Belongings of Prophet Muhammad and Tombs of Prophet
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Wow..cool..the prophet's belongings huh? Can't say I was happy when I read "his sword" laugh but I'm sure he used that right anyway...
So I was wondering...if Muhammad's tomb is really in Madina...did people try to see/dig up his bones? I would think no but, I was just wondering...ya know...would be cool to see his skeletal structure and all...
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Wow..cool..the prophet's belongings huh? Can't say I was happy when I read "his sword" laugh but I'm sure he used that right anyway...
So I was wondering...if Muhammad's tomb is really in Madina...did people try to see/dig up his bones? I would think no but, I was just wondering...ya know...would be cool to see his skeletal structure and all...
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This is blasphamy dud police
Any reason any proof that the tomb in Madina is not his can you show me any other tomb of Mohammad hmm
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But I didn't think he was stating it wasn't, he was just asking if they are sure.
It is same if you are attcking the whole muslim umma and that to without proof.
- This is a very deep intrusion, as the religious person is the deepest, the most basic in any individual. When that person is disturbed, a hurt is sustained which is very deep. The religious person is violated. The depth of this hurt is attested by the fact that when a religious sentiment is violated, it can produce a martyr
Let it will turn all other Muslims against us which is not a wise thing. &
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So I was wondering...if Muhammad's tomb is really in Madina...did people try to see/dig up his bones? I would think no but, I was just wondering...ya know...would be cool to see his skeletal structure and all...
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If his skeleton was there, would people make it a relic or something? Question is rhetorical btw!
peace
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It is same if you are attcking the whole muslim umma and that to without proof.
- This is a very deep intrusion, as the religious person is the deepest, the most basic in any individual. When that person is disturbed, a hurt is sustained which is very deep. The religious person is violated. The depth of this hurt is attested by the fact that when a religious sentiment is violated, it can produce a martyr
Let it will turn all other Muslims against us which is not a wise thing. &
But surely, those are the same people that say not believing in hadiths is blasphemy and we know that is not true.
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But surely, those are the same people that say not believing in hadiths is blasphemy and we know that is not true.
That is ok if you don?t believe in hadiths but you must respect God messengers, in this case you are directly invoking God anger. And Muhammad and all other messengers were messengers of god and we all respect them.
So be fearful of God & pr
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That is ok if you don?t believe in hadiths but you must respect God messengers, in this case you are directly invoking God anger. And Muhammad and all other messengers were messengers of god and we all respect them.
So be fearful of God & pr
I do not wish to cause offence but When I told a Catholic Priest that Mary was not the mother of God because God does not have a mother and that the Pope should never be called "Holy Father" because there is only one Holy Father (God) He told me that what I was saying was blasphemy. This sounds the same to me. peace
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This is blasphamy dud police
Any reason any proof that the tomb in Madina is not his can you show me any other tomb of Mohammad hmm
But I never even questioned that part...the question was, DID people see his skeleton? That was it.
It is same if you are attcking the whole muslim umma and that to without proof.
- This is a very deep intrusion, as the religious person is the deepest, the most basic in any individual. When that person is disturbed, a hurt is sustained which is very deep. The religious person is violated. The depth of this hurt is attested by the fact that when a religious sentiment is violated, it can produce a martyr
Let it will turn all other Muslims against us which is not a wise thing. &
LOOOOOOOOOOOL. "Religious" people today are deluded because
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They do next to no research which is why they grow up to be religious dumbasses.
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They've simply adopted their father's or their peer's religious teachings. An example is Yusuf Estes, who decided to convert to Islam from Christianity, threw himself at the Islamic crowd and was sucked in by the vacuum of Islam as we know it today. He thinks, talks and behaves like top muslims, so he's become a fool like them.
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In the case of muslims, don't care if something in the hadith contradicts the Quran. They'll just use whatever brain cells they have left to twist the relevant Quranic verses to make them not oppose the hadith, but in the eyes of any intelligent person they fail miserably and embarrass themselves in the end.
If his skeleton was there, would people make it a relic or something? Question is rhetorical btw!
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And I'll answer it with a "hell yes", because they love him more than humanity. No seriously, in Hislam you are taught to love Muhammad more than your own mother. rotfl
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Salaamun Alaykum
I know you guys will find this story funny... While I was having a discussion with salafis, to prove me of hadith being written at the time of the prophet, they told me that there was a hadith being written on the HILT of the sword of the Prophet Muhammad... Now after further questioning, it turned out to be a piece of paper/fabric on which the hadith was written and it was inserted into the handle of the sword... Now while doing more investigation about the hadith which was found written on the sword... It turned out there are 2 hadiths who are fighting to take this place and the guys themselves are not sure which is the right one which was written on the sword... One of the hadith I remember was on Circumcision... Funny a hadith on circumcision stuck in the sword of the Messenger... Maybe he wrote it there because he was afraid that he might forget it... Maybe it was their way to do 'sticky notes'....
