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    Bosnian_Thinker
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    Hi to all sun
    I usually don't post and prefer to read but I'm going through a very hard time now and need some advice.

    To sum up the situation, I'm a Muslim, God brought me to discover Islam about 4 years ago, THANKS GOD, and my parents are Christians.
    My father sexually abused me when I was young until I left his house when I was 18. I had continued to see him and visit my parents, and act like a "normal family" but at one point I started to get very mentally ill from the side effects of the abuse because until I was about 24 years old, I really didn't fully realise what had happend to me. I had blocked out a lot of the abuse from my childhood and had not dealed with it or gotten any kind of help but at one point, you cannot block it out anymore and when the gates open, everything comes flooding out! Flashbacks, nightmares, abnormal behavior, anxiety attacks. I will not go into details or explain how abuse manifests itself but just to say that when you are abused, you feel guilty, ashamed and you can still love the abuser and seek for their approval and love. It's screwed up and dealing with these emotions almost makes you want to jump off a building instead of feeling them. My father also loves to mentally torture the rest of my family including my poor mother who has suffered this for years and doesn't even realise what she endures every day of her life since it is kind of "normal" for her now to be treated like this. My mother and brother were witnesses to little things like my father's pinching my nipples and butt while passing by me, grabbing my head and stuffing his tongue down my ear, that was the abuse that everyone saw but nobody did nothing to stop or help and that was probably because they were too scared of my father because he was a very aggressive and violent man.
    5 years ago, after I consulted a psychologist because I thought that I was slowly going crazy and I had fallen into alcohol, drugs, partying, abusing my own body as a punishment (tattoos, peircings, completely shaving off my hair from my head like Britner Spears,....).
    The psychologist advised me that I should cut ties with my father and start to heal myself. My mother was so sad that I suddenly cut ties with my father and refused to go to visit her at her house where they both lived. I would go to meet her at her work, we would go out to do things together but I refused to go to her house. She loves to have me over for dinner and pretend that we are the "perfect family". I love her so much and I always felt so bad that I was making her very sad to not go over to see her on holidays. She loves Christmas, and I could see her suffer when she would ask me every year to go over and I would say no. She would ask me to go over on every Christian holiday and I would refuse. The day I decided to cut ties with my father, I felt an enormous amount of weight released from my chest. Every year, I would feel better. No more anxiety attacks, no more suffering of the side effects. In that time, I was brought by God to discover Islam, which helped me so much.
    Early this year, I left my country and went to accept a business proposition to open a new business in another country. Once there, I had a bad experience and one partner of my new business in this new country decided that I was no longer needed and wanted me out of the company. He acused me of stealing, which was not true, and I was jailed for 3 months 10 days in a 3rd world country....it was very bad. In this time, my mother did her best to help me, send me money and just be supportive. I got out, acquited of all charges, THANK GOD, and left the country the moment that I got out of jail. I returned to my country but I didn't have a place of my own to come back to because when I left my country, I gave up my apartment. Obvioulsly, I was not in the best of shape after enduring a trial that the outcome was 15 years of jail but then the decision was reversed at the court of appeal, I was malnourished and mentally not all there. My mother came to the airport to pick me up. I had asked her to contact my ex-husband so that he could take me in for a while until I get back on my feet. He had accepted (we are still on good terms and help each other when needed). But when she was driving back from the airport, she decided that she was bringing me to her house....where my father also lives. When I was in jail, I had 104 days to think about my life, where I was heading, what I was doing. When you are in a situation like this, you realise many things that you should change to become a better person and I thought alot about my mother and my father. I thought that maybe I should