Do you believe hijab is mandatory?
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The Qur'an lays down the principle of the law of modesty. In Surah 24 An-Nur 30 and 31, modesty is enjoined both upon Muslim men and Muslim women 4
Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty that will make for Greater purity for them And God is Well-acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women That they should lower their gaze And guard their modesty and they should not display beauty and ornaments expect what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that They must draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, or their women, or their slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their ornaments.
The Qur'an advises the wives of the Prophet (SAS) to go veiled (33 59).
In Surah 24 31(Ayah), the Qur'an advises women to cover their "adornments" from strangers outside the family. In the traditional and modern Arab societies women at home dress quite differently compared to what they wear in the streets. In this verse of the Qur'an, it refers to the institution of a new public modesty rather than veiling the face.
One of the verses in the Qur'an protects a woman's fundamental rights. Aya 59 from Sura al-Ahzab reads
O Prophet! Tell Thy wives And daughters, and the Believing women, that They should cast their Outer garments over Their Persons (when outside) That they should be known (As such) and not Molested.
Salam, Peace, Dear brother,
In this thread some were arguing about arab dictionnaries, and found that they nearly (99.99999% of them) translate the word e.g. khimar as a head cover etc etc please read thread to have more info. Also we have the same with 3359 as you mentionned which translate JALABIB pl of JILBAB as a wide cover women use to cover from head to feet.
Dear brothers, you should know by now all the dictionnaries mentionned are influenced by sunni (or even shii) point of view and are not God's word, the same has been done for all pre-islamic poems, there was under the Omeyad Khalifa a kind of censure and moral cleaning against anything not going in there way, it was for sure to control political opposition etc etc etc.
Khimar and jilbab are good examples of it in the Quran.
But HAMDOULILAH God is the most wise and used arabic language to deliver his message, and with the roots of the words we can easily understand the original meaning of any word.
Then khimar just mean smth you use to cover, that is it, if GOD wanted to say to cover head He would have said it and repeated it.For jilbab we have even a better example how people twisted the meaning of a word, please see post for references
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598413.0
It never meant a cloth or whatever but people with the time, they just invented a new meaning with no relation at all to the origin of word.best regards
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Dear brothers, you should know by now all the dictionnaries mentionned are influenced by sunni (or even shii) point of view and are not God's word, the same has been done for all pre-islamic poems, there was under the Omeyad Khalifa a kind of censure and moral cleaning against anything not going in there way, it was for sure to control political opposition etc etc etc.
Yeah that sucks...
Anyway, has anyone read Mohsin Khan's version of 2431? rotfl rotfl
"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful."
As far as I'm concerned...this is not even in accordance to the hadith (which gives women the persmission to show their hands and faces)!
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Peace
Woah! o Whats with all the brackets in that verse! Who is he to add what he likes to the Quran? Grrrr
God bless
did he change/remove/add in the original text? nope its a translation/explanation of his understanding of the book. he is way better then 19ers atleast.
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did he change/remove/add in the original text? nope its a translation/explanation of his understanding of the book. he is way better then 19ers atleast.
If he wants to give an explanation in his own opinion then he can give it elsewhere. The Quran is clear and detailed. I'm sure God didn't miss anything out.
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If he wants to give an explanation in his own opinion then he can give it elsewhere. The Quran is clear and detailed. I'm sure God didn't miss anything out.
elsewhere? thats why he uses brackets.
which translation on earth is not the opinion of the translator? or you want everyone to learn arabic and read and understand quran in its own language?
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elsewhere? thats why he uses brackets.
which translation on earth is not the opinion of the translator? or you want everyone to learn arabic and read and understand quran in its own language?
I'm just talking about the brackets. He can translate words however he likes but there is no need too add stuff. Especially that much!
Didn't you say God answers prayers faster when you pray to Him in Arabic? They might as well learn Arabic then right? -
Didn't you say God answers prayers faster when you pray to Him in Arabic? They might as well learn Arabic then right?
Thank you for accepting the importance of arabic, that is what i wanted to show you, hopefully you won't ask any proof any further.
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Thank you for accepting the importance of arabic, that is what i wanted to show you, hopefully you won't ask any proof any further.
I was being sarcastic. You didn't answer my question on the other thread. Why does it take longer for God to answer prayers that are not in arabic? Does He need time to flick through His bilingual dictionaries?
