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Anthony Wallace - a messenger or not?

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    TheAlinatore
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    Me really bein a messenger would have effect because I would be upholding the Torah and the Gospel, and the Quran; while you would just be upholding the Quran. A messengers job is to deliver the message, clearly. I only follow what is inspired to me.

    Really? So you accept Jesus as a son of God then? Have you studied the gospel, because that's what it teaches. Oh, let me guess, you are here to purify the gospel (which the Quran has already done) too? Give it up man, you bring nothing new, only your 'authorized' opinions.

    F.Y.I.The Quran was sent to correct what has been corrupted of the Torah and Gospel. Your claims of messengership are blasphemous and misguided Anthony, I only hope others seek God instead of you, lest they be held accountable.

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      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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      Adding to what I have already said
      Anthony Wallace called Ahmad Bilal and "his followers" "disbelievers
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597477.msg204268

      So far Anthony has 19% of the vote laugh and this is the 114th (19 x 6) reply laugh

      Peace

      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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        anthonywallace
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        Adding to what I have already said
        Anthony Wallace called Ahmad Bilal and "his followers" "disbelievers
        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597477.msg204268

        So far Anthony has 19% of the vote laugh and this is the 114th (19 x 6) reply laugh

        Peace

        Anthony, how can you be a messenger if you call believers like Ahmad Bilal and myself "satan" and say "shut up"?

        This is what you said (from http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598266.45)

        As for those who only guess at what saqar means, and so on... I will not follow your desires. If you dont know then you should just shut up if you knew what was better for you.

        Are you the messenger? Should we obey and follow you? Do you want to learn the Quran? Then why are you talking? Or is it the devil inspiring his supporters to argue with Gods messenger? Whoever challenges God and His messenegrs will lose. And whoever challenges God will be tortured severly. Why do you dispute about things you dont know? And reject Gods signs while you are bearing witness?

        @ everyone
        Also, please see my posts here
        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16162.30

        BTW this is something AW said in that thread
        Shut up, im bout gettin tired of you and all your false accusations

        I have not even falsely accused you of ONE thing, Anthony. In fact, I was the one who held back some comments that I wanted to make in the beginning, while others attacked you. But all you did was accusing me of lying, of accusing you of doing/saying certain things and many more things. You have made fun of people and told me to "shut up" and said that we have to obey you and that none of our opions are valid.

        If you truly were a messenger then you would follow this commandment

        16125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.

        Peace.
        If you have no objections, AW, then I'm out as well I guess.

        You have held nothin back. I have made fun of no one; unless they made fun of me, or God, or His verses, the believers, ect.... You dont have to obey me or do anything. And I never said that none of "you all" opinions are valid. I follow 16125 the best I can but the denyers dont like the messengers advise and wisdom.

        Yes I said what I said. And I ment what I said. I have been tryin to be paitent wit you but you want me to speak to you wit a clear saying also. You have been being critical, nitpicky, and impaitient;while I have been tryin to be paitent with you. Yes I told you to " shut up." You tell me to shut up.

        Do whatever you wish. You should not have any objections, so be out unless you want to be with the believing.

        If everyone see your posts they will see how it all started- with you being impaitient, nitpcky, and critical, a believer in falshood, saying " you are not a messenger" and denyin what I was sent with.

        People like you and Ahmad I dont consider believers. You have not believed. For the faith has not yet entered your hearts.

        As far as me and Ahmad is conserned- me and him go way back since before you on various discussions. So yes I called him Satan and told him to shut up and will continue to untill he and you cease. Just as he have done the same to me before.

        You should say " We have surrendered."

        peace

        Really? So you accept Jesus as a son of God then? Have you studied the gospel, because that's what it teaches. Oh, let me guess, you are here to purify the gospel (which the Quran has already done) too? Give it up man, you bring nothing new, only your 'authorized' opinions.

        F.Y.I.The Quran was sent to correct what has been corrupted of the Torah and Gospel. Your claims of messengership are blasphemous and misguided Anthony, I only hope others seek God instead of you, lest they be held accountable.

        568 Say ?O people of the Scripture, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Injeel and what was sent down to you from your Lord.? And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people.