just give my father another chance since my mother kept on telling me all the time during the 5 years that since I cut ties with him, that he had changed, that he cried for me, that he missed me. In jail, I had nothing. One pair of pants, one sweater and the only thing I was dying for was a Quran but I had nobody to bring me one. I was dying to read the words of the Quran to help me, guide me. In the country that I was jailed, it is an ultra Christian country and many people, even in this day and age, have no idea what Islam is and nobody had a Quran nor could they get one in because the guards revise everything that is brought into the jail and they would not let it in. I did remeber passages that talked about respecting and obeying your parents and that this was maybe the time to turn to God and accept to forgive and move on, to love and respect my parents and this would be a good chance for me to change. I love my mother so dearly and she suffers because I have split the family in 2. I thought that maybe I had to stop being like this, that I had to be the better person and be a good Muslim and obey God and his teachings. So after all this thinking and nowhere to go, I thought that going to my parents house would be a way to reconsiliate and I know that it would make my mother very happy after everything she endured of having her only daughter almost jailed for 15 year. My mother just wanted to be a "normal family". When I arrived, my father told me that he was the one who sent me money when I was in jail, then he gave me more money right then and there to help me out, he was trying to act like the hero and save the day, like trying to repair what he did or something like that. I spent a few days there, trying to avoid my father. I could see the pain in his eyes, like as if he regretted something. But he never said nothing to me. The few first days, he was as nice as he could be. Then slowly, he came back as he always is, insults and agressivity. I started to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, crying for no reason. I knew that it was because of the abuse feelings coming back again but I told my mother that it was for what I endured in jail but little did she know that jail was nothing compared to the abuse!!! I would of given anything to get back into the dirty, disgusting jail, starving for days and sleep on the frozen floor instead of experiencing the feelings again and again of the abuse.
    Then after a few days, I left, got an apartment, and I was putting my life back together again. But my mother is now happy that I am in contact again with my father and she thinks that things are back like they were before eventhough she saw some of the abuse I endured its like as if she doesn't realise it. I had tried to talk to her about it various times and she tells me that it wasn't that bad and that I should not exagerate, she pushes the subject away and gets into a bad mood.
    I went to eat Christmas dinner on the 25th. My father was acting bad again, insults and agressivity, putting down my mother, bad mood,.....I started to feel bad again. I was trying to hold back on my tears and try to eat my dinner, I just wanted to throw my dish on the wall, flip the table over and tell him to shut up and stop....but I didn't. I just eat calmly and left. When I left, my mother had tears in her eyes, happy that I had finally assisted her Christmas dinner after 5 years of absence.
    I have spent the past 2 days going crazy. Reliving the abuse again, reliving the pain, the suffering. I feel his hands on me, his eyes on me. Its hard to deal with.
    I have decided that I will cut the ties on him again and moreso, I will tell my mother that I will not accept for her to make me feel guilty with her tears because I have decided this. I always felt sorry for her but now I realise that things will never be good, what I endured will never go away and my mother who keps on living with him, protecting him and acting like as if nothing ever happened is really starting to upset me alot. My mental health is at stake here and I don't understand why she is trying to play the guilt game on me in getting me back to where she knows that I don't like to be. Is it selfish of her part or am I bad for not obeying and respecting her wishes?
    I have suffered damage that has affected my life, I cannot have a normal sexual life, I was married my poor husband went through some bad times with me when I was having the occasional anxiety attack, I do not want get married again because I have issues with sex, I am a complete mental mess, I cannot have children and it is probably linked to the sexual abuse, I have suffered too much to just love and respect parents that do not take responsibility of their actions and try to drag me back into the abuse!

