Why do you beleive the Quran to be the Word of GOD?
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Dear Bilal,
As you have already noticed that i am an ignorant person so kindly enlighten me from the Quran that sign and verse are different. Please kindly provide the Arabic and clearly mark the difference with your translation so that i can understand.
Regards.
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Peace Khyaletanzim,
As you have already noticed that i am an ignorant person
Why do you keep doing this? I never said you are an "ignorant person", YOU DID. Stop making false accusations, claiming that I'm bad-mouthing you when I'm not. All I said was your conclusion was incorrect, showing your "ignorance" of the language.
so kindly enlighten me from the Quran that sign and verse are different.
Show you where SIGN and VERSE are different? -\ I don't understand this request. The WORDS ("ayaat" and "abyaat" are not even the same. There are plenty examples in the Qur'an showing that an "ayaat" is NOT a verse, it's a sign...
In the creation of heavens and Earth, and the difference between night and day, are "ayaatin" for those with pure hearts. (3190)
How are the creation of the universe and the alternation of night and day "VERSES" for those with pure minds/hearts? This would be illogical.
He said, "My Lord, make for me a AYAT." He said, "Your AYAT is not to speak to the people for three days except by symbol, and commemorate your Lord greatly, and glorify evening and morning." (341)
How could these refer to "verses"? This wouldn't make any sense at all. In the Qur'an, a reference to "ayaat" is always referring to a sign or proof. Please show me where the word "ayaat" is referring to verses instead of signs.
Please kindly provide the Arabic and clearly mark the difference with your translation so that i can understand.
I can't mark the differences on here because I didn't photocopy exerpts from the Qur'an onto my computer... Just look up the meaning of the word "ayaat", and it means "signs", not verses. This is a sectarian mistranslation and misinterpretation. You should probably even be able to find the answers to these questions online, maybe even on this website (i.e. "Free-Minds" or this forum.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Dear Bilal,
I don't know what to say after your answer except please learn to understand English. brickwall
Look at your quote again Posted on December 11, 2008, 032750 PM
Throughout the Qur'an, Allah condemns the disbelievers for rejecting His signs. It doesn't say anything about rejecting "verses".
I don't know what you wanted to say. But in English this quote meant that signs are not verses. Please read again all your stupid answers which you call explanations.
You contradict your sayings in every post. First you said that this Quran is not the copy of original manuscript then when I asked you to show me the alterations you showed me some letter alterations and when i asked you that tell me what difference it made in the meanings you came with a new idea that Quran we read in Arabic is also a translation and the actual Quran is spiritual not physical then when I asked you where did you Got your Quran then you said the same Quran we use and translation of Khalifa was approved by you.
I accept the fact that Quran means recitation and not book named as Quran. In my understanding God is telling us at many points that what we are reading are his signs in this book. We call this Book Quran and I hope that you will contradict again to this too. brickwall
Can you tell me why Mr. Khalifa did not translated word ayat altogether and used letter in bracket instead?
121 A.L.R. these are the symbols (or Verses) of the perspicuous Book
KhalifaA.L.R. These (letters) are proofs of this profound scripture.131 A.L.M.R. these are the signs (or verses) of the Book that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is the Truth; but most men believe not.
KhalifaA. L. M. R. These (letters) are proofs of this scripture. What is revealed to you from your Lord is the truth, but most people do not believe.
(131282 these are Verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.
KhalifaThese (letters) constitute proofs of this profound book.
(282)271 these are verses of the Qur'an,-a book that makes (things) clear;
KhalifaT. S. These (letters) constitute proofs of the Quran; a profound scripture.
(271)
If you pay attention to the verse 271 it says but nobody has translated and in this sign(verse). Do you know why?Now I have given the translations of Khlaifa too and you will see that he did not even translated as sign or verse but letters. In my ignorant understanding, first he wanted to confuse his followers with letters so that he can prove to them that letters have been tempered with and once that doubt has been created, he came with his idea of 19 and to to prove his formula true just as a sign or miracle for his followers. Why you cannot see the simple fact that if any kind of doubt can be created in the Book(Quran) then it will become equivalent to the Books others are having. This is not a new try from the disbelievers to prove that Quran has been tempered with and you know that hadith books are full with that kind of confusion creating hadiths.
If you accept Quran as a God is mentioning in his then you cannot deny that he is saying which can mean this or these and it means that one is seeing that. I know this too that you will never accept the simple fact provided by me and you will even now may deny that the translations I have posted are not even khalifa's. In any way i have tried my best to show you the truth but you keep on changing your words where ever you Got caught in your sayings. I am 100% sure that you will do the same again brickwall but i am helpless giveup
Regards.
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My belief in god was easy, and even before I came to find the Quran I believed god was guiding me. Sometimes you simply understand when god is speaking to you. This is what happened with the Quran. Every other religion and holy texts or writings out there either left me confused, or doubtful, as to whether or not it was the path god wanted me to follow. There were even some things (like Christianity) where I felt torn, both wanting to believe some things yet reject others within the religion. While I didn't understand before why I had these feelings of being torn, I do now.
When I read the Quran, it simply made sense. Everything that I come across, and come to understand, makes sense in a way that is not describable. Not only are the things I've always felt were right by god within the Quran, but also there were many doubts and idea's I'd previously wondered about that became clear to me. There is a verse (I'm sorry I do not remember the exact one or wording), towards the beginning, which said something to the effect that those who believe know when they hear the word of god. I just simply knew, it was that easy.
