Monotheists
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Then we are agreed... 262 and 3122. I can hold to that, yet let you use Qur'an and I will just do righteous deeds, worship God and await the last day...while being a Buddhist.
which is what I was saying before you warned me about what I took to mean, possible hellfire, for setting aside Qur'an.. lol.
A few years ago, I remember speaking with a Rabbi about the notion of Noahides (non Jews who believe in basically the commandments and monotheism) will have their share in the world to come. I thought this was nice. He also said, the righteous of all nations have a share in the world to come. Also nice.
Yet, he then said basically it was through the jewish God and the Torah's understanding of righteousness. So, it made me question.. you are saying the righteous person, would have to be praying to HaShem (the name - a respectful term for God in judaism.) and not to just say a monotheistic God their tribe has believed in for years. He was giving me double talk "All righteous people on this earth get to heaven... if you get your understanding from our Torah of what righteousness is."
It seemed you were saying the same thing. "All people can get to heaven if they are monotheists, righteous deeds and believe in the last day.......and read the Qur'an and follow it above any other."
Peace,
There is only one God - whether you call him "Allah", "God", "Yahweh", "Dieu", "Gott", "El", "Dios", etc. so I dont get your "God of a certain tribe" thing.
I wish you the best of luck for your future.
Remember There is only one system/religion taught by God's messenger Submission to God alone. Anyone who submits to God alone is a Submitter. So I guess you'll be a Buddhist Muslim/Buddhist Submitter then laugh
Also remember
4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Knowledgeable, Ever-aware.
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2177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who acknowledges God and the Last day, and the angels, and the book, and the prophets, and he gives money out of love to the near relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and he observes the Contact prayer, and contributes towards betterment; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and during persecution. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous.
I wish you the best of luck for your future. May God guide you, bless you and may you remain righteous.
Peace peace
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Wallahi lol... I have created a new path... Budhislam (ha ha.. Buddhism/Islam)
Buddhist Muslims.. I like it.
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What branch of Buddhism are the guys following?
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progressive,
It can be a misnomer actually. Like last century they called muslims Mohammadans.
There is respect for the teachings of Buddha, but its more a return to what was taught and not the teacher. As I recall its, a bit tongue in cheek, as Dhammapadans (those on the path of righteousness.)
It uses the Dhammapada as the sole text for instruction on the path and couples this with the religious aspect to one God above all else as the sole source of devotion.
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You don't need any books to be a muslim. Abraham didn't have squat to read. I can see the Quran is an object of worship for some people here.
"without going out of your door, you can know the ways of the world. without peeping through your window, you can see the way of heaven"
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I am young..next year I shall be 30. Yet, I have been a student of religion for a time yet. The longer I live, with God's blessing to do so, the more I see that the religions that are authentic and carry weight deal with the same things. Family, Honor, Respect and Reverence for God above Man and the world.
If any man or woman can keep their virtue, honor and make the world a better place than when they found it.. I see no reason why God would deny them.. or the God they gave service to was not worth serving and can just leave a good name for their children to carry on.
It should not be about avoiding hell or seeking heaven. It should be about how we deal with our fellow man and doing our best to see that the earth is watched over.
There was an old quote in america, now seemingly forgotten, from some ten years before 1900.. "To leave a name of a man who never bullied another, or stood down against the same when a defenseless person was being harassed."
Strength and Honor Brothers and Sisters...
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Peace,
I don't think Buddhism is the best path to follow in light of the Qur'aan (if you believe in it's revelation). The scriptures state that the Jews, the Nazarenes (who've also been interpreted to refer to certain sects of Christianity), and the "SAABIOON" who lead righteous lives, believe in God, and acknowledge the last day; it doesn't say anything about the followers of other, outside religions. It specifically mentions the Abrahamic religions. The word "saabii" implies the changing of a person's religion, and by referring to the "saabioon", it's specifically referring to the converts, those who abandoned their former religions and chose to follow Muhammad...
