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Does the "omnipotence paradox" prove that there is no God?

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    Alen
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    Peace,
    Respectfully.

    I don't see a paradox here If God can create something, then He can also move that and control it, agreed?
    I mean, whatever God creates, is under His control, right?

    God know sbest.
    Glory be to our God.
    Peace.

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      Wakas
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      This question has been asked before and discussed in significant detail, like ~90% of the questions that get asked on the forum.

      I recommend using the search function, e.g.
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14430

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Rami
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        From what I understand, theological fatalism is the idea that nothing can be omnipotent because then it would automatically limit itself from every possible activity. For example, the age old question posed by the Islamic philosopher Ibn Rushd(better known in the west as Averroes) "Could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even that being could not lift it?"

        Omnipotence is defined as having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; being all-powerful

        "1. Either God can create a stone which He cannot lift, or He cannot create a stone which He cannot lift.
        2. If God can create a stone which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot lift the stone in question).
        3. If God cannot create a stone which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot create the stone in question).
        4. Therefore God is not omnipotent." - J.L. Cowan

        What I want to know is if this argument is valid and if it makes sense to the brilliant people on this forum.

        This logical argument is futile because you are simply clashing two infinities together. No one will win. God will keep building and keep lifting forever. He will do neither because He is omnipotent! If He did one of them He is not!

        Peace.

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          phoenix1
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          This question has been asked before and discussed in significant detail, like ~90% of the questions that get asked on the forum.

          I recommend using the search function, e.g.
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14430

          I know! People PLEASE use the EXCELLENT search function. There is a lot of gold written in the past (by people no longer with us) in threads that just keeps getting buried deeper and deeper. It's quite sad.

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            Diem
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            I know! People PLEASE use the EXCELLENT search function. There is a lot of gold written in the past (by people no longer with us) in threads that just keeps getting buried deeper and deeper. It's quite sad.

            Sorry, sorry (

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              dc2
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              the search function can be difficult to use. it's also not very advanced which complicates searching. difficult too when someone does not know what to search for. though there are a lot of buried threads that could do with a brushing off so i think it's nice when a thread is pointed to by a kind member who knows that it is there, the human touch...thanks wakas.

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                Diem
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                I checked the link provided, there isnt much there in aside from ridiculing the questioner...

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                  almarh0m
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                  Perhaps you should try and google " Intelligent Design " ? You might be able to gain a better answer to your question there .

                  Cheers

                  almarh0m

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                    Wakas
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                    I checked the link provided, there isnt much there in aside from ridiculing the questioner...

                    Really?

                    I have a philosophical question for you

                    If a person can write something intelligible does it automatically mean they can intelligently read?

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      Alen
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                      From what I understand, theological fatalism is the idea that nothing can be omnipotent because then it would automatically limit itself from every possible activity. For example, the age old question posed by the Islamic philosopher Ibn Rushd(better known in the west as Averroes) "Could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even that being could not lift it?"

                      Peace,
                      Respectfully.

                      The Exalted God is Omnipotent, because if He can create a stone which can't be lifted - and He can - then by that Logic, He can create another Tool to lift it, right?

                      I'm saying that, if God can create possible, then that means He can and would create the IMpossible, correct?

                      Glory be to God.
                      Peace.

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                        Rami
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                        Peace,

                        People, when two infinities challenge each other. No side wins. It is a silly paradox. God has power over all things but He is not a thing.

                        Peace,

                        Rami

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