Is the Quran an eloquent hoax?
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Sister and brother do not necessarily mean blood relation. They can also mean people/things of similar behaviour or belief. Examples
1727Lo! the squanderers were ever brothers of the devils, and the devil was ever an ingrate to his Lord.
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The believers are naught else than brothers. Therefore make peace between your brethren and observe your duty to Allah that haply ye may obtain mercy.
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And every token that We showed them was greater than its sister (token), and We grasped them with the torment, that haply they might turn again.
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He saith Enter into the Fire among nations of the jinn and humankind who passed away before you. Every time a nation entereth, it curseth its sister (nation) till, when they have all been made to follow one another thither, the last of them saith unto the first of them Our Lord! These led us astray, so give them double torment of the Fire. He saith For each one there is double (torment), but ye know not.
Moreover, the qur'aan mentioned the "aal 3imraan" extensively as well as the story of Moses, but it never mentioned the family of Moses. It mentioned his mother but not his father.
To understand the meaning of "sister of Aaron" we have to find what Aaron did that merited the approval of these people. Remember the story of the calf when Aaron did not stop them for fear of "loss of unity"? This is what they expected Mary to continue doing. She refused to marry according to the costums or traditions, but then she did, and they were blaming her and reminding her that she was expected to preserve the customs (sign of unity) just like "her brother" Aaron.
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Very anemic argument. Look at the following verse
"That your sister should follow, and Say "Shall I guide you to a person who will nurse him" Thus We returned you to your mother, so that she may be pleased and not be sad. And you killed a person, but We saved you from harm and We tested you greatly. So it was that you stayed with the people of Median for many years, then you came here by fate O Moses."
When it is a one to one relation, it is literal. What do you think of this sister above, is she his sister or someone with a similar status?
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Very anemic argument. Look at the following verse
"That your sister should follow, and Say "Shall I guide you to a person who will nurse him" Thus We returned you to your mother, so that she may be pleased and not be sad. And you killed a person, but We saved you from harm and We tested you greatly. So it was that you stayed with the people of Median for many years, then you came here by fate O Moses."
When it is a one to one relation, it is literal. What do you think of this sister above, is she his sister or someone with a similar status?
Very anemic comprehension
Sister and brother do not necessarily mean blood relation.
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If I didn't believe in the Quran, I wouldn't have had any trouble. elektro
1928 ?O sister of Aaron, your father was not a bad man, and your mother was never unchaste!?
Exd 1520 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
This means Jesus lived at the time of the Moses so Jesus is Joshua son of Nun the deliverer of Israel.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqh8B3rIJo8
In the Quran, Mary's story begins while she is still in her mother's womb. The mother of Mary, said "O my Lord! I do dedicate into Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service So accept this of me For Thou hearest and knowest all things." (Quran 335).
337 So her Lord (All?h) accepted her with goodly acceptance. He made her grow in a good manner and put her under the care of Zakariy? (Zachariya). Every time he entered Al-Mihr?b to (visit) her , he found her supplied with sustenance. He said "O Maryam (Mary)! From where have you got this?" She said, "This is from All?h." Verily, All?h provides sustenance to whom He wills, without limit
Although his wife was barren and he was very old, God blesses Zacharias and his wife Elizabeth with John. John is known as "John the Baptist" in the Bible. Zacharias was skeptical after the angels announced John's birth. The response to his skepticism was "Doth God accomplish what He willeth" (Quran 340). John would become a noble and chaste Prophet as the angels had stated (Quran 339).
339 Then the angels called him, while he was standing in prayer in Al-Mihr?b (a praying place or a private room), (saying) "All?h gives you glad tidings of Yahya (John), confirming (believing in) the Word from All?h , noble, keeping away from sexual relations with women, a Prophet, from among the righteous
340 He said "O my Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old, and my wife is barren?" All?h said "Thus All?h does what He wills."
(Quran 1916-17). After seeing the angel, she said "I seek refuge from thee to (God) Most Gracious (come not near) if thou dost fear God." (Quran 191. The angel Gabriel responded "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a pure son." (Quran 1919). Her next response is expected. She asked "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" (Quran 1920). The Angel said "So (it will be) thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for Me and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us.' It is a matter (so) decreed." (Quran 1921). Mary then becomes pregnant.
peace
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And why are you so conservative about it, you don't acknowledge the biblical narrative anyway. So maybe the Quranic Mary had a brother named Aaron and the family of Amram has nothing to do with Moses.
I meant your comprehension vis-a-vis my post, not the story of Mary.
