Intercourse: Allowed During Fasting!
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"Logic is the study of the principles of valid demonstration and inference
Logic means to be engaged in the learning or understanding process of a subject say, the principles. So keep your cool and be humble while you are in the process of learning the principles, the basic rules of understanding.
With regard to valid demonstration and inference In demonstration, can there be invalid demonstration too? That's nice! Then the inference is abstract thought or logical conclusion.
Then the Logic .... it is not the end neither what you conclude is the Truth.
Your LOL proves you have run out of points.
Welcome.
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Salam,
what is the goal for fasting?
I think it is to abstain what you do usually, eating, drinking and sex.The word SYAM as per Lanes mean exactly that abstain from food, drink and coitus!!!!!
So either you change the definition of the word SYAM either you change your mind.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000473.pdf
best regards
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Salam,
what is the goal for fasting?
I think it is to abstain what you do usually, eating, drinking and sex.The word SYAM as per Lanes mean exactly that abstain from food, drink and coitus!!!!!
So either you change the definition of the word SYAM either you change your mind.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000473.pdf
Intercourse Allowed during the day of fasting
Peace,
Fasting is to make us free from the hateful, contemptuous and despised life of shirk, thus purifying us. A day consists of night and day. During the night part we are made to sleep and Allah relieves us of all our activities so that our committing shirk is in the least. Then as the day breaks we enter into the devising, planning and the plotting starts aiming at money, a possession of and a provision for the people thus starting the earth shattering, shirky business till dusk, late in the evening. This part of our odious life and its evil must be undone. So fasting starts from the day break to night break during which period we shall not eat or drink from the shirky money we had earned for our lively hood all these years. Now very important thing to do is to spend the shirky money in the good cause, believing Allah shall make the remaining provisions pure for us. And even more important is that we shall enter our business with fear for Allah and deal with the customers in righteous manner so that Allah will make us prosper in all possible manner.
Thus intercourse as not allowed during day time of fasting is out of purview of fasting and is man-made restriction; and it is not Allah-ordained.
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Intercourse Allowed during the day of fasting
Peace,
Fasting is to make us free from the hateful, contemptuous and despised life of shirk, thus purifying us. A day consists of night and day. During the night part we are made to sleep and Allah relieves us of all our activities so that our committing shirk is in the least. Then as the day breaks we enter into the devising, planning and the plotting starts aiming at money, a possession of and a provision for the people thus starting the earth shattering, shirky business till dusk, late in the evening. This part of our odious life and its evil must be undone. So fasting starts from the day break to night break during which period we shall not eat or drink from the shirky money we had earned for our lively hood all these years. Now very important thing to do is to spend the shirky money in the good cause, believing Allah shall make the remaining provisions pure for us. And even more important is that we shall enter our business with fear for Allah and deal with the customers in righteous manner so that Allah will make us prosper in all possible manner.
Thus intercourse as not allowed during day time of fasting is out of purview of fasting and is man-made restriction; and it is not Allah-ordained.
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Dear Brother
Why is it so ?
Someone is very keen to have sex before marriage.
Someone is very keen to have intercourse during fasting.
Cann't you guys control yourself ?
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Dear Brother
Why is it so ?
Someone is very keen to have sex before marriage.
Someone is very keen to have intercourse during fasting.
Cann't you guys control yourself ?
RegardsBrother,
It is not the question of control or no control; it is only the question of allowed or not allowed. Control is force on oneself; it is the righteousness that shall guide you and not the force of control. In this angle too the unwarranted restriction on intercourse is man-devised.
Peace.
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With regard to valid demonstration and inference In demonstration, can there be invalid demonstration too? That's nice! Then the inference is abstract thought or logical conclusion.
Actually yes... there can be invalid demonstration. Case in point your entire argument on this thread is a perfect example of invalid demonstration. Because it is based in the false premise that abstaining from sex is the cause of impurity. (lol) By this argument, prostitutes and pimps are probably more "pure" then priests and nuns then, yea?
Logic means to be engaged in the learning or understanding process of a subject say, the principles. So keep your cool and be humble while you are in the process of learning the principles, the basic rules of understanding.
Wrong. Logic involves valid demonstration. In that department, you have nothing. Therefore, you can not claim your argument is logical. And by the way, I have no illusions of false humility like you.
Your LOL proves you have run out of points.
