The quran is not sufficent!
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Peace Alen,
I think you should have explained what Hadiths are.
@ rev. John
They are collections of hearsay stories allegedly from the Prophet Muhammad, although they were compiled about 200 years after his death, mostly or only by Persian (Zoroastrian) Imams (scholars, spiritual/congregational leaders, etc.). They include many illogical stories, contradictions and insults to the Prophet. Sadly, most Muslims follow them/acknowledge them as a source of their religion besides the Quran.Some of them include
"During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them."
"Bad omen is in the woman, the horse and the home."
"If a monkey, a black dog or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified."
"No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir (infidel)".
"The Prophet never urinated in a standing position."
"The Prophet urinated in a standing position.""The earth is carried on a giant bull; when it shakes its head, then an earthquake occurs"
"The Prophet had been bewitched by a Jew, and for several days he did not know what he was doing"
"Allahs Apostle drank milk, rinsed his mouth and said, 'It has fat'."
Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.
Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.
There are also some that talk about the alleged sex life of Muhammad and other gross things
"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).
I still remember when I was five years old, the Holy Prophet rinsed his mouth and then spat the water into mine
The Quran forbids following any teachings other than/besides God's. The Quran even mentions the word "Hadith"
316 Among the people, there are those who accept baseless hadiths to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and they take it as entertainment. These will have a humiliating retribution.
317 When Our signs/verses are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he did not hear them, as if there is deafness in his ears. So announce to him a painful retribution.
7750 So in which hadith after it (Quran) will they believe?
There are many more. Browse the forum to see more examples.
Peace
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Peace Alen,
I think you should have explained what Hadiths are.
@ rev. John
They are collections of hearsay stories allegedly from the Prophet Muhammad, although they were compiled about 200 years after his death, mostly or only by Persian (Zoroastrian) Imams (scholars, spiritual/congregational leaders, etc.). They include many illogical stories, contradictions and insults to the Prophet. Sadly, most Muslims follow them/acknowledge them as a source of their religion besides the Quran.Some of them include
"During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them."
"Bad omen is in the woman, the horse and the home."
"If a monkey, a black dog or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified."
"No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir (infidel)".
"The Prophet never urinated in a standing position."
"The Prophet urinated in a standing position.""The earth is carried on a giant bull; when it shakes its head, then an earthquake occurs"
"The Prophet had been bewitched by a Jew, and for several days he did not know what he was doing"
"Allahs Apostle drank milk, rinsed his mouth and said, 'It has fat'."
Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.
Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.
There are also some that talk about the alleged sex life of Muhammad and other gross things
"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).
I still remember when I was five years old, the Holy Prophet rinsed his mouth and then spat the water into mine
The Quran forbids following any teachings other than/besides God's. The Quran even mentions the word "Hadith"
316 Among the people, there are those who accept baseless hadiths to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and they take it as entertainment. These will have a humiliating retribution.
317 When Our signs/verses are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he did not hear them, as if there is deafness in his ears. So announce to him a painful retribution.
7750 So in which hadith after it (Quran) will they believe?
There are many more. Browse the forum to see more examples.
Peace
eww, gross hadhis yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck
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The Earth carried on the back of a bull?
Women stupid?
WOW!o
Very scientific, right? The worst one is the one with rinsing the mouth. This is not only gross, but also a disgusting insult to Prophet Muhammad.
This is what mainstream Muslims follow and acknowledge as a secondary source besides the Quran. This is where all the stupid ideas come from that they have (of course also out of ignorance). The Islam mostly practiced today (even by the average "moderate" mainstream Muslim) is severely corrupted. Believe it or not, but DVDs are not allowed for the one that are really strict. They are told by their so-called "scholars" that if they burn their 5000 dollars worth of DVD collection instead of selling it (because their not allowed to sell "forbidden" things), they will get rewards from God. Yeah right! Did someone tell them that being wasteful is forbidden? nope
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This sounds very much like the stories that the early Catholic church made up and are now firmly entrenched in Christian dogma.
Mary being a virgin, Jesus being the only begotten son of God, and many many others
Peace all,
According to Quran, Mary was a Virgin when she conceived Prophet Jesus (PBUH). For more information, please read my arguments in the following Thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16187.225 -
Wow, weakest argument yet.
First, the Quran tells Muhammad not to elaborate on the verses of the Quran. I believe this is a given. Therefore, the quoted verse in this video somewhat distorts it from it's pure Arabic format.
Second, the hadithist used a hadith to support his argument that the hadith is necessary. Priceless.
The hadith itself is also retarded. What could have possibly been given to Muhammad, other than the Quran? The "sunna" or the "hadith?" rotfl rotfl rotfl aren't they one and the same? Hadithist say the sunna is from the hadith, yet they're two different things...I guess hadithists don't have brains after all.
Hadithists then claim it's the "sunna" he was given, knowing that the hadith wasn't produced until much later (some claim the hadith was preserved and protected like the Quran and is as old as the Quran. Yeah okay.) Alright, so God gave Muhammad the Final Testament...and the life practices of Muhammad...which include the way to take a sh1t and what to say to your wife during intercourse.
Basically, then, God states "I have sent down to you my revelation and..your individual hobbies and practices."
brickwall confused
Well put man. The last paragraph made me laugh! rotfl rotfl
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Basically, then, God states "I have sent down to you my revelation and..your individual hobbies and practices."
laugh rotfl
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Peace Alen,
I think you should have explained what Hadiths are.Peace,
Respectfully.I did. I explained them very politly and without insulting them, i said, hadith contradict The Quran, themselves and common sense, then they called the curse and death upon me if i'm a liar and then they started calling me a kaffir and here i am away from them, good, good, this is good.
I never lied their company either, well, except for the few sunnis with whom i was able to talk to about hadith because even though they knew i rejected them, they still treated me with respect and they still do, we still hang out almost every day, because they also have same problems like me - no accomodation, no job and lots of Patience and Huge Strength, Thank God.
God describes them very well and clearly in His Quran deaf, dumb and blind.
Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.I did. I explained them very politly and without insulting them, i said, hadith contradict The Quran, themselves and common sense, then they called the curse and death upon me if i'm a liar and then they started calling me a kaffir and here i am away from them, good, good, this is good.
I never lied their company either, well, except for the few sunnis with whom i was able to talk to about hadith because even though they knew i rejected them, they still treated me with respect and they still do, we still hang out almost every day, because they also have same problems like me - no accomodation, no job and lots of Patience and Huge Strength, Thank God.
God describes them very well and clearly in His Quran deaf, dumb and blind.
Peace.
Peace.
I haven't confronted anyone about them, except for my MIL and my husband. My MIL said it is a "sin" to question the hadiths, but my husband is a little more willing to listen to me. It's like chipping at a rock with a toothpick, he doesn't seem to listen to anything and gets angry right away when questioned. I say a little bit to him at a time, to let it sink in - because I know that he's listening but he's stubborn.
He's said to me that if I was in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia I'd be killed for my ideas.
Sound familiar Alen??
He's willing to do a "Qur'an study" with me weekly, so I'm going to pull up different themes (i.e. what the Qur'an says about intercession, the prophets being equal, etc). but not argue about the hadiths, but show him so he'll be aware what the Qur'an says.