    All I have to say is that I tried, after 5 years, I gave time to my father to fix his problem, he has not admitted of having done anything wrong nor does he take responsibility of any wrong doing and still acts like he always did except he doesn't touch me now. When I was in jail, I spoke to God alot, I told God that I have forgiven and will try to forget, I asked for forgiveness for being so selfish and not giving my father another chance and to make my mother unhappy all these years, that I will try again and give a chance but after this, nothing has changed. I tried to make my mother happy but how can I do so when to make her happy is destructive to me? or can I just void them from my life to try to salvage my own sanity?
    I have not encountered any mention on how to deal with abusive parents in the Quran. I'm looking and looking but maybe one of you can help me with this. I need to know what to do. If it was just for my decision, I would block out my family and only allow my mother into my life if she stops trying to make me feel bad for breaking up her "family"....because I am sick of thinking that this is all my fault when I am the victime here. But maybe this is not what I should do, maybe God instructed something else. Please let me know if you have any clues!
    And thanks for you all that has taken time to read me.

    Peace.

    Your story is a sad one and it's one that many have to live through unfortunately.

    I am thankful to God that I have never experienced what you have experienced, and God willing I never will. However, I do know what you mean when you say you want to get away from your father. I keep on dreaming of the day when I no longer have to live with my father and I can leave this wretched house. I am not comftorable around him one bit; I love him because he is my father, but in the future, I would not like to live near him. I would like to keep in touch though.

    My advice to you would be to live apart from your father and to rarely have contact with him. You have to think about your health. You have to get your life back on track. I don't know what more to say but I wish you the best and always remember God.

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      Al_Araf
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      salam carly.

      what i am going to say will not please many people. however, jihad requires bravery in the face of great odds, inshallah allah will bless me
      with a thousand angels here.

      you state you are a muslim. you seek the assistance of muslims in overcoming your incidents. there are rules for muslims, that a muslim
      must observe. let me remind you of the rule against backbiting, gheebat.

      you may have an issue with your father, we have heard your side of the story, we have not heard his side of the story, nor are we in a
      position to judge another person. for this reason it is preferable not to identify your father in this direct manner in public, it then makes
      your actions, backbiting.

      you could have presented the issue as a hypothetical situation, for example "a young woman is assaulted by her father..." and obtained
      the information you needed, please present the subject in this manner in future.

      if i assume that you have presented the issue in this manner, and analyze the situation, there is an analysis that follows. i presume the
      incidents took place in a western country, predominantly christian, and with a somewhat christian social structure. the first task, is to
      strip away from this incident, all the confusion introduced by this christian western society.

      you use the term "sexual abuse" in the context of a western christian society. unfortunately, western christian society has succumbed to
      commercial interests, to where everything is about the money. doctors, psychologists, advertisers, parents, are all interested in how this
      gets them money.

      the "sexual abuse" industry has generated billions of dollars, first by traumatizing everyone to believe everything is sexual abuse of one
      form or another, then convincing everyone that everything is due to sexual abuse, all the while the psychologists, doctors, law enforcement
      are raking in billions of dollars in this lucractive industry.

      when you read the quran, you will not find any mention of "sexual abuse" what you will find is the issue of the prohibited categories of
      women for believers. however, this would require the man in question, be a believer, in order to follow these rules, which in this case does
      not exist.

      the other recourse is the criminal justice system of your country, and the personal injury lawyers, who could get you either retribution for
      the crime, or damages for your injuries.

      what i find disturbing is, you describe actions like shaving the head, cutting oneself "like britney spears" and you say you were jailed in
      another instance.

      there are people who have an obvious external injury like for example a broken leg. everyone agrees that the visible injury needs medical
      treatment and there is no stigma attached to getting medical treatment. however, when it comes to an injured brain, symptoms of which
      are cutting onself, shaving the head "like britney spears" this needs medical attention as well, unfortunately some people believe there is
      a stigma attached, and sometimes the brain is injured to where the person cannot bring themselves to seek medical attention.

      you have a medical issue that is unresolved, you have a legal issue that is unresolved, and you have now brought yourself to the point
      to where this is overwhelming. you must resolve your issues in an organized manner, consult with a medical professional about treatment
      for the depression and other possible disorders, consult with an attorney about your legal issues involved. chart out a plan of action to
      get well mentally, and get legal recourse for the harm you suffered.

      allah knows that which is in the heart.

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        Peace, me at lose of words. I can imagin what u goin threw. Many go to phycologist ectt.....for help. But there is none who can really tell us about ourselves... I can give you a reading if you like. Maby it will help u understand certain things and help u focus your energy were they need to be. Me need your birthdate to do it thoe. If you want a full reading I aslo need your full name... Its alot of work but il do what I can. Other than that turn to your Lord and read the Quran at dawn and at night when u can.... peace And be paitient. God is with the paitient.

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          Peace, me at lose of words. I can imagin what u goin threw. Many go to phycologist ectt.....for help. But there is none who can really tell us about ourselves... I can give you a reading if you like. Maby it will help u understand certain things and help u focus your energy were they need to be. Me need your birthdate to do it thoe. If you want a full reading I aslo need your full name... Its alot of work but il do what I can. Other than that turn to your Lord and read the Quran at dawn and at night when u can.... peace And be paitient. God is with the paitient.

