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Beating wife theory is negated by Qur'aan=4:34

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    unknownuser
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    rotfl looooooooooooool Q_s.... you get mad at me for quoting Hadiths when I mock them bu then quote Hadiths with a silly exmplanation of a Quarnic verse.

    give him another chance he would come with better explanation inshaAllah.

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      rotfl looooooooooooool Q_s.... you get mad at me for quoting Hadiths when I mock them bu then quote Hadiths with a silly exmplanation of a Quarnic verse.

      Peace
      I am not quoting Hadiths. I am quoting "Muhammad Asad".
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        Samia
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        Peace
        I am not quoting Hadiths. I am quoting "Muhammad Asad".
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        Are you serious ? confused

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          Are you serious ? confused

          Sure
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            unknownuser
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            Peace
            I am not quoting Hadiths. I am quoting "Muhammad Asad".
            Regards

            yes that is not same, its different when you quote one of the most latest authorities.

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              Samia
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              yes that is not same, its different when you quote one of the most latest authorities.

              HAHAHA

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                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                I am not quoting Hadiths.

                Of course not...

                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                  unknownuser
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                  Is this supposed to be a response to my question?

                  How does "dharaba" become "punish"? Can you find such a meaning in classical arabic dictionaries?
                  The translator simply couldn't say "strike them/beat them up", because he will have to say which part of the body and with what, and even then, it will no more be "dharaba", but "latama", sakka", rafasa"...many many words. The meaning "strike/beat" does not stand for "dharaba" by itself.

                  Salaam,

                  what do you think about 273 and 3793 in these verses there is no mention of any specific part of body

                  http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat2_files/2_73.gif

                  http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat37_files/37_93.gif

                  I havn't seen any example where darb mean "beat" without mentioning of "with what" so you seem right about that though.

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                    Salaam,

                    what do you think about 273 and 3793 in these verses there is no mention of any specific part of body

                    I havn't seen any example where darb mean "beat" without mentioning of "with what" so you seem right about that though.

                    That is truly a very interesting observation. This alone would prove that "idribuhunne" in 434 does not say "beat them".

                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                      Most Christians believe in one God, they just get a little confused with this trinity thing (which, of course was not in the early Christian Church, was put there by the Church of Rome about 900 years ago)

                      Actually, that happened a bit less than 1700 years ago.

                      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                        Q_student
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                        Salaam,

                        what do you think about 273 and 3793 in these verses there is no mention of any specific part of body

                        http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat2_files/2_73.gif

                        http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat37_files/37_93.gif

                        I havn't seen any example where darb mean "beat" without mentioning of "with what" so you seem right about that though.

                        Peace ;
                        Brother ! your observation is not correct.It is not essential to describe the "weapon" with which to do "dharaba".

                        Regards

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                          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                          Which chapter number is that verse in?

                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                            Peace ;
                            Brother ! your observation is not correct.It is not essential to describe the "weapon" with which to do "dharaba".

                            Regards

                            yes here the part of body is mentioned. do you have any example where darb mean beat without the mention of "where" or "with what"?

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                              Which chapter number is that verse in?

                              Peace
                              Very strange ,I have given the Sura Name . Cannot you read it ??
                              Regards

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                                yes here the part of body is mentioned. do you have any example where darb mean beat without the mention of "where" or "with what"?

                                Peace
                                You need to mention only "Maf3ool Bihi " after the verb "Dharaba".If you mention "weapon" or not that is immaterial as in the verses I have given you as an example.
                                Seebavayh in his famous book "alkitab" gives the following example.

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                                  Please bring such example from quran if you are truthful or accept your fault.

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                                    Please bring such example from quran if you are truthful or accept your fault.

                                    Peace
                                    Arabic language existed before Quran was revealed. We need to know Arabic to understand Quran. No doubt Quran has used many words ,but not all the construction or verbs and structures are used by the Quran. 434 is very good example for it.Othewise Classical arabic examples can explain the Quranic constructions.It is the reason all scholars modren or old have been relying on the Classical Arabic literature.
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                                      Samia
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                                      Peace ;
                                      Brother ! your observation is not correct.It is not essential to describe the "weapon" with which to do "dharaba".

                                      Regards

                                      It's at least either "with what" or "where". You can't have adhribu = strike/beat up without either one of these. here we have "where" fawqal a3naaq and banaan

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                                        Samia
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                                        Peace
                                        You need to mention only "Maf3ool Bihi " after the verb "Dharaba".If you mention "weapon" or not that is immaterial as in the verses I have given you as an example.
                                        Seebavayh in his famous book "alkitab" gives the following example.

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                                        Regards

                                        Why don't you bring the whole entry for the verb "dharaba"? Does this example show that "dharaba" means "beat up/strike"? I did not say it does not exist without mention of weapon or area, but what I said is that when it exists like in this example (no weapon no area ) it only means "beat with a sword/ a cane/ a whip = strike to kill. And "aldharb" is fighting in a battle. So this example simply means Abdullahi struck zaid (in a battle)/ killed zaid.

                                        I am sure if you were able to find in Sibawayh something better than that, you would have brought it up. But if Alkhaleel -ibn Ahmed in his "kitabul 3ain" did not give this meaning of beating up; Sibaway wouldn't.

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                                          Why don't you bring the whole entry for the verb "dharaba"? Does this example show that "dharaba" means "beat up/strike"? I did not say it does not exist without mention of weapon or area, but what I said is that when it exists like in this example (no weapon no area ) it only means "beat with a sword/ a cane/ a whip = strike to kill. And "aldharb" is fighting in a battle. So this example simply means Abdullahi struck zaid (in a battle)/ killed zaid.

                                          I am sure if you were able to find in Sibawayh something better than that, you would have brought it up. But if Alkhaleel -ibn Ahmed in his "kitabul 3ain" did not give this meaning of beating up; Sibaway wouldn't.

                                          Peace
                                          004.034
                                          YUSUFALI Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

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