Is the Quran really easy to understand?
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Peace,
Thanks for extending on my post.
I remember getting frustrated not understanding some parts of the Quran, even though I know Arabic and read several English translations side by side.
There might be some parts in the Quran that may not apply to us because such situation does not yet exist. And when such situation does occur, for example 'the dabbah', the people will refer to the Quran and think "wait, this has been predicted in the Quran". It will continue to surprise people. This will strengthen the faiths of those who "understand" and attract those who disbelieved. And unfortunately, there will always be people with a "disease" in their hearts who will continue to ignore the miracles of the Quran, the true words of God.
The Quran isn't just a book that was sent down once. Its messages are being slowly revealed over time.In the meantime, we should stop arguing about the parts of the Quran we do not understand. God will reveal its meaning in its own time. It could be in this lifetime, shortly before Judgement day eg the 'Dabbah' or in Heaven, God willing, eg how heaven looks like and who are the Houris? All we can do is try our best to follow the Quran alone and take from it what we do understand, and try to figure out what we do not understand.
What phenomenon is being talked about?
Only time will tell, God willing.
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37 He is the one who sent down to you the scripture, from which there are governing verses; they are the essence of the scripture; and others which are similar/allegorical. As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar/allegorical from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except the god. And those who are well founded in knowledge say ?We believe in it, all is from our lord.? And none will remember except the people of understanding.
He is the One Who has since sent you, the Messenger the Book,
from/within him/that Book are Aaya'at the peculiarity/individuality of which is made to/that they contain straight/stable/permanent /injunctions/ commands/prescribed social conduct;
these Aaya'at are the essence/purpose of sending the Book ;
and other than those are Aa'ya'at that explain hidden physical facts with metaphors.
For this reason/making it an excuse, those people who have inclination/atilt in their hearts keep physically pursuing that from the Book whatever was individually perceived as vague/confusing with the objective of spreading disturbance/confusion/liquefying/distancing people and in pursuit to find his/its ultimate result/objective perception,
but none knows/have the knowledge ultimate objective perception of him/that except Allah; and the holders of in-depth knowledge/scientists/experts/true believers
they say; "We believe in that, the Book, it all/entirely is from our Sustainer Lord".
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And none remembers/cautioned except those who look into matters objectively without overlapping it with emotions/prejudices/biases/whims/caprices. -
Peace
Application. Apply what you know so far. Study the book, live the book, and as you grow in understanding modify your practice. Too much theory out there, not enough pragmatic usage. Theoretical persuits can only take you so far on the journey .
Joe
Peace.
Yes of course. We can't sit down all day until we know everything.
Each person needs to practice what they know. God will judge us on what we know. And also on what we have done to find the truth, so we cannot stop. We cannot wait for God to reveal things for us. Searching for knowledge and the practice of it is a lifelong journey and our reason for being. Not only the individual's lifetime, but the lifetime of humanity.
In my opinion. the quran wasn't a one-off revelation, God will reveal things for us over time.Thanks for your input and God bless )
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Peace nsws1988
Peace.
Yes of course. We can't sit down all day until we know everything.
Each person needs to practice what they know. God will judge us on what we know. And also on what we have done to find the truth, so we cannot stop. We cannot wait for God to reveal things for us. Searching for knowledge and the practice of it is a lifelong journey and our reason for being. Not only the individual's lifetime, but the lifetime of humanity.
In my opinion. the quran wasn't a one-off revelation, God will reveal things for us over time.Thanks for your input and God bless )
{quote}Peace
Comprehension and understanding of The Qur'an varies from person to person , depending on how much effort one puts into it as well as our sincerety . As we know there is no 'spontaneous' knowledge . each person aquires knowledge through gradual process , but it will help to understand more of The Qur'an if you have more experience as well as knowing other disciplines , be it social science or the exact sciences . Anyway , you'll know yourself how easy The Qur'an is to understand as you learn and practise what what you have learned from it . Agreed 100% with what 'The Nabi' said above .