          What type of reading are you talking about?

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            What type of reading are you talking about?

            Numerology.

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              Carly, your story is so sad...Not trying to rub salt in any wounds, but an excellent book to pick up is titled, 'A Child Called It' - by David Pelzer. A true story by the author - only it was his mother who started abusing him when he turned 8 years old. It was the father turning a blind eye. A sad story - the abuse he went through nearly literally killed him - worst case of child abuse ever in the state of California. You are a survivor - that's the main issue.

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                Carly, your story is so sad...Not trying to rub salt in any wounds, but an excellent book to pick up is titled, 'A Child Called It' - by David Pelzer. A true story by the author - only it was his mother who started abusing him when he turned 8 years old. It was the father turning a blind eye. A sad story - the abuse he went through nearly literally killed him - worst case of child abuse ever in the state of California. You are a survivor - that's the main issue.

                That was a very good book.

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                  Hi to all sun
                  I usually don't post and prefer to read but I'm going through a very hard time now and need some advice.

                  To sum up the situation, I'm a Muslim, God brought me to discover Islam about 4 years ago, THANKS GOD, and my parents are Christians.
                  My father sexually abused me when I was young until I left his house when I was 18. I had continued to see him and visit my parents, and act like a "normal family" but at one point I started to get very mentally ill from the side effects of the abuse because until I was about 24 years old, I really didn't fully realise what had happend to me. I had blocked out a lot of the abuse from my childhood and had not dealed with it or gotten any kind of help but at one point, you cannot block it out anymore and when the gates open, everything comes flooding out! Flashbacks, nightmares, abnormal behavior, anxiety attacks. I will not go into details or explain how abuse manifests itself but just to say that when you are abused, you feel guilty, ashamed and you can still love the abuser and seek for their approval and love. It's screwed up and dealing with these emotions almost makes you want to jump off a building instead of feeling them. My father also loves to mentally torture the rest of my family including my poor mother who has suffered this for years and doesn't even realise what she endures every day of her life since it is kind of "normal" for her now to be treated like this. My mother and brother were witnesses to little things like my father's pinching my nipples and butt while passing by me, grabbing my head and stuffing his tongue down my ear, that was the abuse that everyone saw but nobody did nothing to stop or help and that was probably because they were too scared of my father because he was a very aggressive and violent man.
                  5 years ago, after I consulted a psychologist because I thought that I was slowly going crazy and I had fallen into alcohol, drugs, partying, abusing my own body as a punishment (tattoos, peircings, completely shaving off my hair from my head like Britner Spears,....).
                  The psychologist advised me that I should cut ties with my father and start to heal myself. My mother was so sad that I suddenly cut ties with my father and refused to go to visit her at her house where they both lived. I would go to meet her at her work, we would go out to do things together but I refused to go to her house. She loves to have me over for dinner and pretend that we are the "perfect family". I love her so much and I always felt so bad that I was making her very sad to not go over to see her on holidays. She loves Christmas, and I could see her suffer when she would ask me every year to go over and I would say no. She would ask me to go over on every Christian holiday and I would refuse. The day I decided to cut ties with my father, I felt an enormous amount of weight released from my chest. Every year, I would feel better. No more anxiety attacks, no more suffering of the side effects. In that time, I was brought by God to discover Islam, which helped me so much.
                  Early this year, I left my country and went to accept a business proposition to open a new business in another country. Once there, I had a bad experience and one partner of my new business in this new country decided that I was no longer needed and wanted me out of the company. He acused me of stealing, which was not true, and I was jailed for 3 months 10 days in a 3rd world country....it was very bad. In this time, my mother did her best to help me, send me money and just be supportive. I got out, acquited of all charges, THANK GOD, and left the country the moment that I got out of jail. I returned to my country but I didn't have a place of my own to come back to because when I left my country, I gave up my apartment. Obvioulsly, I was not in the best of shape after enduring a trial that the outcome was 15 years of jail but then the decision was reversed at the court of appeal, I was malnourished and mentally not all there. My mother came to the