The Main Purpose of Code 19
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Peace Progressive1993,
But even according to the translation that you provided, the count of 19 in nothing ?except a test for those who have rejected?. Everything else results from this and not from the count of 19
7431 We have made the guardians of the fire to be angels; and
Cause
We did not make their number except as a test for those who have rejected,Effect/Purpose
to convince those who were given the book, to strengthen the acknowledgment of those who have acknowledged, so that those who have been given the book and those who acknowledge do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the ingrates would say, "What did God mean by this example?" Thus God misguides whoever/whomever He wishes, and He guides whoever/whomever He wishes. None knows your Lord's soldiers except Him. It is but a reminder for people.Disregarding what the god says and instead falsely claiming that the above is the result of Code 19 means that you are serving Code 19 and not the god.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Progressive1993,
But even according to the translation that you provided, the count of 19 in nothing except a test for those who have rejected. Everything else results from this and not from the count of 19
Disregarding what the god says and instead falsely claiming that the above is the result of Code 19 means that you are serving Code 19 and not the god.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman,
"...to strengthen the acknowledgment of those who have acknowledged, so that those who have been given the book and those who acknowledge do not have doubt..."
You think the fact that there are 19 angels guarding hell is the same in the Quran and in the Bible and Torah is going to convince the Christians and Jews???
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Peace Ayman,
"...to strengthen the acknowledgment of those who have acknowledged, so that those who have been given the book and those who acknowledge do not have doubt..."
You think the fact that there are 19 angels guarding hell is the same in the Quran and in the Bible and Torah is going to convince the Christians and Jews???
This is where the 19 deniers will be stuck forever.
To Q Student, I will say the following about Rashad Khalifa He sometimes did some baseless numerology. If you look for some inconsistencies, I can show you some really baseless numerology in his work. Does it mean that the entirety of his work and discoveries are baseless? Absolutely not. It is again a test for people Are they sincere enough to look at the big picture, evaluate, and acknowledge the part of his work that displays miraculous patterns, or will they focus only on what does not make sense and take it as an excuse to reject the miracle as a whole?For example, try to analyse fairly and sincerely how 9128-129 violate the mathematical structure of the Quran and forget about Rashad Khalifa who is just a human being. It is too easy to focus on Rashad Khalifa instead of the miracle of 19.
I took the time to gather many proofs (old and new) which I honnestly believe are very sound regarding 9128-129; you can take it as a basis to study and make up your mind (unless your mind is already made up...), if you are really sincere and want to get to the bottom of the issue
http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htmI noticed that after at least 4 times we asked you to provide an answer how the alleged 19 forgery would convince both the Jews, Christians, Muslims about the Quran and islam and provide them with certainty. You have so far ran away from the question. I know about the miracle of 19 for 15 years, I have never seen anyone provide even the beginning of a satisfactory answer to this crucial and decisive question. A big blank!
Peace.
Pierre
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This is where the 19 deniers will be stuck forever.
To Q Student, I will say the following about Rashad Khalifa He sometimes did some baseless numerology. If you look for some inconsistencies, I can show you some really baseless numerology in his work. Does it mean that the entirety of his work and discoveries are baseless? Absolutely not. It is again a test for people Are they sincere enough to look at the big picture, evaluate, and acknowledge the part of his work that displays miraculous patterns, or will they focus only on what does not make sense and take it as an excuse to reject the miracle as a whole?For example, try to analyse fairly and sincerely how 9128-129 violate the mathematical structure of the Quran and forget about Rashad Khalifa who is just a human being. It is too easy to focus on Rashad Khalifa instead of the miracle of 19.
I took the time to gather many proofs (old and new) which I honnestly believe are very sound regarding 9128-129; you can take it as a basis to study and make up your mind (unless your mind is already made up...), if you are really sincere and want to get to the bottom of the issue
http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htmI noticed that after at least 4 times we asked you to provide an answer how the alleged 19 forgery would convince both the Jews, Christians, Muslims about the Quran and islam and provide them with certainty. You have so far ran away from the question. I know about the miracle of 19 for 15 years, I have never seen anyone provide even the beginning of a satisfactory answer to this crucial and decisive question. A big blank!
Peace.
Pierre
Dear Brother
I have a simple Quranic CriteriaSince he bluffed and one proof is the Order of revelations which he put at the top of each chapter. (This is just one proof ,otherwise I can provide other bluffs also).
I cannot believe anyperson who is a habitual liar.My Quran does not allow me.
Provide the Evidence that the order of revelation which he shows is not a BLUFF.
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This is where the 19 deniers will be stuck forever.