Salvation is dependent on more than just simply being a monotheist. If this was the case, there'd be no need for the Torah, the Enjeel, or the Qur'aan... According to the Qur'aan, salvation is dependent on adhering to the "millat Ibraheem"/religion of Abraham, which is outlined in all of the revealed scriptures.
Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the hereafter he will be among the righteous. (2130)
The "minimum" in submission is NOT being simply a monotheist, since the Qur'aan says
Say, "We believe in God, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters." If they believe as you do, then they are guided; but if they turn away, then they are in opposition. God will spare you their opposition. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. (2136, 137)
The "minimum" necessity is to serve God alone and follow the guidance given in His scriptures, whether you profess to be a Jew, a Nazarene, or an Islaamic convert. Being a monotheist alone is NOT ENOUGH. Following the guidance is a requirement; those who don't do so are in "opposition" to God.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace,
I don't think Buddhism is the best path to follow in light of the Qur'aan (if you believe in it's revelation). The scriptures state that the Jews, the Nazarenes (who've also been interpreted to refer to certain sects of Christianity), and the "SAABIOON" who lead righteous lives, believe in God, and acknowledge the last day; it doesn't say anything about the followers of other, outside religions. It specifically mentions the Abrahamic religions. The word "saabii" implies the changing of a person's religion, and by referring to the "saabioon", it's specifically referring to the converts, those who abandoned their former religions and chose to follow Muhammad...
Salvation is dependent on more than just simply being a monotheist. If this was the case, there'd be no need for the Torah, the Enjeel, or the Qur'aan... According to the Qur'aan, salvation is dependent on adhering to the "millat Ibraheem"/religion of Abraham, which is outlined in all of the revealed scriptures.
Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the hereafter he will be among the righteous. (2130)
The "minimum" in submission is NOT being simply a monotheist, since the Qur'aan says
Say, "We believe in God, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters." If they believe as you do, then they are guided; but if they turn away, then they are in opposition. God will spare you their opposition. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. (2136, 137)
The "minimum" necessity is to serve God alone and follow the guidance given in His scriptures, whether you profess to be a Jew, a Nazarene, or an Islaamic convert. Being a monotheist alone is NOT ENOUGH. Following the guidance is a requirement; those who don't do so are in "opposition" to God.
Peace,
Ahmad
sun bravo
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Peace,
I don't think Buddhism is the best path to follow in light of the Qur'aan (if you believe in it's revelation). The scriptures state that the Jews, the Nazarenes (who've also been interpreted to refer to certain sects of Christianity), and the "SAABIOON" who lead righteous lives, believe in God, and acknowledge the last day; it doesn't say anything about the followers of other, outside religions. It specifically mentions the Abrahamic religions. The word "saabii" implies the changing of a person's religion, and by referring to the "saabioon", it's specifically referring to the converts, those who abandoned their former religions and chose to follow Muhammad...
Salvation is dependent on more than just simply being a monotheist. If this was the case, there'd be no need for the Torah, the Enjeel, or the Qur'aan... According to the Qur'aan, salvation is dependent on adhering to the "millat Ibraheem"/religion of Abraham, which is outlined in all of the revealed scriptures.
Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the hereafter he will be among the righteous. (2130)
The "minimum" in submission is NOT being simply a monotheist, since the Qur'aan says
Say, "We believe in God, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters." If they believe as you do, then they are guided; but if they turn away, then they are in opposition. God will spare you their opposition. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. (2136, 137)
The "minimum" necessity is to serve God alone and follow the guidance given in His scriptures, whether you profess to be a Jew, a Nazarene, or an Islaamic convert. Being a monotheist alone is NOT ENOUGH. Following the guidance is a requirement; those who don't do so are in "opposition" to God.
Peace,
Ahmad
bravo bravo bravo bravo
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According to the Qur'aan, salvation is dependent on adhering to the "millat Ibraheem"/religion of Abraham, which is outlined in all of the revealed scriptures.
That's right. And what is the name of the book Abraham was reading?
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That's right. And what is the name of the book Abraham was reading?
