Well Here Goes...
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I should probably list the ones I'm 100% will and cannot be questioned, but I'd like to see refutations to the others I've listed in the above post.
Quran is the 19th and final scripture
The last and first revelations are both 19 words
Bismillalrahmanalraheem is 19 letters
ISM occurs in the entire text of the Quran 19 times 19=19*1
The second word in the "Basmallah" is ALLaH, it occurs in the entire text of the Quran 2698 times 2698=19*142
The third word AL-RaHMaN occurs 57 times 57=19*3
The fourth word AL-RaHYM occurs 114 times 114=19*6
Number 19 is the numerical value of the word "ONE" in all the scriptural languages, Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic. The number 19, therefore proclaims the First commandment in all the scriptures that there is only ONE GOD.
The Quran mention 30 different whole numbers throughout, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 1 1, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100 ,200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50,000, & 100,000. The sum of these numbers is 162146 = 19X8534
The Quran's dominant message is that there is only "ONE GOD". The word 'One", in Arabic "Wahid" in reference to God occurs 19 times throughout the Quran.
The numbers of all the Suras of the Qu?ran preceded by their revelation order next to each other becomes a huge 19 multiple
I'll except that using the number to change/alter the Quran may be uncalled for. It may be supported by God, it may not. I have only opinion when it comes to this, but if someone feels like giving his usual response to the above facts, "nothing more that a coincidence" so be it. I'll do my part and try not to laugh.
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I also find the intial structure thing really amazing.
Ayman, can you refute Appendix 1?http//quranix.net/#?RTQ=1&TMG=1&MA=1&RK=1&SH=1&TE=1&A=1&L=en&NA=10&S=1&SA=1&NQ=A01&NQA=RK
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ISM occurs in the entire text of the Quran 19 times 19=19*1
The second word in the "Basmallah" is ALLaH, it occurs in the entire text of the Quran 2698 times 2698=19*142
The third word AL-RaHMaN occurs 57 times 57=19*3
The fourth word AL-RaHYM occurs 114 times 114=19*6
Forgot to add that 142+3+1+6 is 19x8, among all other coincidences.
19ers and anti-19ers fight over the meaning of 7431, and to me it's somewhat funny. I don't really think God is throwing people in hell because they doubted the validity of 9128+129, but I do think he used the number to make people of various religions accept the true Islam. Why 19 rejectors insist on believing God is a vicious tyrant as depicted in the former statement, and not a merciful blesser in the latter statement I don't fathom.
I say, who cares about 128+129? They are about Muhammad. Do we really care about Muhammad as we care about God? What has he done for us (which makes you wonder why the sunnis think they should love a 1400 year old dead man more than their mothers and fathers laugh? And what difference would it make if you didn't include 128+129 in your life? It's not a commandment, and it's not something we DON'T already no. No shit, a prophet has come to us. It makes no difference, and 129 is just a reflection of what sunnis today will tell you. They say even today that the Quranites say "God (or Quran) is enough for us!" which is what 129 says. In fact, 9129 is the only verse in the ENTIRE Quran, in it's non-twisted translation, that upholds the alleged hadith of Muhammad (or all of Muhammad's true sayings as a human being for that matter). I wonder why the hadithists have yet to use that one laugh. Like the other things mentioned, I doubt this is a coincidence either.
The fact is no one will know 100% if they are from God or not. We're not supposed to talk about that which we have no knowledge. That is why we say "allahu a'lem" (God knows best) and it is important that we argue what we say as opinions and not facts (what I've said about 128+129 not being from God were my opinions, and this applies to all other arguments from others regarding 128+129), but to deny that 19 is a miracle (in other words, not a coincidence) is the choice of someone. We're not going to enforce it. You can't get a disbeliever to believe without God's leave.
Other facts about 19
It encompasses the first numeral (1) and the last numeral (9), as if to proclaim God's attribute in 573 as the "Alpha and the Omega".
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In fact, 9129 is the only verse in the ENTIRE Quran, in it's non-twisted translation, that upholds the alleged hadith of Muhammad (or all of Muhammad's true sayings as a human being for that matter).
I don't understand what 9128 and 9129 mean and what 9129 has to do with the hadeeths. Help please?
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128 is basically giving the prophet the highest status you'll find in the Quran, from my understanding of the book.
Might I mention 128+129 do not belong at all where they are? The context is very misplaced. Right before it in 127, it's showing people asking each other "does anyone see you?" like they're about to do something wrong. Why on earth right after this, does it talk about a gentle prophet being sent to mankind and being "merciful"? As if that attribute was never given exclusively to ONE entity besides God. Yes, God did call the believers merciful to each other. That is because people can be merciful. However some people do not get the point which is that God does not mention one person exclusively as being "raheem", or "rahman" or god-like for that matter. That is why "bismillahal-rahman-al-raheem" is so unique in that those specific words and their spellings will be given to NO ONE but God. God talks about "rahma" (mercy) and how people can display it in their daily lives, but as far as I'm concerned he isn't calling anyone "raheem" any time soon, and that's my take on this.
129 says If they turn away (they being the "bad" people) they say God is enough for us! On him do we rely etc. etc." showing that people have to take God and the messenger as gaurdians and not only God. This is my understanding of the verse.
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129 says If they turn away (they being the "bad" people) they say God is enough for us! On him do we rely etc. etc." showing that people have to take God and the messenger as gaurdians and not only God. This is my understanding of the verse.
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I am sure it is 'then say' not 'they say'. It is 'fa qul'. So here God is giving an order
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I am sure it is 'then say' not 'they say'. It is 'fa qul'. So here God is giving an order
There has certainly come to you a Messenger from among yourselves. Grievous to him is what you suffer; concerned over you and to the believers is kind and merciful. But if they turn away, , say, ?Sufficient for me is Allaah; there is no deity except Him. On Him I have relied, and He is the Lord of the Great Throne.?}
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Hi there... the Arabs of those days probably were drinking soup of ethanol.
Anwar Azim
Well I went into that topic making an @$$ of myself...
You see? How miracles from the Quran bring you closer to it and away from statements that contradict it...but there is one saying I think is miraculous, and that is the one about dipping the fly in the soup...a recent research showed that drowning flies in ethanol, extracts antibiotic material (the substance which would be used to cure the poisoned part of the fly).
Which still goes with my current belief, which is that some hadiths are possibly right (^that being the closest to me so far) and some that are outright wrong and sexist.
The thing about the statement is this. I can't say I know Muhammad pbuh said it, but I know someone back then must have had this knowledge. Whether or not it's a revelation from Allah to our Prophet, I don't know, but I can put it into my stack of acceptable hadiths. I'm 95% convinced this is a true saying from our prophet.
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Hi there... the Arabs of those days probably were drinking soup of ethanol.
Anwar Azim
rotfl
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Well, I've read a post back in 04 that the hadith is wrong since it made the generalization that "one wing had the disease and the other had the cure" which is false by all means...
And that was some random quoting yfn123 hmm
Anyway..I posted this earlier in the thread.
It encompasses the first numeral (1) and the last numeral (9), as if to proclaim God's attribute in 573 as the "Alpha and the Omega".
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