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Are pigs unclean?

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    Prince
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    The Reading states pigs meat is forbidden to eat because it's dirty meat. It's illogical for anyone to conclude that eating and touching are the same thing. )

    Pigs are not created haphazardly by The God but for specific purposes in our world.

    PEACE

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      nsws1988
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      May traditional muslims say that touching pigs is haraam because they are unclean...Is this true

      You are welcome to post your opinion

      Traditional muslims say a lot of baloney!

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        aynur
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        May traditional muslims say that touching pigs is haraam because they are unclean...Is this true

        You are welcome to post your opinion

        I believe my translation says we shouldn't touch the carcass either (the dead body of a pig). But I don't see anything about a pig being dirty in and of itself when it's alive, as long as we don't eat it.

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          afridi220
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          I believe my translation says we shouldn't touch the carcass either (the dead body of a pig). But I don't see anything about a pig being dirty in and of itself when it's alive, as long as we don't eat it.

          http//answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061214193410AAo664U

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            yellowbeans
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            I believe my translation says we shouldn't touch the carcass either (the dead body of a pig). But I don't see anything about a pig being dirty in and of itself when it's alive, as long as we don't eat it.

            is your translation by dr. mohsin khan?!? he is known for injecting his own opinions into the quran.

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              MUNZIR_ALI
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              I believe my translation says we shouldn't touch the carcass either (the dead body of a pig). But I don't see anything about a pig being dirty in and of itself when it's alive, as long as we don't eat it.

              All dead bodies are unclean right?

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                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                is your translation by dr. mohsin khan?!? he is known for injecting his own opinions into the quran.

                Hilali/Khan's translation is the worst ever.
                The prohibition for touching the pigs' carcasses comes from the Bible - it has no Quranic basis.
                Only the flesh of the pig is prohibited for consumption since it is unclean.

                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                  Hilali/Khan's translation is the worst ever.
                  The prohibition for touching the pigs' carcasses comes from the Bible - it has no Quranic basis.
                  Only the flesh of the pig is prohibited for consumption since it is unclean.

                  I know why it is "unclean" as far as the old testament is concerned, but why is it unclean in the Quran. Is it the same?

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                    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                    I know why it is "unclean" as far as the old testament is concerned, but why is it unclean in the Quran. Is it the same?

                    6145 Say, "I do not find in what is inspired to me forbidden except that it be already dead, or blood poured forth, or the meat of pig, for it is foul/unclean; or what is corruptly dedicated to other than God." Whoever is forced without seeking disobedience or transgression, then your Lord is Forgiving, Compassionate.

                    6146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful.

                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                      6145 Say, "I do not find in what is inspired to me forbidden except that it be already dead, or blood poured forth, or the meat of pig, for it is foul/unclean; or what is corruptly dedicated to other than God." Whoever is forced without seeking disobedience or transgression, then your Lord is Forgiving, Compassionate.

                      6146 For those who are Jewish, We forbade all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful.

                      But why pig in particular?

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                        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                        But why pig in particular?

                        Why not? If God forbids it, he forbids it.
                        Nevertheless, there are some diseases linked to pork. Search "Trichinose" on google.

                        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                          Alen
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                          I believe my translation says we shouldn't touch the carcass either (the dead body of a pig). But I don't see anything about a pig being dirty in and of itself when it's alive, as long as we don't eat it.

                          Peace,
                          Respectfully.

                          Of course we shouldn't touch any dead animals or humans. The flies, the worms that start excavations .... i don't think so.

                          Peace.

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                            aynur
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                            is your translation by dr. mohsin khan?!? he is known for injecting his own opinions into the quran.

                            Nope, I have Muhammad Asad's translation. And since I didn't go look up the verses I was just going by memory - I must have read some other translation online somewhere, and that's where I came up with the carcass prohibition. My apologies.

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                              slif
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                              Salaamz.

                              If you read the entire verse, you will find that if the meat is not eaten in a state of sin then the act is to be overlooked.

                              This would imply something deeper than a simple case of uncleanliness, as do most verses in the Qur'an (and Hadith) when they are read in light of context, locale and historical setting (i.e. reality).

                              Truth is not exclusive to deity and stands with or without humans to lay claim to it --
                              but free to all who would see it for, simply, what it is.

                              Give the Prophet a little credit, Peace Be Upon Him.

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                                MUNZIR_ALI
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                                Salaamz.

                                If you read the entire verse, you will find that if the meat is not eaten in a state of sin then the act is to be overlooked.

                                This would imply something deeper than a simple case of uncleanliness, as do most verses in the Qur'an (and Hadith) when they are read in light of context, locale and historical setting (i.e. reality).

                                Truth is not exclusive to deity and stands with or without humans to lay claim to it --
                                but free to all who would see it for, simply, what it is.

                                Give the Prophet a little credit, Peace Be Upon Him.

                                welcome Brother

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                                  slif
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                                  Thank you, happy to be here... and, if I may

                                  Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim

                                  "Praise be to God,
                                  Lord of all worlds,
                                  The Compassionate, the Merciful
                                  When the Last Day unfurls.

                                  You alone do we worhip,
                                  You alone we adore,
                                  O, make our path straight
                                  As of those you adore --

                                  Not such as the path
                                  Of those who brought wrath,
                                  Nor of they
                                  Who wander astray."

                                  Ameen

                                  The Holy Qur'an, like so many sacred expressions which have, over so many years, been dissected like labratory animals in the noble attempt to transmit their truths into a common language -- is nothing short of a musical ode or, rather, a collection of them, intended to inspire the partaker in a manor which only a musical ode can hope to achieve.

                                  To further dissect its meaning in such an ignoble manner, in the attempt to understand those truths, is to ultimately break from the harmony of them, thereby distracting from and distorting those truths and the original intention behind the message.

                                  I am, by no means, suggesting that my translation of Al-Fatiha is the verbatim reflection of the Arabic, but... Al-Fatiha rhymes, people!
                                  It's a song, not a subpoena.

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