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    bkanwar2
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    Please share your understanding of Arabic word "". Thanks.

    Badar

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      Samia
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      Please share your understanding of Arabic word "". Thanks.

      Badar

      Frankly speaking, I find the translation "channels" rediculous in this context. I used it just because you quoted the translation, and I did not have the intention to "proof-read" it. The meaning of in this context means "behaviour" or more precisely the way ends of words behave; from the root Jeem Raa Yaa to run; "jaraa mairaa X" behaved like X; "jaraa majraahu" continued (as it is). Again the context is important.

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        bkanwar2
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        Dear Sister, my hats off to you. You do get emotional, like me. But you also try to remain objective and helpful. I appreciate it, greatly. Do you feel the root of this word is Jeem Ra Ra or Jeem Ra Ya. Thanks again.

        Badar

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          bkanwar2
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          Sister do you think this a grammatical word?

          Badar

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            Samia
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            Sister do you think this a grammatical word?

            Badar

            No. There's nothing called "grammatical word", but normal words borrowed for grammar purposes.

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              Sister, all other languages of the world, have phenomenon called grammaticalization of words to create new words. Where new words are created based on concrete words and these new grammatical words carry concepts of concrete words. Why do you feel Arabic is an exception to the norm? Thanks as always.

              Badar

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                Samia
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                Sister, all other languages of the world, have phenomenon called grammaticalization of words to create new words. Where new words are created based on concrete words and these new grammatical words carry concepts of concrete words. Why do you feel Arabic is an exception to the norm? Thanks as always.

                Badar

                Because arabic has an only way of growing and enriching its vocabulary and that's through the root and pattern system. Any new Arabic word has to be traced to a root, be it grammatical or theological. I can comfortably say that arabic has neither specific grammmatical nor theological vocabulary that cannot be used in ordinary language.

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                  bkanwar2
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                  So dear sister, why people are having so much problem in translating this word from AlKitab. I will share the translation of title this chapter by person who claims to know Arabic, having learnt it by mixing with Bedwins in Saudi Arabia.

                  "THIS CHAPTER IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE FINAL STATEMENT IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE."

                  Badar

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                    Samia
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                    So dear sister, why people are having so much problem in translating this word from AlKitab. I will share the translation of title this chapter by person who claims to know Arabic, having learnt it by mixing with Bedwins in Saudi Arabia.

                    "THIS CHAPTER IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE FINAL STATEMENT IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE."

                    Badar

                    Who told you that the beduins of Saudi Arabia are the best in Arabic?!
                    Anyways, why don't you read the book yourself and see if this translation fits the context?
                    And what's the "final statement in the Arabic language" for heaven's sake?

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                      Who told you that the beduins of Saudi Arabia are the best in Arabic?!
                      Anyways, why don't you read the book yourself and see if this translation fits the context?
                      And what's the "final statement in the Arabic language" for heaven's sake?

                      Apparently, beduins base this claim, on their whims and conjectures. Since a messenger came there 1400 years ago and left a written script that appears similar to what they write. They ought to be correct in their claim of speaking the same language. Although this is in defiance to all established facts of science of language. But who cares. We are correct by our birth right. Who cares about the right given by creator i.e., a right achieved by "correct deeds". Here correct deed would be to acquire knowledge of the language of the script, by learning science of learning a given language.

                      You said "And what's the "final statement in the Arabic language" for heaven's sake?"

                      I thought the same. If one approachs any discipline of knowledge with out following the correct principles of learning it i.e., "the right deeds". This is the end result.

                      I have already translated it, but you are unlikely to agree with it. should be translated as "rules established or established rules".

                      Badar

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                        herbman
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                        Hi all,

                        Maybe I have an example of zipped word, if you can check it with me and tell me what you think.

                        Quran 3745

                        what does means for you, is it + = source water

                        if answer is yes

                        • which grammatical rule has been used, I don't see any JAZM or SUKUN on top of MIM to mark end of the word
                          if answer is no
                          -what does means then?

                        Peace

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                          Mazhar
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                          Have you been to a drink party of upper class?

                          If yes, read the four Aa'ya'at, you may find what is being done there.

                          Water is something tasteless.

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                            herbman
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                            smth white with a good taste and would not intoxicate.

                            mmmm it is either milk or batida de coco alcohol free rotfl

                            sorry in the translation mislead me ???

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                              bkanwar2
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                              Herbman excellent pick of a word again. So what do you make out of this one?

                              Badar

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                                smth white with a good taste and would not intoxicate.

                                mmmm it is either milk or batida de coco alcohol free rotfl

                                sorry in the translation mislead me ???

                                Neither that will cause hangover nor they will get stupified with it. Superior/old age whisky- less hang over/headache--less possibility of loosing senses.

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                                  bkanwar2
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                                  Dear Herbman, its root is a Hmonym, usually a combination of two words and written like this . Hope this should help.

                                  Badar

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                                    bkanwar2
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                                    so is it not a noun derived from a verb .

                                    Badar

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                                      bkanwar2
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                                      But I guess your next question would be what means? Please look it up under it's roots & . Hope this helps. Peace.

                                      Badar

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                                        Samia
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                                        But I guess your next question would be what means? Please look it up under it's roots & . Hope this helps. Peace.

                                        Badar

                                        Still insisting on this imaginary theory which you fail to prove?

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                                          bkanwar2
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                                          My Dear Sister proof is there. Is there anybody willing to heed to it. Please open Lane's lexicon and Look up both words & . With peace and lots of respect.

                                          Badar

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