LOL... rite... keep telling yourself that chief. )
PeAcE
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Actually yes... there can be invalid demonstration. Case in point your entire argument on this thread is a perfect example of invalid demonstration. Because it is based in the false premise that abstaining from sex is the cause of impurity. (lol) By this argument, prostitutes and pimps are probably more "pure" then priests and nuns then, yea? LOL... rite... keep telling yourself that chief.
You are a laughing gas I understand. And you are some student Tom, being taught by some Dick or being tutored by some Harry; you have no originality of your own. Read the entire argument over and over; and again and again. My argument is not at all in those lines. Try your luck again and train yourself as to how read an intuitional message.
Wrong. Logic involves valid demonstration. In that department, you have nothing. Therefore, you can not claim your argument is logical. And by the way, I have no illusions of false humility like you.
Please keep going about your dictionary until you know at least logic can have no place in dictionary. Good Luck!
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PeAcE
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Please keep going about your dictionary until you know at least logic can have no place in dictionary.
I suggest you take a course in basic grammar and syntax, before lecturing others on theological epistemology professor.
My argument is not at all in those lines. Try your luck again and train yourself as to how read an intuitional message.
Actually, I did not misunderstand your "argument", I reduced it to its basic premise. The fact being you never had an actual "argument" to begin with. All you had was an "intuitional message" based on a faulty (and completely laughable) assumption. Basically, a delusion wrapped in a pretense, encased in a suggestion, all posing as an "argument".
You are a laughing gas I understand. And you are some student Tom, being taught by some Dick or being tutored by some Harry; you have no originality of your own.
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... Im really impressed.
PeAcE
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You are a laughing gas I understand. And you are some student Tom, being taught by some Dick or being tutored by some Harry; you have no originality of your own.
... Im really impressed.
PeAcE
Thanks for your impressive acceptance.
Please keep going about your dictionary until you know at least logic can have no place in dictionary.
I suggest you take a course in basic grammar and syntax, before lecturing others on theological epistemology professor.
Student, you are still at your basics of logic. It is beyond the limits of knowledge and language; Logic has neither language nor grammar; and when you try to frame logic into definition using a language, its grammar and syntax you are very much materialistic speaking theories. You have a long way to go. Good Luck. I will be patient with you, until you learn. Use your syntax and tell me
- What is the Truth?
- What is God?
- What is Life?
- What is death?
- What is belief?
- What is mind?
- What is faith?
I will tell you if you fail. Without conventional application of grammar and syntax I will make you understand. Please try to reach your maturity.
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Asking me the sort of silly questions that Pilate asked Jesus (PBUH) reminds me of an idiot I know.
I take pity on him, as I take pity on you.
But its fine... since we already know you have no hope of actually demonstrating or defending an actual argument. I will leave you to your musings.
PeAcE
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Asking me the sort of silly questions that Pilate asked Jesus (PBUH) reminds me of an idiot I know.
What an idea of grandeur! You Jesus; and I am Pilate!
Which Book did you read? Bible? What you are talking is, may be, the hadith of Jesus, like the Hadith of Muhammad you follow in your religion. Asking such valuable questions seem silly for you; and you believe your tantrums and chatters make sense. You are a pirate simply steal away the pages from any fable of fancy and speak here to make others feel as if you have something to utter. If such questions were thrown at Isa, he would have soulfully considered it as his first duty to answer each and every one of it. Those who follow quran alone can understand the veracity of the prophets and the messengers of Allah.
I take pity on him, as I take pity on you.
Answer the questions!
But its fine... since we already know you have no hope of actually demonstrating or defending an actual argument. I will leave you to your musings.
We means? The entire free-minds are behind you? You must be ashamed to speak a lie like this as any sensible person shall feel. But I know you do not belong to that kind of mentality.
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Which Book did you read? Bible? What you are talking is, may be, the hadith of Jesus, like the Hadith of Muhammad you follow in your religion.
John chapter 18, verse 38 of the Gospel of John
( LoL @ FAIL! )
What an idea of grandeur! You Jesus; and I am Pilate!
yeah !!!
like its my fault you asked the same question )
Answer the questions!
Why? so you can start a fruitless debate to distract from the defeat you suffered at the hands of a "young student" like me? After all, why should someone who is so beneath you in intellect be allowed to get away pretending like he owned you on the internet... rite professor?
The fact is that all people who ask such questions have no actual intention of meaningful discovery. Pilate had no intention of letting Jesus PBUH go free. He just wanted to seem like he did. That is all you want to achieve, a semblance of rationality, is all you are after. A justification of your own bias and ignorance. Your shallowness is amusing, and sad at the same time. Most of you academics are the same (although, I seriously doubt you have any real credentials "doctor". Then again... even if you had a PhD, I have listened to enough useless morons lecturing with a "dr." in front of their name to know such titles are a joke.