The Qur'aan mentions a book being sent down to Abraham (8719)... But this is beside the point. Abraham was already a follower of the Noahide Laws, which were established before Abraham's birth and were upheld until the Torah was revealed. The factors of this system that weren't revealed with Noah (i.e. al salaat, al zakaat, al siyyaam, etc.) were revealed to Abraham from God, which is also said specifically in the Qur'aan...
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The Qur'aan mentions a book being sent down to Abraham (8719)... But this is beside the point. Abraham was already a follower of the Noahide Laws, which were established before Abraham's birth and were upheld until the Torah was revealed. The factors of this system that weren't revealed with Noah (i.e. al salaat, al zakaat, al siyyaam, etc.) were revealed to Abraham from God, which is also said specifically in the Qur'aan...
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Why is the "scripture" not named while the others are? I.e. injeel, tarwat...
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Abraham was first an idol worshipper like those around him. If "Noahide laws" were upheld, what were the idols that he broke?
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Some "factors" not being revealed to Noah? I thought God's system would be consistent. Are there still some factors I should be waiting for incase the Qur'an isn't complete.
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16120 Abraham was virtue personified, devoted in his commitment to God, turning away from all that is false. He upheld strict Monotheism and never indulged in idolatry of any kind.
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Again.. we find out that free-minds are not so free.
If I recall the verse was "any one who ..." not just those who are of the Abrahamic faith. Do you wish to nit pick the verse now?
Muhsin Khan Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Yusuf Ali Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Pickthal Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
Pay close attention to the words in the ** if you would please.
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16120 Abraham was virtue personified, devoted in his commitment to God, turning away from all that is false. He upheld strict Monotheism and never indulged in idolatry of any kind.
From the translation available on the front page.
675 And it is such that We showed Abraham the kingdom of the
heavens and the earth, so that he will be of those who have
certainty.676 When the night covered him, he saw a planet, and he said ?This
is my Lord.? But when it disappeared he said ?I do not like those
who disappear.?677 So when he saw the moon rising, he said ?This is my Lord.? But
when it disappeared he said ?If my Lord does not guide me, then
I will be among the wicked people!?678 So when he saw the sun rising, he said ?This is my Lord, this
is bigger.? But when it disappeared he said ?My people, I am
innocent of what you have set up.?679 ?I shall turn my face to the One who initiated the heavens and the
earth, in monotheism, and I am not of the polytheists.?That's three instances of idol worship before the realization.
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From the translation available on the front page.
675 And it is such that We showed Abraham the kingdom of the
heavens and the earth, so that he will be of those who have
certainty.676 When the night covered him, he saw a planet, and he said This
is my Lord. But when it disappeared he said I do not like those
who disappear.677 So when he saw the moon rising, he said This is my Lord. But
when it disappeared he said If my Lord does not guide me, then
I will be among the wicked people!678 So when he saw the sun rising, he said This is my Lord, this
is bigger. But when it disappeared he said My people, I am
innocent of what you have set up.679 I shall turn my face to the One who initiated the heavens and the
earth, in monotheism, and I am not of the polytheists.That's three instances of idol worship before the realization.
Abraham never set up partners with God. Maybe he has mistaken these things as God, however, the Quran clearly says that Abraham wasnt an idolater.
680 His people argued with him. He said, "Do you argue with me regarding God, when He has guided me? I do not fear what you have set up except if my Lord wishes it so; my Lord encompasses all things with knowledge; will you not remember?"
681 "How can I possibly fear what you have set up; yet you do not fear that you have set up partners with God, for which He has not sent down to you any authority! So which of our two groups is more worthy of security if you know?"
682 Those who acknowledge and do not dress their acknowledgement with inequity; they will have security, and they are guided.
683 This is the logic (examples of the star, the moon and the sun) that We taught Abraham (Ibrahim) against his people. We exalt people in ranks when they follow Our laws. Your Lord is Wise, All Knower.
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Abraham never set up partners with God. Maybe he has mistaken these things as God
What's the difference?
Once upon a time, I mistook my parents for God. What was that?
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What's the difference?
Once upon a time, I mistook my parents for God. What was that?
Read the verses that follow which I have put in the edited version of my last post.