No one can't know the Qur'an all at once , but as we grow intellectually and spiritually as well as the availabity of new tools of learning , we will get there God Willing . May Allah increase our knowledge and wisdom .
Peace
almarh0m
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Peace
Application. Apply what you know so far. Study the book, live the book, and as you grow in understanding modify your practice. Too much theory out there, not enough pragmatic usage. Theoretical persuits can only take you so far on the journey .
Joe
The basic purpose of reading a book is to find clue for action. Once one reads a book then it is the right of the book that either it should be discarded with rational argument otherwise accepted for physical following.
What Nabi said, Qur'aan supports him.Whatever you have read, then put it into physical action by exactly following it as you have perceived. Afterwards it was to be made distinct/evident by Allah by sending other verses. On keep reading one will find the explanation/ deeper understanding of one verse with another verse. Allah keeps revolving the Aay'aat to make things distinct, segregated, evident.
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Peace truthseeker11, I disagree with your translation of verse 37.
37 He is the one who sent down to you the scripture, from which there are governing verses; they are the essence of the scripture; and others which are similar/allegorical. As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar/allegorical from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except the god. And those who are well founded in knowledge say ?We believe in it, all is from our lord.? And none will remember except the people of understanding.
Here is my justification for the disagreement
Quran contains clear verses.
Quran contains unclear verses.
Bad people use the unclear verses to divert peoples.
Note Bad people do not follow the clear verses either. They are helper of satan.
This is the category of people the God is referring to in the verse 37.
The good people (believer) follow the clear verses without any doubt whatsoever.
Some of the good people (believer) try to understand the meaning of unclear verses as the Quran is full of wisdom.
2269 - He bestows wisdom upon whomever He chooses, and whoever attains wisdom, has attained a great bounty. Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.
The God is not forbidding the good people (believer) from seeking the meaning (studying) of the unclear verses; you are, via your translation.
Can you show me Quranic evidence that forbids believer from studying the whole Quran?
1591 - They accept the Quran only partially.
482 - Why do they not study the Quran carefully?
The Quran instructs us to study the whole Quran.
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Peace truthseeker11, I disagree with your translation of verse 37.
37 He is the one who sent down to you the scripture, from which there are governing verses; they are the essence of the scripture; and others which are similar/allegorical. As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar/allegorical from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except the god. And those who are well founded in knowledge say ?We believe in it, all is from our lord.? And none will remember except the people of understanding.
Here is my justification for the disagreement
Quran contains clear verses.
Quran contains unclear verses.
Bad people use the unclear verses to divert peoples.
Note Bad people do not follow the clear verses either. They are helper of satan.
This is the category of people the God is referring to in the verse 37.
The good people (believer) follow the clear verses without any doubt whatsoever.
Some of the good people (believer) try to understand the meaning of unclear verses as the Quran is full of wisdom.
2269 - He bestows wisdom upon whomever He chooses, and whoever attains wisdom, has attained a great bounty. Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.
The God is not forbidding the good people (believer) from seeking the meaning (studying) of the unclear verses; you are, via your translation.
Can you show me Quranic evidence that forbids believer from studying the whole Quran?
1591 - They accept the Quran only partially.
482 - Why do they not study the Quran carefully?
The Quran instructs us to study the whole Quran.
Please read through the ninth page of this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598270.120
especially Edip Yuksel's post.Peace
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Peace
Application. Apply what you know so far. Study the book, live the book, and as you grow in understanding modify your practice. Too much theory out there, not enough pragmatic usage. Theoretical persuits can only take you so far on the journey .
Joe
That sounds like brilliant advice.
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Quran contains clear verses.
Quran contains unclear verses.
Which word of the Quran could be translated as "unclear"?
Peace
I have not come across the word unclear in the Quran. Like I said, I could be wrong and would appreciate some input.
If you reread my first post on this thread, you will find my reasons for thinking that certain verses in the Quran are unclear.God bless
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Peace
I have not come across the word unclear in the Quran. Like I said, I could be wrong and would appreciate some input.
If you reread my first post on this thread, you will find my reasons for thinking that certain verses in the Quran are unclear.God bless
He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses
I have read other translations and they are the same.
