A Question About Jinns
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Peace "MuchMuur",
You still haven't mentioned what exactly a jinn is. What differentiates a jinn from a human? What do jinns look like, and where do they live? These are some important questions that need to be answered.
Also, what about Qur'aanic passages like this
Did I not take a covenant with you, you children of Adam, that you shall not worship the devil, that he is your most ardent enemy? (3660)
If the jinn beings were already present on this earth by the time Adam was formed and placed upon it, then the jinns are NOT children of Adam. So, why didn't G-d mention taking a covenant with the jinns? Why only the humans (children of Adam)? Isn't the devil an enemy of the jinns too?
You children of Adam, do not let the devil dupe you as he did when he caused the eviction of your parents from the garden, and the removal of their garments to expose their bodies... (727)
Again, is this saying that the jinns were NOT expelled from the garden? In other words, are they still in the "paradise"? Why doesn't the Qur'aan mention them in this passage? Why only the children of Adam? Here's an interesting point the scriptures mention
He is Who created you from one soul/self/person. And He made from HER a spouse to be secure to HER, so when he covered her, she bore a light weigh... (7189)
Now, what does this have to do with the subject at hand? Simple. Since the Qur'aan is a message to the entire world, this passage emphasizes that we all, humans and jinns, come from ONE PERSON. However, this person was NOT Adam, it was his wife (the passage repeatedly refers to "her". So, since humans are called "bani Adam", then the jinns must be the descendants of someone else other than Adam. And the only other person mentioned as being banished to this earth was Iblis, the one who rejected. Therefore, Iblis must've reproduced with Eve (Adam's wife) to produce the race of jinns, who are a separate race from the humans.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Now, what does this have to do with the subject at hand? Simple. Since the Qur'aan is a message to the entire world, this passage emphasizes that we all, humans and jinns, come from ONE PERSON. However, this person was NOT Adam, it was his wife (the passage repeatedly refers to "her". So, since humans are called "bani Adam", then the jinns must be the descendants of someone else other than Adam. And the only other person mentioned as being banished to this earth was Iblis, the one who rejected. Therefore, Iblis must've reproduced with Eve (Adam's wife) to produce the race of jinns, who are a separate race from the humans.
Peace,
Ahmad
Wow, normally I'm very open minded to various opinions, but those statements above are assumptions with no logical basis. There is way too much that we do not know about everything that relates to the story of Adam. To simply create statements out of one or two variables is a good way to create a faulty foundation.
The Quran clearly states that Satan was an angel, by virtue of the immense powers and rank bestowed upon him. This is why he is addressed as an angel (234, 711, 1529, 1761, 1850, 20116, 3871) prior to his fall. By definition, a jinn is a fallen angel (1850). Satan's rebellion teaches us that the angels were created with minds of their own, and absolute freedom of choice (234).
I don't know that the Quran clearly states that Iblees was an angel. It might be implied, and even then by association only. And only then if whoever is making the implication can state what the nature an "angel" might be. Linguistically "angel" is originated from the greek for messenger. This doesn't work with the arabic word Malaak, which is closer to "controller" as was previously stated. We know that Djinn and Man were created, from the essence of fire and the essence of clay, respectively. I haven't been able to find a place in the Reading that mentions that Mala'ikah were created entities, let alone from light or what have you. This indicates to me that a Malaak is more of a title or a function.
In my understanding, the act of the Sajdah commanded of Mala'ikah to Adam can be interpreted as the forces of the universe and all that controls them "re-arranging themselves" in favor of this new creation. Like the way everything on earth is "man-sized" and how the moon and sun and stars seem to be convenient in how they make our lives easier. One of the reasons why mankind always felt they were the center of the universe.
The Mala'ikah could be composed of an innumerable number of creations, with Iblis of the Djinn being one of them. Perhaps the Malaak of gravity, math, chemistry, etc. all acquiesced and submitted to Man except the Malaak of passion, unpredictability and desire represented by fire. God knows best.
As far as the Djinn are concerned, the Qur'an indicates to me that they are a separate entity from us 2739 and 727 for example.
I think the confusion comes in when we try to fit all the concepts of the unseen into the small cube of our existence. We are creatures that live in the third-dimension. Can we really grasp the real nature of that which exists in dimensions that are beyond our own? We know that every higher dimension contains the entirety of the dimensions below it. However lesser dimensions only experience aspects of higher dimensions as only they intersect with them.
