and all,

                          You said it absolutely right Your heart will tell you if 9128-129 are part of Quran, IF and only IF you have a good heart, that is to say if you are sincere.

                          Sura 9 is the only sura that doesn't start with the four worded Bismillah. The Bismillah is the way God blesses each and every sura.
                          Why wasn't sura 9 blessed with the 19 lettered Bismillah? it is obvious something has to be wrong with sura 9. Actually God blessed it in a hidden manner With His NAME.
                          There are 168 words God (GV Bismillah) up to 9127, the true last verse of sura 9. 9128-129 do not fall into the realm of God's benediction.
                          In addition Muhammad is called Raheem in the false verses, which is a divine attribute reserved to God alone in the entire Quran. If you have a good heart, your heart will speak to you.
                          If you take the time to read and study the article on Islamrevolution.org on 9128-129, you should have answers to all kind of questions http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm

                          Personnally I have absolute certainty that 9128-129 are not part of Quran, I would accept to leave planet earth right away without hesitation if I happened to be wrong. This is how certain I am. God is my witness.

                          Peace and God bless.

                          Pierre

                          Pierre,

                          You have not given your understanding except the customary numbers you are aware of. What is wrong with the 2 ayats? How it destroys your iman in Allah and how it is contradicting the rest of the ayats of Quran?

                          Peace.

                          .

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                            and I will say it again because you are so smart
                            What is that thing in 7431 that will increase the faith of jews, Christians and the believers and leave other like you wonder about what an allegory means?
                            Thank God I am on the side who have attained certainty regarding the sign linked to the angels (19).
                            Be honnest what about you? It seems you are on the wrong side sir.

                            My faith is mine; and 7431 says no such thing, has been butchered in most all translations especially by your idol.

                            Yeah seems these guys believe they are on the right side like you (perhaps tell them about your code)...

                            http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jDVXrXkKUg

                            Your numerology does not impress me.

                            If you want to comment on the miracle of 19, address the statistical miracle
                            361 summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/361summary.htm
                            19 summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/miracleof19.htm

                            Nor does your obvious manipulation impress me -- it's all bs working stuff backwards change letters to get a multiple.

                            If the number related to the angels (19) did not increase your faith, you are in deep trouble because they will guard you (as simple as that), and it is why you are so upset and would be happy to see me dead (see Eid's post yesterday on the thread).

                            The verse says actually the opposite, and again I was quoting your idiot idol.

                            http//www.answering-christianity.com/rk_3.htm

                            HADITH #3 NO POSSIBILITY OF DIVINE PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMS COMMITTED BELOW AGE 40 - EVEN MASS MURDER!

                            Personnally I am ready to die for the truth if need be, if someone attemps to kill me (like Rashad, who was by the way simply an imperfect man, do you dare to face the miracle associated with his death http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm), God willing, I am eager to die and see Gods' judgment regarding those who rejected 19!
                            If you want to save your soul, one of the steps you have to make is purify your Quran from 9128-129.

                            He was an idiot!

                            Those who follow, believe all the prophets bowed down to his ego the most ignorant cattle on the planet.

                            Have a nice life!

                            Bye!

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                              My faith is mine; and 7431 says no such thing, has been butchered in most all translations especially by your idol.

                              Yeah seems these guys believe they are on the right side like you (perhaps tell them about your code)...

                              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jDVXrXkKUg

                              Nor does your obvious manipulation impress me -- it's all bs working stuff backwards change letters to get a multiple.

                              The verse says actually the opposite, and again I was quoting your idiot idol.

                              http//www.answering-christianity.com/rk_3.htm

                              HADITH #3 NO POSSIBILITY OF DIVINE PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMS COMMITTED BELOW AGE 40 - EVEN MASS MURDER!

                              He was an idiot!

                              Those who follow, believe all the prophets bowed down to his ego the most ignorant cattle on the planet.

                              Have a nice life!

                              Bye!

                              Early in 1989 a man by the name of Theodore Robert Bundy was executed for killing a number of women. The whole nation agreed that he was one of the most vicious criminals in history. So much so that his execution was one of the rare occasions where the opponents of capital punishment did not protest. On the contrary, many people actually celebrated his execution. Numerous journalists, editorials, and politicians lamented the fact that justice took eleven years to execute Ted Bundy. They stated that Bundy should have been executed within a maximum of six years after his conviction.
                              According to the Quran, this would have been the greatest favor anyone could have done to Bundy. He was 42 years old when executed. Had he been executed five years earlier, at the age of 37, he would have gone straight to Heaven, and he did not deserve that.

                              As it turns out, Bundy was one of the signs God has given us to confirm that anyone who dies before 40 goes to Heaven. Bundy's name, Theodore Robert Bundy, consists of 19 letters, and he confessed to killing 19 women just one day before his execution.
                              There were many other signs from God.

                              Delivering this important piece of information is one of the responsibilities given to me as God's Messenger of the Covenant. It is not my personal opinion. It is noteworthy that both Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were assassinated just a couple of months before their 40th birthdays.

                              Sura 40 of the Quran is named Forgiver (Ghafer).