airport to pick me up. I had asked her to contact my ex-husband so that he could take me in for a while until I get back on my feet. He had accepted (we are still on good terms and help each other when needed). But when she was driving back from the airport, she decided that she was bringing me to her house....where my father also lives. When I was in jail, I had 104 days to think about my life, where I was heading, what I was doing. When you are in a situation like this, you realise many things that you should change to become a better person and I thought alot about my mother and my father. I thought that maybe I should just give my father another chance since my mother kept on telling me all the time during the 5 years that since I cut ties with him, that he had changed, that he cried for me, that he missed me. In jail, I had nothing. One pair of pants, one sweater and the only thing I was dying for was a Quran but I had nobody to bring me one. I was dying to read the words of the Quran to help me, guide me. In the country that I was jailed, it is an ultra Christian country and many people, even in this day and age, have no idea what Islam is and nobody had a Quran nor could they get one in because the guards revise everything that is brought into the jail and they would not let it in. I did remeber passages that talked about respecting and obeying your parents and that this was maybe the time to turn to God and accept to forgive and move on, to love and respect my parents and this would be a good chance for me to change. I love my mother so dearly and she suffers because I have split the family in 2. I thought that maybe I had to stop being like this, that I had to be the better person and be a good Muslim and obey God and his teachings. So after all this thinking and nowhere to go, I thought that going to my parents house would be a way to reconsiliate and I know that it would make my mother very happy after everything she endured of having her only daughter almost jailed for 15 year. My mother just wanted to be a "normal family". When I arrived, my father told me that he was the one who sent me money when I was in jail, then he gave me more money right then and there to help me out, he was trying to act like the hero and save the day, like trying to repair what he did or something like that. I spent a few days there, trying to avoid my father. I could see the pain in his eyes, like as if he regretted something. But he never said nothing to me. The few first days, he was as nice as he could be. Then slowly, he came back as he always is, insults and agressivity. I started to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, crying for no reason. I knew that it was because of the abuse feelings coming back again but I told my mother that it was for what I endured in jail but little did she know that jail was nothing compared to the abuse!!! I would of given anything to get back into the dirty, disgusting jail, starving for days and sleep on the frozen floor instead of experiencing the feelings again and again of the abuse.
                  Then after a few days, I left, got an apartment, and I was putting my life back together again. But my mother is now happy that I am in contact again with my father and she thinks that things are back like they were before eventhough she saw some of the abuse I endured its like as if she doesn't realise it. I had tried to talk to her about it various times and she tells me that it wasn't that bad and that I should not exagerate, she pushes the subject away and gets into a bad mood.
                  I went to eat Christmas dinner on the 25th. My father was acting bad again, insults and agressivity, putting down my mother, bad mood,.....I started to feel bad again. I was trying to hold back on my tears and try to eat my dinner, I just wanted to throw my dish on the wall, flip the table over and tell him to shut up and stop....but I didn't. I just eat calmly and left. When I left, my mother had tears in her eyes, happy that I had finally assisted her Christmas dinner after 5 years of absence.
                  I have spent the past 2 days going crazy. Reliving the abuse again, reliving the pain, the suffering. I feel his hands on me, his eyes on me. Its hard to deal with.
                  I have decided that I will cut the ties on him again and moreso, I will tell my mother that I will not accept for her to make me feel guilty with her tears because I have decided this. I always felt sorry for her but now I realise that things will never be good, what I endured will never go away and my mother who keps on living with him, protecting him and acting like as if nothing ever happened is really starting to upset me alot. My mental health is at stake here and I don't understand why she is trying to play the guilt game on me in getting me back to where she knows that I don't like to be. Is it selfish of her part or am I bad for not obeying and respecting her wishes?
                  I have suffered damage that has affected my life, I cannot have a normal sexual life, I was married my poor husband went through some bad times with me when I was having the occasional anxiety attack, I do not want get married again because I have issues with sex, I am a complete mental mess, I cannot have children and it is probably linked to the sexual abuse, I have suffered too much to just love and respect parents that do not take responsibility of their actions and try to drag me back into the abuse!