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I was being sarcastic. You didn't answer my question on the other thread. Why does it take longer for God to answer prayers that are not in arabic? Does He need time to flick through His bilingual dictionaries?
dear sister the person who started this thread would mind discussing other threads' issues here. we will see everything accordingly. be patient please.
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he is way better then 19ers atleast.
You have not a clue how wrong this statement of yours is.
Just to use one example, he (as well as other sunni interpreters) translate the punishment for theft to be "cut off their hands from the wrist joint."
While anyone who is a righteous observer of the Quran will know, that "Aqta'u idayhum" means CUT their hands, not cut off their hands. In addition to this, elsewhere in the Quran the admirers (fangirls) of prophet Yusuf cut their hands (same arabic pronounciation) because they thought he was an angel (or hot...lol). They quite obviously did not severe themselves in the process.
Sub.org deciphers the correct translation from Quranic knowledge, and not from hadith. It's also quite interesting that the same sunnis who translate 538, translate 1250 to the women "cut their hands" and not "cut off" despite the fact the pronounciations in both verse are exactly the same. They are sad hypocrites.
Free-minds at least uses common sense when it comes to translating the Quran, however when it comes to 538 their understanding of Quran < submission.org's.
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Yeah that sucks...
Anyway, has anyone read Mohsin Khan's version of 2431? rotfl rotfl
"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful."
As far as I'm concerned...this is not even in accordance to the hadith (which gives women the persmission to show their hands and faces)!
The Hilali/Khan translation is the worst translation of the Quran that I have ever seen. They add so many things in brackets with "ie." to put a Hadithist interpretation of the Quran elektro
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They should put a banner above it saying "buy this if you're a sunni" laugh
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They should put a banner above it saying "buy this if you're a sunni" laugh
Good ! rotfl bravo
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlUNWsO6dyA
Video shows a woman, a nun and a ninja laugh
I find it funny the commenters on the video calls Sonya Khan "ignorant" when the nun (Sammayah Hussein) ignorantly claimed the Quran commands women to "wear the hijab (or cover your heads) rotfl" which she did right before the host corrected her from reading a rather authentic translation of the Quranic verse. Maybe the nun is really a Christian following Christian practices found in the hadith. )
CHAPTER 24 HIJAAB ? ANOTHER FALSEHOOD COPIED FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE
There is absolutely no mention of head cover for women or men in any verse in the Quran.
WHERE DOES THE HEAD COVER FOR WOMEN REALLY COME FROM ?
Now we will solve the mystery of where the ulema plagiarized the idea of the head cover for women. Here it is
Bible, 1st Corinthians 11
And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head?it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.Judge for yourselves Is it proper for a woman to pray to GOD with her head uncovered?
The idea that a woman shall cover her head especially when she is ?praying? is stolen from the Christian Bible. That is why until today the best head cover is worn by the Catholic nuns. Remember the late Mother Theresa and her Christian nuns ? Where did Mother Theresa learn to wear the head cover ? Obviously not from the ulema. She learnt it from her Bible. And as we all know the Bible came long before the ulema.
The ulema have plagiarized material from the Bible and tried to pass it off as ?hadith Bukhari? and other such fake stories.
I also find it wierd that I'm 20 years old yet I seem to have clearer understanding of what submission to God really is than people who are older than me.
But ya know...God is the most knowledgeable anyway...
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlUNWsO6dyA
Video shows a woman, a nun and a ninja laugh
I find it funny the commenters on the video calls Sonya Khan "ignorant" when the nun (Sammayah Hussein) ignorantly claimed the Quran commands women to "wear the hijab (or cover your heads) rotfl" which she did right before the host corrected her from reading a rather authentic translation of the Quranic verse. Maybe the nun is really a Christian following Christian practices found in the hadith.
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Sonya Khan "Does the Quran command women to wear the hijab? There is no verse stating this."
Sammayah Hussein" "Yes it does she. She just read it."
Host reading from Quran "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze, and to cast their scarves over their breasts..."
http//i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg179/Final_Fantasy_Ultimania/haermm.gif
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Sonya Khan "Does the Quran command women to wear the hijab? There is no verse stating this."
Sammayah Hussein" "Yes it does she. She just read it."
Host reading from Quran "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze, and to cast their scarves over their breasts..."
http//i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg179/Final_Fantasy_Ultimania/haermm.gif
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