        Thus, what you are saying is irrelevant. And you are not upon nothin. O people of the Scripture. laugh P P P P

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          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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          You have held nothin back. I have made fun of no one; unless they made fun of me, or God, or His verses, the believers, ect.... You dont have to obey me or do anything. And I never said that none of "you all" opinions are valid. I follow 16125 the best I can but the denyers dont like the messengers advise and wisdom.

          Yes I said what I said. And I ment what I said. I have been tryin to be paitent wit you but you want me to speak to you wit a clear saying also. You have been being critical, nitpicky, and impaitient;while I have been tryin to be paitent with you. Yes I told you to " shut up." You tell me to shut up.

          Do whatever you wish. You should not have any objections, so be out unless you want to be with the believing.

          If everyone see your posts they will see how it all started- with you being impaitient, nitpcky, and critical, a believer in falshood, saying " you are not a messenger" and denyin what I was sent with.

          People like you and Ahmad I dont consider believers. You have not believed. For the faith has not yet entered your hearts.

          As far as me and Ahmad is conserned- me and him go way back since before you on various discussions. So yes I called him Satan and told him to shut up and will continue to untill he and you cease. Just as he have done the same to me before.

          You are lying. I never told you to "shut up".
          Besides, YES YOU HAVE MADE FUN OF the girl that got abused. Check my post in that thread like I have shown you.
          You are not the patient one. I am. I have not insulted you. You are insulting people like Ahmad and myself very frequently. I dont care whether you two have been debating since 10 years or 2 or whatever. What matters is what you do/say. You cant call believers "satan" or tell them to "shut up" and you cant make fun of people who were abused. Its that simple. tha alone proves to me that you arent a messenger, since messengers have good manners and are nice to people, no matter how hard it is.

          Enough said. If you dont object, then I'm out.

          Peace

          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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            anthonywallace
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            You are lying. I never told you to "shut up".
            Besides, YES YOU HAVE MADE FUN OF the girl that got abused. Check my post in that thread like I have shown you.
            You are not the patient one. I am. I have not insulted you. You are insulting people like Ahmad and myself very frequently. I dont care whether you two have been debating since 10 years or 2 or whatever. What matters is what you do/say. You cant call believers "satan" or tell them to "shut up" and you cant make fun of people who were abused. Its that simple. tha alone proves to me that you arent a messenger, since messengers have good manners and are nice to people, no matter how hard it is.

            Enough said. If you dont object, then I'm out.

            Peace

            whatever

            Let you tell it........................

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              TheAlinatore
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              568 Say ?O people of the Scripture, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Injeel and what was sent down to you from your Lord.? And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people.

              Thus, what you are saying is irrelevant. And you are not upon nothin. O people of the Scripture. laugh P P P P

              All you did was quote a verse about people of the scripture (Jews, Christians) upholding their commandments and accepting the Quran because it corrects what was wrong with their scripture. When it refers to them rejecting, it clearly referencing the rejection of the Quran.

              Okay, so your point in reference to my claims you have done nothing to purify the Gospel and brought nothing new except your fake messengership was....nothing, right?

              I can do the same thing as you, in reference to any allegations you've had against me, I'll just give you some cool icons

              Jedi (self-explanatory) jedi

              Peace man (looks like pac-man but way more peaceful) peace

              Afro-man (not associated with the band) O0

              And finally

              Guy that quit just before graduation and now has to work at Mcdonald's giveup followed by his customer eat

              Based upon the icons I've chosen, I've clearly won this debate.

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                All you did was quote a verse about people of the scripture (Jews, Christians) upholding their commandments and accepting the Quran because it corrects what was wrong with their scripture. When it refers to them rejecting, it clearly referencing the rejection of the Quran.

                Okay, so your point in reference to my claims you have done nothing to purify the Gospel and brought nothing new except your fake messengership was....nothing, right?

                I can do the same thing as you, in reference to any allegations you've had against me, I'll just give you some cool icons

                Jedi (self-explanatory) jedi

                Peace man (looks like pac-man but way more peaceful) peace

                Afro-man (not associated with the band) O0

                And finally

                Guy that quit just before graduation and now has to work at Mcdonald's giveup followed by his customer eat

                Based upon the icons I've chosen, I've clearly won this debate.

                ignore You have won nothin..............................................You will be defeated and gateherd towards Hell!