These are what I have found on this issue
Inscribed on the hilt of the Prophet's sword 'Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off; do good to him who does evil to you, and speak the truth although it be against yourself.'
and the one about circumcision
http//books.google.mu/books?id=Wp-HTq5MTIwC&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=hadith+sword+circumcision&source=bl&ots=x3EZnxlXsW&sig=JqYQDdsHTESLNg4tpqZUkpvDBco&hl=en&ei=FrtkSsv0DMaIkAWjhYn2Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1
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Salaamun Alaykum
I know you guys will find this story funny... While I was having a discussion with salafis, to prove me of hadith being written at the time of the prophet, they told me that there was a hadith being written on the HILT of the sword of the Prophet Muhammad... Now after further questioning, it turned out to be a piece of paper/fabric on which the hadith was written and it was inserted into the handle of the sword... Now while doing more investigation about the hadith which was found written on the sword... It turned out there are 2 hadiths who are fighting to take this place and the guys themselves are not sure which is the right one which was written on the sword... One of the hadith I remember was on Circumcision... Funny a hadith on circumcision stuck in the sword of the Messenger... Maybe he wrote it there because he was afraid that he might forget it... Maybe it was their way to do 'sticky notes'....
These are what I have found on this issue and the one about circumcision
Or maybe it was the sword that was used to carry out circumcision.
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Either way it's a bunch of @$$ and F@1L. So what if ONE or TWO out of 5,000,000 fabricated stories happen to be on an item we don't even know belongs to the prophet. Relying on such sources for religious guidance is stupid.
Also WayFinder, can you, or someone else prove once and for all that there is no shown evidence that all the hadith in the "6 authentic collections" were written at the time of the prophet? Because hadith supporters are very keen on saying "If you don't believe in hadith, might as well not take the Quran, because they come from the same source" <-- I could already explain how many things are wrong with that statement. For example a normal human being believes in what happen to be facts (H2O is water) yet he may believe in other things that he thinks are facts but aren't (moon is made of cheese) so, if you disbelieve in belief #2 you have to also declare belief #1 is wrong? It's the same thing here. Those "people" may believe in a correct source (Quran, correctly describing things like human development) and belief in a false one (Hadith, saying how the sun rises and sets on Satan's antlers, if he has any, and that a fever is caused by the heat of hell and it causes the difference of seasons) <--all of these are disproven unscientific bs that are ignored by them because they love their garbage too much.
Another fact that has to be regarded IS
"Had it came from other than God, they would have found in it numerous contraditions" <----- UNDENIABLE PROOF ALONE THAT THE ONLY VALID SOURCE IS A BOOK FROM GOD, OR THE QURAN. There are MANY verses where the Quran isolates itself from anything else. What other book/hadith do you believe in/study from is damn crystal clear. I guess sunnis are too stupid that God needs to reveal a verse to them saying "DO NOT BELIEVE THE HADITH OF BUKHARI/MUSLIM/ABU DAWOOD/TIRMHIDI/ETC. LEST YOU ENTER HELLFIRE, FOREVER!!!"
Unfortunately for the sunni's, "obey the messenger" CANNOT mean ANYTHING but obey the 272+ times he speaks to us in the Quran, directly.
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Salaamun Alaykum
Meteora... No matter what you say and how much you say it... some people will remain blind... It is not their eyes which are blind... But their heart...
You should check the Munkar-e-Hadith thread on sunniforum and see for yourself how they fail mirserably when they are exposed to Quran and how they do all kind of acrobatics to run away from it. They even challenge me on how can I believe on the Quran if I do not believe in hadith... when they come from the same source... What the hell do they know... how can they make such a claim... can they retrace back each and every verse in this Quran to the Prophet... Definitely NO!... So they better stop with their non-sense...
The heads of these people are filled with Hadiths and since there is no place to put more hadiths inside, they have been compelled to throw their logic to make space for more hadiths... Their logic is like a 2yr old kid... May Allah guide them...
I am also waiting for them to produce these famous hadith manuscripts.. where are they...
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And I'll answer it with a "hell yes", because they love him more than humanity. No seriously, in Hislam you are taught to love Muhammad more than your own mother. rotfl
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today, my "hislamic" friends told me that Muhammed was a "perfect" man with no flaws...I told them, "Is that why he does not wan't to read and write?" laugh ...They were very angry and accused me of apostasy!
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today, my "hislamic" friends told me that Muhammed was a "perfect" man with no flaws...I told them, "Is that why he does not wan't to read and write?" laugh ...They were very angry and accused me of apostasy! (
Just be careful. I wouldn't want anything to happen to you
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today, my "hislamic" friends told me that Muhammed was a "perfect" man with no flaws...I told them, "Is that why he does not wan't to read and write?" laugh ...They were very angry and accused me of apostasy! (
It would have been very foolish to expect any other kind of reaction from them... Anyways, I better concentrate on the study of the Quran that wasting time with these people... I hope Allah guide us all to the straight path.. These people already have their Quran in their hands, so they will be solely responsible for their fate because the Quran DID REACH them!
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619 Say "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say "(Allah) is witness between me and you; This Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah." Say "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him."So technically, they will be answerable for the reason why they kept the Quran on the high shelves wrapped in embroided cloth...
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It would have been very foolish to expect any other kind of reaction from them... Anyways, I better concentrate on the study of the Quran that wasting time with these people... I hope Allah guide us all to the straight path.. These people already have their Quran in their hands, so they will be solely responsible for their fate because the Quran DID REACH them!
So technically, they will be answerable for the reason why they kept the Quran on the high shelves wrapped in embroided cloth...
I would hate to see Islam make the same mistake with Muhammad as the Christians did with Jesus.