To the two dimensional being, everything it will see will be in two dimensions. If a two dimensional being were to see us, they wouldn't understand us. A two dimensional cutout of you will look like an MRI slide. However if they catch us at the right "slice" they will be able to recognize that we have eyes and the like and then talk about us around a campfire.
Djinn and all things of the "beyond" might be nebulous but they can also just be beyond our comprehension, doesn't mean they don't exist as sentient beings. As for the Shayateen al-Jinn, the method of their interaction with us could be through our fantasies and emotions. The same way as the Shayateen of the marketing industries interact with us through our desires and emotions.
Just because I believe these entities might be sentient does not mean that I believe they will look like anything hollywood or our imaginations can come up with. There is no reason for them to be required to submit to the same laws of the universe as we do, they do not have to be biological, physical or even quantum mechanical. Simply because the Mala'ikah have sajadu to us does not mean they have recreated the entirety of reality in our image. We are an arrogant race.
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Satan can be present in a man, and many intuitively understand this. "It was satan". This is when you may say "I seek refuge in God/Allah"
My advice is to stay away from satanic people.
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Peace Bedouin,
Wow, normally I'm very open minded to various opinions, but those statements above are assumptions with no logical basis. There is way too much that we do not know about everything that relates to the story of Adam. To simply create statements out of one or two variables is a good way to create a faulty foundation.
Mine is not a faulty foundation at all... The Qur'aan states that it is a message for the entire world, and there are "jinns" mentioned in the scriptures are accepting the message and becoming believers. Therefore, the message is also for them. However, the Qur'aan forces a separation by stating that God chose only the "bani Adam" (children of Adam), and it refers to the "jinns" as the children of "the satan". Now, let's put all these facts together...
If the Qur'aan is for the entire world, then it's message is all encompassing. So, when God said that He created everyone from "ONE SOUL", referencing "her" (7189), it's implying that the jinns also came from "her", the same person. During this period, there was only one "her", and it was the wife of Adam. However, the jinn beings are NOT children of Adam. Therefore, SOMEONE other than Adam must've reproduced with Eve (Adam's wife) to produce the jinns. And if they are the literal offspring of "the satan" (or Iblis), which the Qur'aan states, then it must be him. He was, in fact, punished according to the scriptures as well, being banished to the earth along with Adam and his wife...
Coincidentally, this same concept is mentioned in the Jewish Mischnah, regarding "the satan" having sex with Eve and producing a new species of humanity, allegedly beginning with Cain...
Peace,
Ahmad
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jinns are jews? lol! thats too funny!
I thought they said that Jews are pigs - they probably have not come to a consensus about that yet... laugh
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I thought they said that Jews are pigs - they probably have not come to a consensus about that yet... laugh
they are monkeys, pigs and rats.
http//i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/jaythikay99/monkeyjews.jpg
http//i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/jaythikay99/ratjews.jpg
http//i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/jaythikay99/pigs.jpg
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Actually that could be true. As the command 'Be' of God is executed. Maybe they really became monkeys.
Of course! All monkey are Jews! yay
Dude, you are take things too literal. Did you forget about "mustashabihat"? -
Of course! All monkey are Jews! yay
Dude, you are take things too literal. Did you forget about "mustashabihat"?if pigs are not jews why then Muslims and jews do not eat pork?
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Actually that could be true. As the command 'Be' of God is executed. Maybe they really became monkeys.
interesting observation! you are a wise man.
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That's just mean.
and when jews make fun of our beautiful religion? see
http//sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/wife-beat_new1.jpg
http//clouddragon.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/bakheet-al-anzi-mishwak.jpg
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and when jews make fun of our beautiful religion? see
http//sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/wife-beat_new1.jpg
http//clouddragon.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/bakheet-al-anzi-mishwak.jpg
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Yeah when we make fun of the Jews we are antisemitic. When Muslims are mocked, its freedom of speech and we are fascists.
voodoo
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if pigs are not jews why then Muslims and jews do not eat pork?
Well, if Jews are pigs, then that would explain the prohibiton - we're not carnivores! laugh
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Well, if Jews are pigs, then that would explain the prohibiton - we're not carnivores! laugh
EDIT not human-eaters.