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    nsws1988
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    Wow Wakas do you think cocaine/prostitutes/pornography and currencies trading is similar.
    confusedBuying and saling currencies gold crude oil etc that is all trading its means buying and saling property and garments cars etc are all Haram, how about vigi cucumber redish fish etc.

    Can you please expalain why trading currencies is Haram. &

    peace

    I think he said that because you said...

    It is a trade and Trad is allowed.

    When actually not ALL trade is allowed eg prostitution, drugs etc

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      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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      When actually not ALL trade is allowed eg prostitution, drugs etc

      ??? Currencies?!?!?!?! Why should that be forbidden?

      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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        nsws1988
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        ??? Currencies?!?!?!?! Why should that be forbidden?

        I never said currency is in that category of forbidden trade. Just clearing up that just because something is trade it doesn't mean that it is halal. There is both halal and haram. I do not know the answer for currency as I do not know much about forex trading )

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          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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          I never said currency is in that category of forbidden trade. Just clearing up that just because something is trade it doesn't mean that it is halal. There is both halal and haram. I do not know the answer for currency as I do not know much about forex trading )

          Dr.Wiki might help http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forex_trading

          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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            afridi220
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            I never said currency is in that category of forbidden trade. Just clearing up that just because something is trade it doesn't mean that it is halal. There is both halal and haram. I do not know the answer for currency as I do not know much about forex trading )

            General consensus is that foreign exchange markets trading is permissible under Islamic law where the trading is of one currency for another. However, there is some debate whether forward trading on foreign exchange markets is prohibited under the Riba prohibition rules of Islamic law. Some of the differences in opinions are because of the varying interpretation of Fiqh by the various schools of thoughts

            forex trading works very similar to stock trading. Foreign exchange trading involves investing your funds in a certain currency and selling later when prices are favorable. For example, a few months ago, the exchange of the US dollar to British Pound was very close to 1 US dollar to 1 British Pound. However, lately, one British Pound is approximately equivalent to 2 US dollars. If you would have bought British Pounds at that time, you would have almost doubled your money by now.

            To instigate a foreign exchange transaction, you need to simultaneous purchase one currency at the same time as selling another. Every foreign exchange transaction involves a long and short currency. The ?long? currency will be the currency you purchase, while the ?short? currency is the currency you sell

            There are no commission fees with foreign exchange trading as dealers make a profit on the ?spread? ? the difference between the rate they buy the currency at and the rate they sell this to you.

            Trades are instant

            The market is open 24-hours a day

            The market is too big for one player to influence the price

            There is no fixed trade size

            There are no middle-men

            Internet access makes it a cheap and economical means of investing

            peace peace

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              Wakas
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              peace afridi, all,

              nsws1988 kindly clarified in reply 9.

              It is very simple is fiat currency allowed as per Quran? If yes, then yes you can trade it. If the answer is no, then trading it is highly unlikely to be acceptable.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                peace afridi, all,

                nsws1988 kindly clarified in reply 9.

                It is very simple is fiat currency allowed as per Quran? If yes, then yes you can trade it. If the answer is no, then trading it is highly unlikely to be acceptable.

                Peace Wakas
                Any aya from Quran which says it is allowed are not allowed??

                peace

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                  Wakas
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                  peace afridi,

                  There are articles discussing Quranic monetary system, e.g. on free-minds and elswhere.

                  It is based on precious metals, e.g. gold.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                    I'd say it should be fine, because it's trade.

                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                      nsws1988
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                      I'd say it should be fine, because it's trade.

                      so all trade is fine?

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                        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                        so all trade is fine?

                        Perhaps when you sell pork, then not. Although I cant find evidence for that in the Quran.
                        It only says "prohibited for an eater".

                        Slave trade, prostitution and the like is of course forbidden.

                        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                          nsws1988
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                          Perhaps when you sell pork, then not. Although I cant find evidence for that in the Quran.
                          It only says "prohibited for an eater".

                          Slave trade, prostitution and the like is of course forbidden.

                          So just because something is trade it doesn't make it ok
                          It is what you are selling that is either halal or haram )

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                            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                            So just because something is trade it doesn't make it ok
                            It is what you are selling that is either halal or haram )

                            says who? do you have Quranic evidence?
                            Why could I not sell pork (for example)? Who says so? God says it is forbidden for us to eat.

                            Let me know if you have any Quranic evidence.

                            Peace

                            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                              nsws1988
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                              says who? do you have Quranic evidence?
                              Why could I not sell pork (for example)? Who says so? God says it is forbidden for us to eat.

                              Let me know if you have any Quranic evidence.

                              Peace

                              I wasn't talking about pork dear calm down )
                              I'm just saying not all trade is ok. some is good some is bad. We must use the Quran to know which is good and which is bad.

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                                MUNZIR_ALI
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                                So, is selling pork forbidden for muslims?

                                peace

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                                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                  I wasn't talking about pork dear calm down
                                  I'm just saying not all trade is ok. some is good some is bad. We must use the Quran to know which is good and which is bad.

                                  Peace,

                                  didnt intend my post to be that "aggressive" laugh
                                  What I wanted to point out though, is that we cant just say a thing is prohibited without looking at the Quran FIRST.
                                  Shias say that any other sea food other than white fish is prohibited. Once they look into the Quran, they are baffled because the dietary prohibiton list is far, far, far... smaller than theirs.

                                  So, do you have Quranic evidence that selling pork, alcohol, etc. is prohibited.

                                  6145 Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

                                  Does it say that we cant sell it?

                                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                    nsws1988
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                                    didnt intend my post to be that "aggressive" laugh

                                    handshake

                                    So, do you have Quranic evidence that selling pork, alcohol, etc. is prohibited.

                                    Nope. But we don't have Quranic evidence that selling drugs, pornography.etc is prohibited either, which is why I do not know

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                                      Bigmo
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                                      Peace Wakas
                                      Any aya from Quran which says it is allowed are not allowed??

                                      peace

                                      Society should determine what is harmful and what is not. Anything thats is deemed harmful for society and dangerous should be banned. Prostitution if done by women willingly is perhaps less dangerous than trading drugs. Many societies have experience in this and laws should be based on experience and the common good. This is for experts to decide and not common folks. Some societies allowed prostitution and drugs but they regulate them.

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                                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                                        Society should determine what is harmful and what is not. Anything thats is deemed harmful for society and dangerous should be banned. Prostitution if done by women willingly is perhaps less dangerous than trading drugs. Many societies have experience in this and laws should be based on experience and the common good. This is for experts to decide and not common folks. Some societies allowed prostitution and drugs but they regulate them.

                                        bravo bravo

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                                          Abdun_Nur
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                                          Salaam,

                                          forex trading, it is interesting to see most people wish to endorse this as Islamic trade, the best and simpliest way to understand Riba, or usury, as it is called in English, and so grasp what trade means, is in relation to what ownership is, you need to understand both these concepts to understand trade.

                                          Do you understand ownership? If you would like to know what ownership is read the information on this link

                                          http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/68/98/

                                          When this is understood the definition of usury is simple, 'the premeditated theft of the fruits of someone else's labour.'.

                                          So in a forex trade you extract the fruits of someone else's labour, for your own benefit, with premeditation, without any labour yourself, consider this further with the understanding of ownership.

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