Help with Quranic Word!
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Hi all, Samia, Bkanwar,
I am not a big supporter of code 19, BUT will it be possible, it is just an hypothesis that is written with instead of ALIF to support the counting of ALIF, LAM, MIM, just as it is in one surat (don't remember which one) with SIN and SAD (inverted).
Peace
Salaam
You are talking about ( & ) in 2247 and 769 where one wrod is written in 2 different spellings (maybe it's not even the same word, no one researched that). But as far as "huda" is concerned, it's written this way althrough the Book. It's not the only word ending with alif maqsura.
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Herbman, I want to salute you for your efforts on pondering upon linguistic of the Alkitab. This is one word that is bothering me too. One explanation in a grammar book I have found that used to be written with an Alif up top of as part of tenween of fetha. Sis Samia, may like to comment on this. I have not seen a copy of Alkitab with such a script to date.
Badar
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Herbman, I want to salute you for your efforts on pondering upon linguistic of the Alkitab. This is one word that is bothering me too. One explanation in a grammar book I have found that used to be written with an Alif up top of as part of tenween of fetha. Sis Samia, may like to comment on this. I have not seen a copy of Alkitab with such a script to date.
Badar
Salaam anwar
Maybe you mean the Alif up as above any for example (check a mushaf, not a quraan on line) where the alif is not written and is replaced with this small alif for pronunciation convenience. -
No, Sis, what I mean is like they write with an Alif on yaa. I can not type it with key keyboard, like you see printed in books.
Badar
It's the same one I meant. So it's not limited to the alif maqsoura, and helps in pronunciation and differentiating it from the yaa. Mybe dotting the yaa is a recent invention ( & )
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Salaam
You are talking about ( & ) in 2247 and 769 where one wrod is written in 2 different spellings (maybe it's not even the same word, no one researched that). But as far as "huda" is concerned, it's written this way althrough the Book. It's not the only word ending with alif maqsura.
Dear Samia
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You are talking about ibdaal exchanging a letter with another to facilitate the pronunciation. The quraan uses this rule, and when it's applied to a word, this word is written in one way only. Search for and for example. They are used more than once with the same spelling. The word does not conform to this rule of ibdaal, and they call it one of the strange/unfamiliar examples of quraanic vocabulary. What I say is maybe it's another word and there's nothing strange. This is the same logic that says is the same as
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You are talking about ibdaal exchanging a letter with another to facilitate the pronunciation. The quraan uses this rule, and when it's applied to a word, this word is written in one way only. Search for and for example. They are used more than once with the same spelling. The word does not conform to this rule of ibdaal, and they call it one of the strange/unfamiliar examples of quraanic vocabulary. What I say is maybe it's another word and there's nothing strange. This is the same logic that says is the same as
Dear Samia
This " " is not restricte to these few words many other alphabet are also interchangeable in Arabic language. This is not a strange phenomenon because books on classical Arabic have written special chapter on this topic.These change may be because of simplicity or principle or just without any reason which is known as trible dialect or just " " .
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Dear Samia
This " " is not restricte to these few words many other alphabet are also interchangeable in Arabic language. This is not a strange phenomenon because books on classical Arabic have written special chapter on this topic.These change may be because of simplicity or principle or just without any reason which is known as trible dialect or just " " .
RegardsSalaam student
This is not what I am saying. I did not say the ibdaal is a strange phenomenon. I say that a word in the quraan like does not follow the rules to have ibdaal , so no ibdaal in it, and the seen does not change into saad because it came adjacent to a Taa . There's no such rule This is the only case. How about ? That's why they would consider it among the " " strange vocabulary in the qur'aan. And there are many justifications, all based on the understanding that they are the same word. Some even say it's a dialect of Beirut!
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This is the same logic that says is the same as
Sister,
Can we rule out the possibility that the day "The House" was being raised, at that point of time the location/a small valley was called or known as , and later on when it developed into a city it became popular as instead of presuming that ba got changed with meem. We know the phenomenon of changing names of places/locations.
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Sister,
Can we rule out the possibility that the day "The House" was being raised, at that point of time the location/a small valley was called or known as , and later on when it developed into a city it became popular as instead of presuming that ba got changed with meem. We know the phenomenon of changing names of places/locations.