                              I suggest you read this http//www.submission.org/quran/app32.html

                              This is all that I am discussing about this issue. If you dont believe it, thats between you and God.

                              Peace

                              I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                Early in 1989 a man by the name of Theodore Robert Bundy was executed for killing a number of women. The whole nation agreed that he was one of the most vicious criminals in history. So much so that his execution was one of the rare occasions where the opponents of capital punishment did not protest. On the contrary, many people actually celebrated his execution. Numerous journalists, editorials, and politicians lamented the fact that justice took eleven years to execute Ted Bundy. They stated that Bundy should have been executed within a maximum of six years after his conviction.
                                According to the Quran, this would have been the greatest favor anyone could have done to Bundy. He was 42 years old when executed. Had he been executed five years earlier, at the age of 37, he would have gone straight to Heaven, and he did not deserve that.

                                As it turns out, Bundy was one of the signs God has given us to confirm that anyone who dies before 40 goes to Heaven. Bundy's name, Theodore Robert Bundy, consists of 19 letters, and he confessed to killing 19 women just one day before his execution.
                                There were many other signs from God.

                                Delivering this important piece of information is one of the responsibilities given to me as God's Messenger of the Covenant. It is not my personal opinion. It is noteworthy that both Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were assassinated just a couple of months before their 40th birthdays.

                                Sura 40 of the Quran is named Forgiver (Ghafer).

                                I suggest you read this http//www.submission.org/quran/app32.html

                                This is all that I am discussing about this issue. If you dont believe it, thats between you and God.

                                Peace

                                Wow -- the vast majority is in heaven, no judgement neccessary according to your idol and test since 1974 was to believe in nineteen code to be saved same as in ressurection according to Paul.

                                How old were the Roman emperors Nero and Caligula?

                                Humans by Era Average Lifespan at Birth

                                Neolithic 20
                                Bronze Age 18
                                Classical Greece 20-30
                                Classical Rome 20-30
                                Pre-Columbian North America 25-35
                                Medieval Islamic Caliphate 35+
                                Medieval Britain 20-30
                                Early 20th Century 30-40

                                I suggest you read Qur'an in context instead of that absurd site of the bizzare and clueless.

                                46 And test the orphans until when they reached the marriage, so if you perceived from them correct guidance, so pay to them their properties?

                                1734 And do not approach the orphan's property except with which it is best until he reaches his maturity?

                                Thus age of maturity is the age of marriage and financial responsibility (variable).

                                880 And as for the boy, so his parents were believing, so We feared that he oppresses them (with) tyranny and disbelief.

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                                  Peace brother
                                  No one is interested if you believe in 9128,129 or not. These are part of the Quran and inshallah will remain. RK's Bluff is not going to take space inspite of all the efforts of his followers. Because Shirk is Shirk , no matter in which shape or color it is.
                                  Regards

                                  Salaam,

                                  The truth is that everyone on this forum is deeply troubled by 9128-129. No one will have the guts to admit it. But it is the truth. This is why you react in such extreme ways. And you hate Rashad Khalifa for that. The only ones who are not deeply troubled and saw their faith increase greatly (7431) are those who understand how profoundly they violate the miracle of 19 and purified their garment (744). Indeed, a profound miracle, which can only touch the hearts of the sincere.
                                  No matter what, shirk is shirk, and those who allow themselves to believe Muhammad is raheem (912 are struck with a level of disbelief that will bar them from heaven.
                                  I showed my proofs (incontrovertible), in great detail, regarding the falsety of 9128-129
                                  Part 1http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm
                                  Part 2 http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129partii.htm
                                  Where are your proofs that 9128-129 are part of Quran ?!
                                  I'll let you figure out that one. Since it is incontrovertible proven there are a number of discrepancies between qurans (modern and oldest Qurans alike) at least orthographically, and sometimes even with words (http//www.submission.org/quran/protect.html), how do you reconcile the fact that God protected His Quran? The truth is you do not believe in 159. You are clueless when it comes to provide solutions to God's promise to pefectly preserve His Word, the Quran.
                                  Only us, who believe in the miracle of 19 - God's miracle - provided not just a response, but an eternal solution, and what a formidable one for those who have eyes to see!

                                  Peace.

                                  Pierre

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                                    Wow -- the vast majority is in heaven, no judgement neccessary according to your idol and test since 1974 was to believe in nineteen code to be saved same as in ressurection according to Paul.

                                    How old were the Roman emperors Nero and Caligula?

                                    Humans by Era Average Lifespan at Birth

                                    Neolithic 20
                                    Bronze Age 18
                                    Classical Greece 20-30
                                    Classical Rome 20-30
                                    Pre-Columbian North America 25-35
                                    Medieval Islamic Caliphate 35+
                                    Medieval Britain 20-30
                                    Early 20th Century 30-40

                                    I suggest you read Qur'an in context instead of that absurd site of the bizzare and clueless.

                                    46 And test the orphans until when they reached the marriage, so if you perceived from them correct guidance, so pay to them their properties

                                    1734 And do not approach the orphan's property except with which it is best until he reaches his maturity

                                    Thus age of maturity is the age of marriage and financial responsibility (variable).