                See how youll treat the believers? Im a believer and youll treat me wronge but expect me to kneel down to your conjecture and desires... And then when I defend myself then im bein mean or whatever you want to call it....

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                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                  Based upon the icons I've chosen, I've clearly won this debate.

                  rotfl

                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                    All you did was quote a verse about people of the scripture (Jews, Christians) upholding their commandments and accepting the Quran because it corrects what was wrong with their scripture. When it refers to them rejecting, it clearly referencing the rejection of the Quran.

                    Okay, so your point in reference to my claims you have done nothing to purify the Gospel and brought nothing new except your fake messengership was....nothing, right?

                    I can do the same thing as you, in reference to any allegations you've had against me, I'll just give you some cool icons

                    Jedi (self-explanatory) jedi

                    Peace man (looks like pac-man but way more peaceful) peace

                    Afro-man (not associated with the band) O0

                    And finally

                    Guy that quit just before graduation and now has to work at Mcdonald's giveup followed by his customer eat

                    Based upon the icons I've chosen, I've clearly won this debate.

                    hahaha laugh

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                      Who warned you to run from the coming judgment? Do you believe that I can make you well? If people call the head of the family Satan, what will they say about the rest of the family? Why do you disobey God and follow your own teachings? What do you say about the Son of Man? Who do you say I am? What do you want me to do for you? Dont you know that the Scriptures say " Children and infants will sing praises?" Why are you trying to test me? Who are wise and faithful servants? Who are the ones the Master will put in charge of giving the other servants their food supply at the proper times? Servants are fortunate if their Master comes and finds them doing their job.How can anyone break into a strong mans house and steal his things, unless he first ties up the strong man?

                      The Scriptures say" No one can live only on food. People need every word that God has spoken." I did not come to invite good people to be my followers. I came to invite sinners. John the Baptise didnt go around eating and drinking and you said " That man has a demon in him!" You did not discover this on your own. Elijah has already come. But the people didnt recognize him and treated him as they wanted to. The people of Noah didnt know anything was happing untill the flood came and swept them away; while they were eating,drinking,and working. People can kill you, but they caint harm your soul. You see the speck in your friends eye but dont notice the log in your own eye. You dont know what the Scriptures teach. And you dont know anything about the power of God. And not everyone who calls me their lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only those who obey my Lord in heaven will get in. When Jesus taught, he taught the crowds like someone with authority and not like their teachers of the Law of Moses. Disiples are not better than their teacher. And slaves are not better than their master. I came to bring trouble, not peace. Satan you are in my way because you think like everyone else and not like God.

                      Not one of you knows what you are asking.

                      Anyone who hears these teachings of mine and dont obey them is like a foolish person who built a house on the sand. And God doesnt want any of these little ones to be lost.You want as sign because you are evil and wont believe. The sky and the earth wont last forever, but my words will.I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and God in heaven will allow whatever you allow on earth. But he will not allow anything that you dont allow.Homeowners never know when a thif is coming, and they are always on gaurd to keep one from breaking in.

                      An ax is ready to cut the trees down to their roots. A lamp is placed on a lampstand, where it can give light to everyone in the house. Wisdom is shown to be right by what it does.

                      Turn back to God! Make your light shine, so that others will see the good that you do and will praise your Lord in heaven. More than anything else, put Gods work first and do what He wants you to do. Then the other things will be yours as well. And first take the log out your eye first. Then you can see how to take the speck out your friends eye. Go in threw the narrow gate. And watch out for false prophets! Heal the sick, raise the dead to life, heal people wit leprosy, and force out demons. Be on your gaurd. Always be ready! And satay awake and pray that you wont be tested.

                      You must obey Gods commands better than the Pharisees and the teachers of the Law obey them. If you dont, I promise you that you will never get into the kingdom of heaven.

                      If you are not on my side, you are against me.

