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"Ask Those who Know"

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    Q_student
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    Ahl does not have a plural nor gender

    Peace
    The word "Ahl" has both plural and gender. Its plural is "alhloona" and its gender is that it is "masculine".

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      Samia
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      Peace
      The word "Ahl" has both plural and gender. Its plural is "alhloona" and its gender is that it is "masculine".

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      Does "ahl" here mean worthy?
      Does the qur'aan use any of these "plurals" in any meaning?

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        Does "ahl" here mean worthy?
        Does the qur'aan use any of these "plurals" in any meaning?

        Peace sister
        Quran does not use so many arabic words ,it does not mean that they do not exist.
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          Samia
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          Peace sister
          Quran does not use so many arabic words ,it does not mean that they do not exist.
          Regards

          The dictionaries give an example from a line in a poem. Does this mean it is correct? The qur'aan used similar contexts but did not use the plural form. I am not asking of a word that is not used in the qur'aan, but a word that is used and in similar context, but not the same form.

          Besides, why do you comment on part and leave the mail part of the post? The plural you quote does not men "worthy" and the dictionaries do not give the "ahl" in the plural form when it means "worthy".

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            Mazhar
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            I like this rendition.

            Sister,

            Ordinarily you give the argument and evidence for your likings. In this case reason is not given. The word is used for 127 times in the Grand Qur'aan and nowhere it could be stretched to give the above quoted rendition. It denotes a group of people having some commonality and relationship, like of family, land, city, common Book, way of life, taqwa, having been forgiven, residents of same place like hell.

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              Samia
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              Sister,

              Ordinarily you give the argument and evidence for your likings. In this case reason is not given. The word is used for 127 times in the Grand Qur'aan and nowhere it could be stretched to give the above quoted rendition. It denotes a group of people having some commonality and relationship, like of family, land, city, common Book, way of life, taqwa, having been forgiven, residents of same place like hell.

              Salaam Mazhar
              What's wrong with liking an understanding? Am I supposed to give evidence for it? It means I like it, I never thought of it, and maybe try to research it. I did not say I agree. And I am glad you notice that I give evidence with my "agreeing", not with my liking. I once said "I like that" in reponse to a post, although I had my own "evidenced" different understanding. No one popped up and said I should give evidence.
              And to tell the truth, this is the best response on this thread, yet it's not my understanding. I am against treating qur'aan, alqur'aan, kitaab, thikr, furqan, alkitaabul mubeen, alkitaab...etc, as if they are synonyms.

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                Mazhar
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                Sister,

                I partially agree. But when a teacher expresses liking, it is taken as her/his approval and in the sense of "almost correct" and other students may immediately take a tilt towards that end which could stop them from further penetrating into it.

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                  unknownuser
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                  Peace,

                  In conclusion,

                  1. The verse does not say "Ask those who know" it says "Ask the People of the Reminder", which is referring to the People of the Book - this phrase had been erroneously translated by them to meet their objectives.

                  2. When we take the whole verse into consideration, we see that "So ask the People of the Reminder if you do not know" is related to the first part of the verse, which they deliberately omit. The verse in complete form reads "And We did not send before you except men whom We inspired to. So ask the People of the Reminder if you do not know" - the context renders it completely clear.

                  Therefore, verses 1643 and 217 do not order the believer to resort to clergy in order follow the Qur'an. Allah continuously orders people to take the Qur'an as a personal guide and asks everyone to think over its message for themselves. He also reveals to us that the Qur'an can be understood when any person sincerely thinks over its verses

                  "We clarify the verses for a people who reflect" (Qur'an 1024)

                  and that the Qur'an is easy to comprehend and follow

                  "We have made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember will anyone take heed?" (Qur'an 5417)

                  Moreover, Allah opposes the popular notion of clergymen, which has drifted many people from devoting themselves to Allah by understanding the Qur'an, in the following verse

                  In addition, the implied assertion of not knowing is not correct.

                  To be asked is a rhetorical question so they can ponder on the answer
                  Were not all prior messengers human?

                  1643-44 And We did not send from before you except men/humans, We inspire to them, so question the reminder's people, if - you (p) were not knowing. With the evidences and The Books, and We descended - to you (s/m) the reminder to show to the people what was descended to them, and perhaps they think.

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                    Samia
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                    Sister,

                    I partially agree. But when a teacher expresses liking, it is taken as her/his approval and in the sense of "almost correct" and other students may immediately take a tilt towards that end which could stop them from further penetrating into it.

                    Well, this is a big reponsibility you are charging me with, which I did not seek nor claim. I hope others do not forget that I am a student on this forum. Maybe you are right. I will be careful next time

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                      Mazhar
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                      This is the mutual conversation of high ups of that society. They new what is Az Zikar, Qur'aan, the Book of Allah. They are told

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