Salaam Mazhar
First of all, beit has two meanings a contruction within which a family lives, or a body of concept/s. For God, I would rather go for the lattar meaning, so I am not very much concerned about a "house" being "constructed" somewhere. Besides, "Makkah" in the qur'aan is never linked to any house or anything other than a fierce fighting.
Again, whether a valley was called "Becca" and later was changed into "Makkah" does not mean Makkah and Becca are phonemes of the same word. I only know that if one catches cold, instead of "makkah" they will say "bakkah".
Do you have any example -other than cold- where a word has two spellings one with the letter "meem" and another with a "baa" instead of the "meem"? Remember that rules of linguistics are usually built on observation. If you do not have a case, you do not have a rule. -
Salaam Mazhar
First of all, beit has two meanings a contruction within which a family lives, or a body of concept/s. For God, I would rather go for the lattar meaning, so I am not very much concerned about a "house" being "constructed" somewhere. Besides, "Makkah" in the qur'aan is never linked to any house or anything other than a fierce fighting.
Again, whether a valley was called "Becca" and later was changed into "Makkah" does not mean Makkah and Becca are phonemes of the same word. I only know that if one catches cold, instead of "makkah" they will say "bakkah".
Do you have any example -other than cold- where a word has two spellings one with the letter "meem" and another with a "baa" instead of the "meem"? Remember that rules of linguistics are usually built on observation. If you do not have a case, you do not have a rule.Peace
You saidDo you have any example -other than cold- where a word has two spellings one with the letter "meem" and another with a "baa" instead of the "meem"?
One Reference is below
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There are many examples that in arabic "meem" and "baa" have been used interchangeably in certain words without changing the meanings. (We cannot do on our own)
These are just a few examples out of manyThese are just a few examples out of many
Husband of the sister in law
Excessiveness
Old lady
He shaved the hair
He throw an arrow from a near distance.
Regards
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First of all, beit has two meanings a contruction within which a family lives, or a body of concept/s. For God, I would rather go for the lattar meaning, so I am not very much concerned about a "house" being "constructed" somewhere.
Sister Salam and my respects;
How would you put the later meanings in this particular place
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And when Iebra'heim was raising the foundation walls of The House ; and Iesma'eile were praying; "Our Sustainer Lord! Accept this service from us; -
Salaam Q-Student
Some say this and some say that, but no one would say both pronunciations. I say "shams sun", some Sudanese say "shamsh". I never say shamsh and the others never say shams. Same with your examples. Logically, language is to communicate; why would I utter different pronunciations and spellings for the same word and hope others would understand what I mean?
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Sister Salam and my respects;
How would you put the later meanings in this particular place
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And when Iebra'heim was raising the foundation walls of The House ; and Iesma'eile were praying; "Our Sustainer Lord! Accept this service from us;Salaam Mazhar
Error of translation 1. It is not "the foundation walls". No walls here, and foundations are not always for walls.
Error of translation 2. It is not "of the ...", but "from the .."
Error of translation 3. It's not "the house" but the "home/beit"...broader meaning.Where's Makkah or Becca here?
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Salaam Q-Student
Some say this and some say that, but no one would say both pronunciations. I say "shams sun", some Sudanese say "shamsh". I never say shamsh and the others never say shams. Same with your examples. Logically, language is to communicate; why would I utter different pronunciations and spellings for the same word and hope others would understand what I mean?
Salaam sister
Anyway you are free to take the way you like.These are just a few examples.There are many many others also.
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Salaam Mazhar
Error of translation 1. It is not "the foundation walls". No walls here, and foundations are not always for walls.
Error of translation 2. It is not "of the ...", but "from the .."
Error of translation 3. It's not "the house" but the "home/beit"...broader meaning.Where's Makkah or Becca here?
Sister,
Query was not with reference to Makkah or Becca. It was with reference to this
First of all, beit has two meanings a contruction within which a family lives, or a body of concept/s. For God, I would rather go for the lattar meaning, so I am not very much concerned about a "house" being "constructed"
somewhere.Perhaps "foundations" with reference to one object cannot be used. "Alqwaid" have to be raised from foundation/or from ground level. And perhaps "" cant be used for "foundation". And Sister, home is not for general public of different origins while the word "house" does have the connotation where public could gather and the purpuse of this Albait is indicated to be for general public, local as well foreign.
If we use "from the.." instead "of the.." how the entire sentence would appear. Could you please put the whole translation of the line.