To Q Student, I will say the following about Rashad Khalifa He sometimes did some baseless numerology. If you look for some inconsistencies, I can show you some really baseless numerology in his work. Does it mean that the entirety of his work and discoveries are baseless? Absolutely not. It is again a test for people Are they sincere enough to look at the big picture, evaluate, and acknowledge the part of his work that displays miraculous patterns, or will they focus only on what does not make sense and take it as an excuse to reject the miracle as a whole?For example, try to analyse fairly and sincerely how 9128-129 violate the mathematical structure of the Quran and forget about Rashad Khalifa who is just a human being. It is too easy to focus on Rashad Khalifa instead of the miracle of 19.
I took the time to gather many proofs (old and new) which I honnestly believe are very sound regarding 9128-129; you can take it as a basis to study and make up your mind (unless your mind is already made up...), if you are really sincere and want to get to the bottom of the issue
http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htmI noticed that after at least 4 times we asked you to provide an answer how the alleged 19 forgery would convince both the Jews, Christians, Muslims about the Quran and islam and provide them with certainty. You have so far ran away from the question. I know about the miracle of 19 for 15 years, I have never seen anyone provide even the beginning of a satisfactory answer to this crucial and decisive question. A big blank!
Peace.
Pierre
Q Student said
Dear Brother
I have a simple Quranic CriteriaSince he bluffed and one proof is the Order of revelations which he put at the top of each chapter. (This is just one proof ,otherwise I can provide other bluffs also).
I cannot believe anyperson who is a habitual liar.My Quran does not allow me.
Provide the Evidence that the order of revelation which he shows is not a BLUFF.
RegardsLet us assume you were right that you found that the order of revelations Rashad provided were incorrect and you found other inconsistencies. What does it prove? If you want to comment something rock solid, let's talk about the way the pure forms of four words of the 19 lettered Bismillah are distributed throughout Quran. Let's talk about many more properties of the Bismillah. But will you dare or will you prefer diversions focusing on some less obvious parts of Rashad's study or mistakes?
How come have you no yet provided an answer about "how the alleged 19 forgery would convince both the Jews, Christians, Muslims about the Quran and Islam and provide them with certainty" (I am still patiently waiting)?
I think that with your "19 forgery theory" you have the solution to convert the world to Islam, just knock on doors in a Christian and Jewish neighborhood, tell them the 19 is a forgery, they will embrace Islam in throngs, their faith will skyrocket....Doesn't it sound like the perfect recipe for success?On the other hand all formerly Christians, Jewish, Muslims and else...who accepted the miracle of 19 will tell you that their faith was greatly strengthened, that they have attained certainty that Quran is the proven Word of God.
And this is just the beginning, because great discoveries have emerged and will continue to emerge until eventually the world will embrace Islam. Great things are in the process of happening.
It is a prophecy that will come to pass. No one in the heavens and the earth can stop it, not even satan. It is the prophecy of 7431. We will soon reach a point that people who rejected will be covered with shame, whether they come back or continue to reject, everyone will know who they really are.Peace.
Pierre
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Let us assume you were right that you found that the order of revelations Rashad provided were incorrect and you found other inconsistencies. What does it prove? If you want to comment something rock solid, let's talk about the way the pure forms of four words of the 19 lettered Bismillah are distributed throughout Quran. Let's talk about many more properties of the Bismillah. But will you dare or will you prefer diversions focusing on some less obvious parts of Rashad's study or mistakes?
How come have you no yet provided an answer about "how the alleged 19 forgery would convince both the Jews, Christians, Muslims about the Quran and Islam and provide them with certainty" (I am still patiently waiting)?
I think that with your "19 forgery theory" you have the solution to convert the world to Islam, just knock on doors in a Christian and Jewish neighborhood, tell them the 19 is a forgery, they will embrace Islam in throngs, their faith will skyrocket....Doesn't it sound like the perfect recipe for success?On the other hand all formerly Christians, Jewish, Muslims and else...who accepted the miracle of 19 will tell you that their faith was greatly strengthened, that they have attained certainty that Quran is the proven Word of God.
And this is just the beginning, because great discoveries have emerged and will continue to emerge until eventually the world will embrace Islam. Great things are in the process of happening.
It is a prophecy that will come to pass. No one in the heavens and the earth can stop it, not even satan. It is the prophecy of 7431. We will soon reach a point that people who rejected will be covered with shame, whether they come back or continue to reject, everyone will know who they really are.Peace.
Pierre
When you accepted RK bluffed.Then what to talk about a cheat ? I do not understand. Just a waste of time and energy. For us Quran is sufficient.