God bless
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37 - He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses??
From above verse one can conclude that there are two categories of verses in the Quran i.e. straightforward category and multiple-meaning category
In my previous post I have equated straightforward = clear and multiple-meaning = unclear. Those are poor choice of words.
Mazhar, thank you for pointing it out to me.
I am amending my previous post on this thread to the following
Peace truthseeker11, I disagree with your translation of verse 37.
37 He is the one who sent down to you the scripture, from which there are governing verses; they are the essence of the scripture; and others which are similar/allegorical. As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar/allegorical from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except the god. And those who are well founded in knowledge say ?We believe in it, all is from our lord.? And none will remember except the people of understanding.
Here is my justification for the disagreement
Quran contains straightforward verses.
Quran contains multiple-meaning verses.
Bad people use the multiple-meaning verses to divert peoples.
Note Bad people do not follow the straightforward verses either. They are helper of satan.
This is the category of people the God is referring to in the verse 37.
The good people (believer) follow the straightforward verses without any doubt whatsoever.
Some of the good people (believer) try to understand the meaning of multiple-meaning verses as the Quran is full of wisdom.
2269 - He bestows wisdom upon whomever He chooses, and whoever attains wisdom, has attained a great bounty. Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.
The God is not forbidding the good people (believer) from seeking the meaning (studying) of the multiple-meaning verses; you are, via your translation.
Can you show me Quranic evidence that forbids believer from studying the whole Quran?
1591 - They accept the Quran only partially.
482 - Why do they not study the Quran carefully?
The Quran instructs us to study the whole Quran.
Peace to all.
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Peace nsws1988,
Quote ?I have read other translations and they are the same.?
The difference we are talking about is this
37 ?------ None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. ---?
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37 ?----- But none know its interpretation except the god. And those who are well founded in knowledge say -----?
Please note where the period is in the above two translations. One allows comprehension of multiple-meaning verses by the believer and the other doesn?t.
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Peace nsws1988,
Quote ?I have read other translations and they are the same.?
The difference we are talking about is this
37 ?------ None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. ---?
Vs.
37 ?----- But none know its interpretation except the god. And those who are well founded in knowledge say -----?
Please note where the period is in the above two translations. One allows comprehension of multiple-meaning verses by the believer and the other doesn?t.
Peace
I was referring to the part about the allegorical verses, but I hadn't compared the translation of the rest of the verse. I'll look into that one. Thanks!
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Peace nsws1988,
Quote ?I have read other translations and they are the same.?
The difference we are talking about is this
37 ?------ None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. ---?
Vs.
37 ?----- But none know its interpretation except the god. And those who are well founded in knowledge say -----?
Please note where the period is in the above two translations. One allows comprehension of multiple-meaning verses by the believer and the other doesn?t.
Peace guest, all
I think the translation should be
37 ?----- But none know its original interpretation except the god. And those who are well founded in knowledge say -----?
The word used in Arabic is "ta?weelahu", from the same root as "awwal" meaning "first", and that would give "its first intended meaning".
37 ?----- But none know its first intended meaning except the god. And those who are well founded in knowledge say -----?
Thus, anybody has the right to understand the scripture, but nobody can claim to know its first intended meaning. This is the beauty of this verse, it is telling us that it is vain to argue about the meaning of the similar/not so clear verses, because anyway, only the god knows and we have no way to ask the author of this book about what he meant... And those who are well founded in knowledge say everything is from the god. Thus, we have to study the scripture but not spend all our time arguing about its "not so clear verses", instead we have to look around us, the god the truth is everywhere. We should not limit ourselves.
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Peace
One should not expect to understand "all of The Qur'an " in one's life time , after all god has not created an all knowing human being yet . Of course it does not mean that we should not try to understand as much of the Qur'an as we are able to . The Qur'an is easy if all we want is moral guidance and obeying "The Law of God" for our salvation here and hereafter . We should be able to extract as much knowledge and wisdom from the Qur'an as the effort that we put in to understand it .
Cheers
almarh0m