And God Said: "Let there be Evolution"
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I am very excited to hear the news of a new book co-authored by brother Dr. Shanavas, the aothor of Creation and/or Evolution and the contributor Critical Thinker of our annual anthology. Here is his letter
Assalamu Alaikum
Glad to inform you that the Book that I co-authored is in Amazon pre-publication list.
Outside me, the other authors and editors are Howard J. Van Till is Professor Emeritus of Physics and Astronomy at Calvin College, located in Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA. He is a Founding Member of the International Society for Science and Religion, has served on the Executive Council of the American Scientific Affiliation, and is a member of the Editorial Board of Science and Christian Belief. He is the author of numerous books, book chapters, and essays on this theme. Rabbi David Kay is an entomologist formerly from the University of Chicago
Editors Charlie Wynn, Professor at the University of Connecticut and Professor Arthur Wiggins of Oakland University.
http//www.amazon.com/God-Said-Let-There-Evolution/dp/1601642687/ref=...
T.O. Shanavas
I don't believe in evolution(macro). But most scientist do so I guess I can't complain. I myself however have studied as much as I can on this issue and I agree with Dr. Jonathan Wells in this matter.
http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6589272663573268460&ei=VXwQSpewM4Sv-AaH_9WRBw&q=jonathan+wells&hl=en&emb=1
http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1820615003597152673&ei=VXwQSpewM4Sv-AaH_9WRBw&q=jonathan+wells&hl=en&emb=1
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Interesting! It was definitely there when I last linked to it, a few months ago. I am assuming google randomly add/remove pages in its preview book function? If so, I never knew that. Bro Arnold quoted it on the forum before, I found it for you
"One should then look at the world of Creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedles plants. The last stage of plants such as palms and vine sis connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power to touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group. The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man ( after the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends."
About 400 years before Darwin.
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Woahh, someone edited Ibn Khaldun's wikipedia from the time it took me to get to the library to my home. I wanted to read more about his stance on hadith and his admiration of the persian empire.
I know there was one famous Islamic Philospher-Scientist-Theologian (Man of Reason, yay who rejected hadith in Islamic history. Was that Khaldun?
Thanks for the post Wakas, and, yes, I think Google Books removes pages at random.
Curse Wikipedia, for not being static! O0
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Peace Edip,
I am very excited to hear the news of a new book co-authored by brother Dr. Shanavas, the aothor of Creation and/or Evolution and the contributor Critical Thinker of our annual anthology. Here is his letter
Assalamu Alaikum
Glad to inform you that the Book that I co-authored is in Amazon pre-publication list.
Outside me, the other authors and editors are Howard J. Van Till is Professor Emeritus of Physics and Astronomy at Calvin College, located in Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA. He is a Founding Member of the International Society for Science and Religion, has served on the Executive Council of the American Scientific Affiliation, and is a member of the Editorial Board of Science and Christian Belief. He is the author of numerous books, book chapters, and essays on this theme. Rabbi David Kay is an entomologist formerly from the University of Chicago
Editors Charlie Wynn, Professor at the University of Connecticut and Professor Arthur Wiggins of Oakland University.
http//www.amazon.com/God-Said-Let-There-Evolution/dp/1601642687/ref=...
T.O. Shanavas
I can't recall that in the Quran there is an Ayah saying "And God said Let there be Evolution", or only "Let there be Evolution". Can you point it out for me, Edip? Thank you.
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Edip,
I asked
I can't recall that in the Quran there is an Ayah saying "And God said Let there be Evolution", or only "Let there be Evolution". Can you point it out for me, Edip? Thank you.
I will repeat the thing that you will keep running away from where is it in the Quran where YOU, EDIP, SAID that Allah said "And God said Let there be Evolution", or only "Let there be Evolution"? I am waiting for yet another of your transgressions on Allah.
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Big Bang ---> elements + time ---> POOF algae 3 billion years old; still a pain in my pond today...lol
more time ---> monkey, monkey, monkey... POOF humans -- so like which monkey was Adam?
According to theory has to have a belly button, father, grandfather, great-grand-monkey, right?
http//volger.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/240gorilla01.jpg
While we are on the subject; when did people not have belly buttons?
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Evolution Theory shall remain a theory! Man has distinct identity that makes him not part of evolution! No creature has any of the emotions that man possesses such as laughter, anger, sadness, anguish, fear, apprehension, depression, euphoria etc. And man is a mixture of all these emotions at any point of time; man is weighed on his emotional stability i.e., despite all emotions he shall have semblance of peace that makes him a human. Only man has the mind; and mind is not an evolved one. It is unique for human species.
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Big Bang ---> elements + time ---> POOF algae 3 billion years old; still a pain in my pond today...lol
"Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?" (2130)
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Evolution Theory shall remain a theory! Man has distinct identity that makes him not part of evolution! No creature has any of the emotions that man possesses such as laughter, anger, sadness, anguish, fear, apprehension, depression, euphoria etc. And man is a mixture of all these emotions at any point of time; man is weighed on his emotional stability i.e., despite all emotions he shall have semblance of peace that makes him a human. Only man has the mind; and mind is not an evolved one. It is unique for human species.
Ever had a pet?
I don't believe that only humans have all those emotions, or mind for that matter. You can see various mental qualities in non-human animals.
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"Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?" (2130)
- Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
This is talking about the Solar system and not big bang. This is the problem with some Koranist who went to interpret the Koran in English and not translate the Koran to English. A translation is a linguistic process and not an interpretive one. I don't know why Koranist run away to the outside world and start translating the Koran and authoring books before even convincing the others of their interpretation. Thats why I think after all these years the Koranist persuasion is still minimal in exposure. There is no unity and everyone is acting individually. You would think a movement that started to emerge in the 1890s would by now claim a large share of at least the Muslim market. But there is no organization and no unity.