                  All I have to say is that I tried, after 5 years, I gave time to my father to fix his problem, he has not admitted of having done anything wrong nor does he take responsibility of any wrong doing and still acts like he always did except he doesn't touch me now. When I was in jail, I spoke to God alot, I told God that I have forgiven and will try to forget, I asked for forgiveness for being so selfish and not giving my father another chance and to make my mother unhappy all these years, that I will try again and give a chance but after this, nothing has changed. I tried to make my mother happy but how can I do so when to make her happy is destructive to me? or can I just void them from my life to try to salvage my own sanity?
                  I have not encountered any mention on how to deal with abusive parents in the Quran. I'm looking and looking but maybe one of you can help me with this. I need to know what to do. If it was just for my decision, I would block out my family and only allow my mother into my life if she stops trying to make me feel bad for breaking up her "family"....because I am sick of thinking that this is all my fault when I am the victime here. But maybe this is not what I should do, maybe God instructed something else. Please let me know if you have any clues!
                  And thanks for you all that has taken time to read me.

                  dear ,
                  its very hard what you have been through. nut you know you are a survival. all what i can say is that you do what works for you . if talking about it to your mom helps do it. also don't feel guilty for your family's situation . you are not the reason for its situation.
                  god bless you
                  take care

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                    Bosnian_Thinker
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                    Numerology.

                    Why do you believe in such superstitions?

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                      Why do you believe in such superstitions?

                      What superstitions? Is that what you would say of the truth?

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                        What superstitions? Is that what you would say of the truth?

                        yeah

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                          AW said

                          Peace, me at lose of words. I can imagin what u goin threw. Many go to phycologist ectt.....for help. But there is none who can really tell us about ourselves... I can give you a reading if you like. Maby it will help u understand certain things and help u focus your energy were they need to be. Me need your birthdate to do it thoe. If you want a full reading I aslo need your full name... Its alot of work but il do what I can. Other than that turn to your Lord and read the Quran at dawn and at night when u can.... peace And be paitient. God is with the paitient.

                          Bosnian Thinker asked him

                          What type of reading are you talking about?

                          Then, AW replied

                          Numerology

                          Anthony, are you out of your mind??! A girl/woman has been abused! You dare to talk about "somthing that will help" and then say "it is a book" and then say that that book is "numerology". You want to know her birth date?! Are you out of your mind??! Are you crazy??! You dare to talk sarcastically like that when such a serious thing happened?! Shame on you, Anthony Wallace.

                          @ Carly,

                          I feel really sorry for what happened to you. May God keep on guiding you and may you have a blessed life
                          sun peace

                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                            AW said
                            Bosnian Thinker asked him

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                            Anthony, are you out of your mind??! A girl/woman has been abused! You dare to talk about "somthing that will help" and then say "it is a book" and then say that that book is "numerology". You want to know her birth date?! Are you out of your mind??! Are you crazy??! You dare to talk sarcastically like that when such a serious thing happened?! Shame on you, Anthony Wallace.

                            @ Carly,

                            I feel really sorry for what happened to you. May God keep on guiding you and may you have a blessed life
                            sun peace

                            Shut up, im bout gettin tired of you and all your false accusations.

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                              Shut up, im bout gettin tired of you and all your false accusations.

                              Which false acussations? It's all true.

                              And Say "The truth has come and falsehood has perished. Falsehood is always bound to perish!" (1780)

                              I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                Which false acussations? It's all true.

                                And Say "The truth has come and falsehood has perished. Falsehood is always bound to perish!" (1780)

                                bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo

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                                  bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo

                                  Peace Bosnian Thinker,

                                  I hope you realize what Anthony wrote. You have simply answered him with a " yeah". Reflect back on my other post to see what actually happened/was said.

                                  peace

                                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                    Peace Bosnian Thinker,

                                    I hope you realize what Anthony wrote. You have simply answered him with a " yeah". Reflect back on my other post to see what actually happened/was said.

                                    peace

                                    Peace

                                    Um, I'm agreeing with you about the fact that numerology is not valid.

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