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When you accepted RK bluffed.Then what to talk about a cheat ? I do not understand. Just a waste of time and energy. For us Quran is sufficient.
RegardsYou are avoiding questions. I cannot force you. I was just sincerely trying to help. Don't ever claim I did not try to explain you that people whose faith do not increase when they are confronted to number 19 end up guarded by 19 angels.
Do not ever claim we did not try to explain to you that only the miracle of 19 makes sense in the contect of 7431 because it will convince and increase the faith of people of the book and muslims as well that Quran is the word of God.Peace.
Pierre
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You are avoiding questions. I cannot force you. I was just sincerely trying to help. Don't ever claim I did not try to explain you that people whose faith do not increase when they are confronted to number 19 end up guarded by 19 angels.
Do not ever claim we did not try to explain to you that only the miracle of 19 makes sense in the contect of 7431 because it will convince and increase the faith of people of the book and muslims as well that Quran is the word of God.Peace.
Pierre
Please you are a cheat (RK) follower, code worshipper. Do not expect from any Allah worshipper that he will waste his time in such non sense bluffs.
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Please you are a cheat (RK) follower, code worshipper. Do not expect from any Allah worshipper that he will waste his time in such non sense bluffs.
RegardsPeace Q_student,
You have correctly said about Rashad Khalifa and his blind followe Pierre.
Peace,
K.Vivekanandan
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Peace 6619,
I noticed that after at least 4 times we asked you to provide an answer how the alleged 19 forgery would convince both the Jews, Christians, Muslims about the Quran and islam and provide them with certainty. You have so far ran away from the question. I know about the miracle of 19 for 15 years, I have never seen anyone provide even the beginning of a satisfactory answer to this crucial and decisive question. A big blank!
The question has been answered many times both here and on the 19.org forum with the correct reading of 7431. What results in covincing the people of the book (not Christians, Jews and Muslims who may have never even read the book and are happy with blindly following their clergy) is the realization that the count/counting of 19 is ONLY a temptation for the disbelievers. Once the people of the book realize the above underlined fact then they will be convinced of the truth. I have seen it happen many times, including by those who used to be unbelievers and were attracted to Code 19 and then they disregarded Code 19 and believed in the great reading. Once they became believers, they realized that the counting of 19 is nothing but a temptation for the disbelievers and they increased in faith. Now they believe in the great reading more than they ever believed in it while they were attracted to the temptation of Code 19.
Peace,
Ayman
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People who belive in Code 19, do NOT worship it. The places of worship belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.
7421 Then he looked
7422 Then he frowned and scowled
7423 Then he turned away in arrogance
7424 He said, "This is nothing but an impressive magic."
7425 "This is nothing but the words of a human."(NOTE You fulfilled a prophecy)
7426 I will cast him in the Saqar
7427 Do you know what Saqar is?
7428 It does not spare nor leave anything
7429 Manifest to all the people
7430 On it is nineteen
7431 We have made the guardians of the fire to be angels; and We did not make their number except as a test for those who have rejected, to convince those who were given the book, to strengthen the acknowledgment of those who have acknowledged, so that those who have been given the book and those who acknowledge do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the ingrates would say, "What did God mean by this example?" Thus God misguides whoever/whomever He wishes, and He guides whoever/whomever He wishes. None knows your Lord's soldiers except Him. It is but a reminder for people.The first verse 11 known as "Basmallah" consists of 19 letters.
The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is 19X6
From the missing Basmalla of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalla of Sura 27, there are precisely 19 Suras
Sura 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of 19 verses
This first Chronological sura is placed atop the last 19 surasThe total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19X334 (6234 numbered
verses and 112 unnumbered verses (Basmalla). 6234+112=6346. notice also that 6+3+4+6= 19Why 19?
The word "Wahid" itself, (one) has a numerical value of 19. W=6, A=1, H=8, D= 4. These are a well known values.and so on...
for more info...
http//www.submission.org/tampering.htmlBesides, do you think it is a coincidence that God did not sign the chapter (9) with a basmallah where the false verses were added???
Would God sign the chapter that contained/still contains (in some translations) the two false verses???!!
Is this yet another "coincidence"??
Peace, brother
salam,
was it also mere coincidence that there was a real tree for adam and his wife to be forbidden from coming near it? it is obvious that a tree must exist before someone can be forbidden from it.
now, can you or any one of the champions of what you call or refer to as "code 19" (a name nowhere to be found in the book the great alqur'an) explain to me what does the statement "and we have not rendered their count to be but a fitnat for those who" mean?sincerely
khodr