As far as the science behind the universe goes, I was actually suprised to find that some of the mysteries were actually revealed in the Quran. This wasn't what made me believe in the Quran as truth though (I was a believer before I found these things out)... so they are more like little wonders and pieces of knowledge I'm learning as I read.
The easiest way to answer the question though is this... God wanted me to see the Quran for myself and know that it was from God. If God had not guided me, there is no way to know where my beliefs would still be. I owe my faith in the Quran to God. That much I am sure of.
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Peace,
I don't know what to say after your answer except please learn to understand English. brickwall
I don't know what you wanted to say. But in English this quote meant that signs are not verses. Please read again all your stupid answers which you call explanations.
rotfl Okay, guy... In your view, "ayaat" means "verses". In REALITY, though, "ayaat" means "signs". You can take it as my inability to speak English if you want; I really don't care. However, you are only demonstrating your ignorance of the ENGLISH AND ARABIC languages. In Arabic, the word "aya" means "SIGN", not "verse". Get rid of your sectarian ideologies, and face reality. You are badly mistaken if you believe an "aya" is a "verse". It doesn't matter how Rashad Khalifa or any other translators translated the word "ayaat"; it doesn't make it correct. Dr. Khalifa made fairly accurate translations of the word "aya" by translating it as "proof" or "miracle" (which is a lot better than "verse", but the actual meaning of it is "SIGN". Before you call factual explanations "stupid answers", maybe you should examine your own "stupid" views on these concepts... -\ And I won't even waste my time talking about the whole "learn to understand English" comment. Trust me, I know English VERY WELL... ) What you need to do is stop relying on these sectarian Islamic Arabic dictionaries, and you need to purchase a real Arabic dictionary, or possibly take an Arabic language class. It could provide lots of help for you, since many of your ideologies on these issues are false and completely misleading. Just a suggestion. Just because a Qur'anic translation says, "These are the VERSES of a clear book..." doesn't mean the word "verses" is actually there; this is simply the translator's interpretation of the word "ayaat", which really means signs. So, the correct statement would be, "These are the SIGNS of a clear book..."
Peace,
Ahmad
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Dear Bilal,
Keep telling me that you know English and Arabic and also keep on telling me whatever you want to but my observation remains the same. Again the same problem just answering the same way. Half reply to my posts and ignoring the main points. Look at your hypocrisy.
Get rid of your sectarian ideologies, and face reality. You are badly mistaken if you believe an "aya" is a "verse". It doesn't matter how Rashad Khalifa or any other translators translated the word "ayaat"; it doesn't make it correct. Dr. Khalifa made fairly accurate translations of the word "aya" by translating it as "proof" or "miracle" (which is a lot better than "verse", but the actual meaning of it is "SIGN". Before you call factual explanations "stupid answers", maybe you should examine your own "stupid" views on these concepts...
what you are saying is that Khalifa did not translated it correctly and still he is a messenger and guided? In other words you are more guided than Khalifa rotfl
I really cant understand your what you stand for? verse is not the correct translation but it is almost the same kind of mistake which khalifa did so to me it is almost the same.
Regards.
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what you are saying is that Khalifa did not translated it correctly and still he is a messenger and guided? In other words you are more guided than Khalifa rotfl
I really cant understand your what you stand for? verse is not the correct translation but it is almost the same kind of mistake which khalifa did so to me it is almost the same.
I'm laughing too, brother... laugh Rashad translated the word "aya" in nearly all instances as "sign", "miracle", or "proof", all of which give the same descriptive meaning. Like I said, translating "aya" as "miracle" is a lot better than translating it as "verse"; the translation of it as "verse" (plural- ayaat, or verses) is completely wrong and misleading. The word "aya" means sign, and "ayaat" means signs. Besides, Rashad Khalifa never claimed that his Qur'anic translation was infallible or divinely inspired. His translation, although I feel it is better than most of the other translations in circulation, does contain errors and misinterpretations.
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it is BS
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it is BS
If you are talking about the Quran, then THIS IS DEFINTELY NOT THE RIGHT FORUM FOR YOU.
Read a bit about the Quran and it's miracles.I'll give you an intro
The word "day" is mentioned 365 times
The words "days" is mentiond 30 times
The word "month" is mentioned 12 timesThe word "land" is mentioned 15 times
The word "sea" is mentioned 32 times
Let's do some math
32+15 = 45
32/45 = 71.111...
15/45 = 28.888.. (28.89 when rounded)THAT'S THE EXACT RATIO OF LAND TO SEA OF THE EARTH - IN THE QURAN!
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If you are talkinhg about the Quran, then THIS IS DEFINTELY NOT THE RIGHT FORUM FOR YOU.
Read a bit about the Quran and it's miracles.I'll give you an intro
The word "day" is mentioned 365 times
The words "days" is mentiond 30 times
The word "month" is mentioned 12 timesThe word "land" is mentioned 15 times
The word "sea" is mentioned 32 times
Let's do some math
32+15 = 45
32/45 = 71.111...
15/45 = 28.888.. (28.89 when rounded)THAT'S THE EXACT RATIO OF LAND TO SEA OF THE EARTH - IN THE QURAN!
Don't sweat it, only people who fear God believe in the Quran.
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Peace,
Respectfully.Because God has answered my prayers in a very short period of time.
Because it proves to be right when i look at the world around me.
Because i'm constantly getting info and knowledge from it.Glory be to our God.
Peace.I know some guy who converted to Islam only because it forbids usury. We return to our Creator for lots of reasons which proves He is the Creator.