                                    880 And as for the boy, so his parents were believing, so We feared that he oppresses them (with) tyranny and disbelief.

                                    This is from http//www.submission.org/quran/app32.html

                                    Your first reaction to this piece of information is objection "What if the person was really bad, evil, and an atheist, will he go to Heaven if he died before the age of 40?" This is because you are mean, while God is the Most Merciful. Our tendency is to "put them all in Hell." People who objected strongly to this Divine mercy cannot come up with a cut-off age of responsibility. They ask questions like, "What if the person was really wicked?" The answer is, "Does God know that this person was wicked?" "Yes."
                                    "Does God know that this person does not deserve to go to Heaven?" "Yes."
                                    "Therefore, this person will not die before the age of 40." As simple as that. God is the only one who terminates our lives on this earth. He knows exactly who deserves to go Heaven and who deserves to go to Hell.

                                    Besides, did you read this?

                                    Early in 1989 a man by the name of Theodore Robert Bundy was executed for killing a number of women. The whole nation agreed that he was one of the most vicious criminals in history. So much so that his execution was one of the rare occasions where the opponents of capital punishment did not protest. On the contrary, many people actually celebrated his execution. Numerous journalists, editorials, and politicians lamented the fact that justice took eleven years to execute Ted Bundy. They stated that Bundy should have been executed within a maximum of six years after his conviction.
                                    According to the Quran, this would have been the greatest favor anyone could have done to Bundy. He was 42 years old when executed. Had he been executed five years earlier, at the age of 37, he would have gone straight to Heaven, and he did not deserve that.

                                    As it turns out, Bundy was one of the signs God has given us to confirm that anyone who dies before 40 goes to Heaven. Bundy's name, Theodore Robert Bundy, consists of 19 letters, and he confessed to killing 19 women just one day before his execution.
                                    There were many other signs from God.

                                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                      Regarding all of this 361 and stuff

                                      http//www.19.org/index.php?aid=57

                                      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                        This is from http//www.submission.org/quran/app32.html

                                        Your first reaction to this piece of information is objection "What if the person was really bad, evil, and an atheist, will he go to Heaven if he died before the age of 40?" This is because you are mean, while God is the Most Merciful. Our tendency is to "put them all in Hell." People who objected strongly to this Divine mercy cannot come up with a cut-off age of responsibility. They ask questions like, "What if the person was really wicked?" The answer is, "Does God know that this person was wicked?" "Yes."
                                        "Does God know that this person does not deserve to go to Heaven?" "Yes."
                                        "Therefore, this person will not die before the age of 40." As simple as that. God is the only one who terminates our lives on this earth. He knows exactly who deserves to go Heaven and who deserves to go to Hell.

                                        Besides, did you read this?

                                        Early in 1989 a man by the name of Theodore Robert Bundy was executed for killing a number of women. The whole nation agreed that he was one of the most vicious criminals in history. So much so that his execution was one of the rare occasions where the opponents of capital punishment did not protest. On the contrary, many people actually celebrated his execution. Numerous journalists, editorials, and politicians lamented the fact that justice took eleven years to execute Ted Bundy. They stated that Bundy should have been executed within a maximum of six years after his conviction.
                                        According to the Quran, this would have been the greatest favor anyone could have done to Bundy. He was 42 years old when executed. Had he been executed five years earlier, at the age of 37, he would have gone straight to Heaven, and he did not deserve that.

                                        As it turns out, Bundy was one of the signs God has given us to confirm that anyone who dies before 40 goes to Heaven. Bundy's name, Theodore Robert Bundy, consists of 19 letters, and he confessed to killing 19 women just one day before his execution.
                                        There were many other signs from God.

                                        You do not get it
                                        I do not follow Rashad Khalifa, an imperfect man, I follow Quran alone.
                                        Whether one believes in going to heaven if he/she dies before 40, what is it going to change since God alone controls our life and death?
                                        This is a sterile debate, I have personnally no opinion on the age of 40 issue, since it does not change anything in our fates. I see the age of 40 as a landmark in a human being's life where your responsability is increased. That's all.

                                        It is striking how people assume that because you believe in the miracle of 19, you should necessary believe everything that Rashad said. Sorry but it does not apply to me.

                                        Peace.

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                                          You do not get it
                                          I do not follow Rashad Khalifa, an imperfect man, I follow Quran alone.
                                          Whether one believes in going to heaven if he/she dies before 40, what is it going to change since God alone controls our life and death?
                                          This is a sterile debate, I have personnally no opinion on the age of 40 issue, since it does not change anything in our fates. I see the age of 40 as a landmark in a human being's life where your responsability is increased. That's all.

                                          It is striking how people assume that because you believe in the miracle of 19, you should necessary believe everything that Rashad said. Sorry but it does not apply to me.

                                          Peace.

                                          Peace,

                                          although this was not quite directed towards you, I respect your opinion. And I agree with you, Rashad Khalifa was not perfect, although the whole 40 thing seems quite valid, and it was supported by the bible. But OK, i understand your point

                                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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