                      God will bless you when people insult you, mistret you, and tell all kinds of evil lies about you because of me. Be happy and exited! You will have a great reward in heaven. People did these same things to the prophets who lived long ago. God will bless everyone who doesnt reject me because of what I do. And it will be terrible for those who cause even one of my little followers to sin.

                      When I force out deomns by the power of Gods spirit, it proves that Gods kingdom has already come to you.

                      sun

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                        nsws1988
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                        You force out demons?

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                          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                          Anthony, are you saying that if we dont obey you, then we are doomed for hell? rotfl

                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                            Meteora
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                            Probably. I just can't help but laugh each and every time he makes a post few people probably read. I'm still waiting for proofs of his "messengership" but all he's succeeded in accomplishing is posting this after being asked ignore

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                              MUNZIR_ALI
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                              Probably. I just can't help but laugh each and every time he makes a post few people probably read. I'm still waiting for proofs of his "messengership" but all he's succeeded in accomplishing is posting this after being asked ignore

                              yes bravo

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                                anthonywallace
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                                whatever

                                Isnt enuff for you that you are trying God?

                                Not one of you knows what you are asking. And you didnt dicover any of this on your own.

                                Gods message and the people who hear the message

                                There are 4 tyes of listeners.

                                1. People who hear the message and accept it. But the devil comes and snatches the message out of their hearts, so that they will not believe and be saved.

                                2. People who hear the message and accept it. But they dont have deep roots, and they belive only for alittle while. As soon as life gets hard, they give up.

                                3. People who hear the message. But they are so eager for riches and pleasure that they never produce anything.

                                4. People who listen to the message and keep it in good and honest hearts. They last and produce a harvest.

                                peace

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                                  Meteora
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                                  You've given proof of your gangsta-ship but you've yet to bring any evidence of messengership to the table. laugh If you're truly a follower of the Quran then you'd know that in order for someone to be a messenger, he has to have proofs with him. Ahmad asked you several times for this and all you could do was post the following ignore <- that shows you're to be regarded as no more than a joke, not just in general but on the forum as well.

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                                    anthonywallace
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                                    You've given proof of your gangsta-ship but you've yet to bring any evidence of messengership to the table. laugh If you're truly a follower of the Quran then you'd know that in order for someone to be a messenger, he has to have proofs with him. Ahmad asked you several times for this and all you could do was post the following ignore <- that shows you're to be regarded as no more than a joke, not just in general but on the forum as well.

                                    You did not discover any of this on your own.

                                    a) The Formal prayers may be observed alone or in congregation led by a leader.The formal prayers consist of units. There are 1 and 2 unit prayers in the absolute proof catagory of the Prayers. Each unit consist of the following essential component parts

                                    1 After making intention for the prayers to say " All praise be to God who did not take a son, nor does He have a partner in soverinty, nor does He have ally out of weakness."
                                    2 To pray to your Lord. Example To say" My Lord, forgive and have mercy, and You are the Most Merciful."
                                    3 The posture of prostartion.

                                    b) There are parts of the prayers which are absolute proof. If any of these parts are not fullfiled, your salat is rendered null or void and thus must be repeated. All other parts of the prayers, besides the absolute proof constituents are factors which are observed by the messenger or leader.

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                                      Meteora
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                                      Nice proofs.

                                      -M

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                                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                                        I'd like to declare that I too am a messenger. I found out after I woke up at 19 minutes and 19 seconds past 1900 hours. I was taken to Heaven where all the messengers met me, took a good look at my face and nodded their approval. We partied for 19 minutes after that. MSN messenger and Yahoo messenger were there too. Wish you guys could've joined us. Oh wait, you couldn't have, it was "messengers only".

                                        rotfl

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                                          Meteora
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                                          I'd like to declare that I too am a messenger. I found out after I woke up at 19 minutes and 19 seconds past 1900 hours. I was taken to Heaven where all the messengers met me, took a good look at my face and nodded their approval. We partied for 19 minutes after that. MSN messenger and Yahoo messenger were there too. Wish you guys could've joined us. Oh wait, you couldn't have, it was "messengers only".

                                          nice laugh

                                          i lol'd at the instant messenger part the most.

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