The entire free-minds are behind you?
God Forbid!! yuck shudders
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Dear brothers and sisters,
There were no abrogation in Quran. Allah does not correct His own words and ayats. It is only the wrong understanding of the ayat that led the people talk on subjects such as Allah has abrogated the verses of Quran. One of the ayats cited with reference to abrogation is 2 187! Here is an analysis of the ayat in its correct sense.
In 2 187
Thus Ramadhan is explained!
The Myth before the ayat descended; and
The Truth after the ayat descended!The Myth It is not allowed for you to be with your wives on the night of fasting.
The Truth It is allowed for you to be with your wives on the nights of fasting because the fasting period is only during the day time. With this ayat the confusion created by the people then, were given a clear explanation and the controversy ended there.But then, the same confusion persisted with the day time whether it is allowed to be with the wives are not.
The Myth You cannot!
The Truth You can! Allah is aware that you deceive yourselves in privacy; He forgave you with Mercy; It is like passing urine which you have to voluntarily void; It is like passing motion which you have to actively evacuate; similarly so, as the semen builds, fills and swells up it is to be let out in the just manner. So, henceforth make gains with your wives as permitted by Allah.When you shall not be with your wives?
The Myth Do not have intercourse when you are in the mosques in Allah's remembrance
The Truth join not your wives when you are in your houses in Allah's remembrance;-
such is the limit set by Allah; and never trespass; thus Allah makes His signs clear inorder that you may ward off.Please think afresh and say something solidly from your own senses with points valid. It will be greatly appreciated if 1500 years old stories and hear says are not repeated here. Any original contributions?
May Allah Bless Us All In This!
Masha Allah!Ponder over this. Allah has clearly mentioned and Praise the Lord for giving wisdom to Dr.Fazl. Is there any one pondering on this tiny dusty earth for the sake of GOOD. Almighty is keeping patience with us...Oh Lord forgive me for writing this...
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Most of you academics are the same (although, I seriously doubt you have any real credentials "doctor". Then again... even if you had a PhD, I have listened to enough useless morons lecturing with a "dr." in front of their name to know such titles are a joke.
I have a PhD (Astrophysics) and I have no idea on this subject. Education does not mean intelligence, nor does it mean knowledge or original thought, it only means the ability to retain some information and to regurgitate it when prompted by the right question.
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I have a PhD (Astrophysics) and I have no idea on this subject. Education does not mean intelligence, nor does it mean knowledge or original thought, it only means the ability to retain some information and to regurgitate it when prompted by the right question.
Wise man hmm
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I have a PhD (Astrophysics) and I have no idea on this subject. Education does not mean intelligence, nor does it mean knowledge or original thought, it only means the ability to retain some information and to regurgitate it when prompted by the right question.
Indeed only such of the people answer/respond who listen ;
Root to cut; perforate. For answering one has to cut the data from the memory, transport it to the chest, the cut data/idea will create air pressure which will vibrate the hablil warid, the rope that makes reach, resulting in conversion of thought into bussy sound which will reach mouth where tongue and lips will articulte the sound which will be thrown out as recognizable speech comprising words of the language of the listner. Knowledge/Ilm is only that which could be narrated/conveyed for the perception of others. Roots of Arabic language are too scientific.
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Indeed only such of the people answer/respond who listen ;
Root to cut; perforate. For answering one has to cut the data from the memory, transport it to the chest, the cut data/idea will create air pressure which will vibrate the hablil warid, the rope that makes reach, resulting in conversion of thought into bussy sound which will reach mouth where tongue and lips will articulte the sound which will be thrown out as recognizable speech comprising words of the language of the listner. Knowledge/Ilm is only that which could be narrated/conveyed for the perception of others. Roots of Arabic language are too scientific.
One of the requirements for intelligence is the ability to listen, logically learn from the information received and to put it to good use.
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One of the requirements for intelligence is the ability to listen and logically learn from the information received and to put it to good use.
Exactly. "Logically learn" i.e. co relating, finding the relationships, similarities and differences; differentiating fact and conjecture; and is the stage/possible only after data/information is gained.
And these are the examples which we give/quote for the benefit of the people. But no one can reflect/ponder/analyze these except those who have the relevant information/data/knowledge.