You suggested that Aaron was the brother of Moses and so Mary was their sister, just because they called her "sister of Aaron"? My respons was based on this claim. Where's the conservatism? -
I meant your comprehension vis-a-vis my post, not the story of Mary.
You suggested that Aaron was the brother of Moses and so Mary was their sister, just because they called her "sister of Aaron"? My respons was based on this claim. Where's the conservatism?Find me one human singlular relationship status that isn't literal.
I am just stating the obvious.
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Find me one human singlular relationship status that isn't literal.
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When their brother Noah said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?
26124When their brother Hud said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?
4912O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful.
When their brother Lot said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)? -
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When their brother Noah said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?
26124When their brother Hud said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?
4912O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful.
When their brother Lot said unto them Will ye not ward off (evil)?OK. Fair enough. We will let it pass for now. peace
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I believe this is just a cheap trick. Write something (or inherit whatever was written by supposedly inspired holy men) and claim it is divine. Then say exactly (or similar to, depending on the "god" you believe) what is written in Zohar.
Voila! Sincere believers will never doubt this and they will just propagate this generations after generations.
Anwar Azim
A Torah scroll in which a single letter is missing or extra is invalid (Maimonides, Laws of a Torah Scroll,). In the Zohar it is written (part two, Mishpatim), "The whole Torah is the name of the holy One, blessed be He? -- and if one removes a single letter from it, it is as though he had damaged His name, may it be praised;" this is also brought in the introduction to the Minchat Shai, see there.
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We still have our humanity and reasoning/thinking power. Let's not forget about that. Let's put them to good use. )
Anwar Azim
bravo
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We still have our humanity and reasoning/thinking power. Let's not forget about that. Let's put them to good use. )
Anwar Azim
Very much so, and it isn't like God only provides guidance a few times in history and then stops. God is always providing guidance to all human beings who will listen through their experiences.
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Very much so, and it isn't like God only provides guidance a few times in history and then stops. God is always providing guidance to all human beings who will listen through their experiences.
Thats the POV of Athena not Jerusalem.
That is reason and not revelation.
Did you know why Europe is advanced?
Because it simulate ancient Greece NOT Christianity.
Christianity brought about the dark ages.
Hail science!
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Hail science!
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20 minutes laters, many worshippers worshipped the God of Reason in the temple of Rationale in Athena.
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Hail Science indeed!
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Thats the POV of Athena not Jerusalem.
That is reason and not revelation.
Did you know why Europe is advanced?
Because it simulate ancient Greece NOT Christianity.
Christianity brought about the dark ages.
Hail science!
I disagree, the pagan gods did not have the qualities we ascribe to the one God. Revelation is very much something continuous in the monotheistic tradition. That's why Islam categories Jesus and Muhammad as prophets and messengers of God, to show the continuity of God's grace for human beings.
Plus God's "Revelation" is not something related to 'scientific method'. And 'Scientific Method' is ABSOLUTELY NOT Greek/Helenistic. The Greeks may have been good at maths, but 'scientific method' as we today understand it emerged from the medieval arab world, particularly with the experimental methods of Ibn al-Haytham. The Greeks did not follow any process of experimentation designed to be replicable and peer reviewed.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Introduction_to_scientific_method
The whole story of painting the Greeks and Romans as 'scientific' and 'logical' is pure hype and fantasy. It is mostly a falsehood created by the Roman Catholic Church after the roman empire collapsed, to paint themselves as perpetuating civilization rather than just being a group of weirdos encouraging sexual repression. Scientific method started with Arab Muslims and was brought to fruition by North European Protestants. The Greeks, and Romans and Pagans never had anything to do with it.
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I agree about the scientific method but the Israelites were a bunch of retards in comparison to the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Romans etc. This is because the latter started to work hard and separated fact from myths and ignored the mystics. But the hebrews and their lazy followers are waiting for the Messiah to clear things up for them.
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That was probably an effort to forget about the Arab/Muslim contribution. What if those Arabs/Muslims did not preserve Greek/Roman science, math and philosophy? We would never have gone beyond witch-hunting and burning of the infidels of the superstitious medieval ages, as well ancient ones including Greek/Roman superstitions. Not that superstition has been wiped out from the world, and it probably will never be, unless all people become enlightened about Nature.
Anwar Azim
The whole story of painting the Greeks and Romans as 'scientific' and 'logical' is pure hype and fantasy. It is mostly a falsehood created by the Roman Catholic Church after the roman empire collapsed, to paint themselves as perpetuating civilization rather than just being a group of weirdos encouraging sexual repression. Scientific method started with Arab Muslims and was brought to fruition by North European Protestants. The Greeks, and Romans and Pagans never had anything to do with it.