Is there anyone still ALIVE after THOUSANDS of years? Does the Quran support it?
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Yes, dear I know the main issue of the thread. That man is quite referred many times.
Allah has not liked the desire of each and every Jew for living a 1000 years life. The life span of Noah alahissalam is reflected by the digit 1000 with minus 50 years, thereby totalling 950; less than thousand years. The other long life span given was to the young men/boys who escaped to a cave and remained in a state of coma. Qur'aan gives a general statement in 602 that each one has a determined living span after which he has to die/taste the death.
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2134 (Y. Ali) We granted not to any man before thee permanent life (here) if then thou shouldst die, would they live permanently?
If you die, would they stay/live for indefinite period?
None lives for indefinite period except the one murdered in the cause of Allah. And we know definitely the existing life span of humanity in various parts of the world. Both knowledgable person and Easa alahissalm were not murdered in the cause of Allah therefore they are not living, both died their natural death long ago.
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Wa Alaykum Salaam WayFinder,
I have highlighted a RED part in your response.. I do not think this can be added to the definition of IMMORTALITY... Immortality has straight relation to DEATH whereas a LONG life has no relation with immortality as death is waiting ahead...
As for the part on the age of 1000 years... I find this verse which talks about it.
Do you think this verse adds some information to our subject?
Perhaps you are correct concerning the death versus long life issue. However, I think you pointed out a great Qur'aanic passage, and it could certainly add a thought into this discussion... It mentions here that those people (the rejectors) long for a life of 1000 years, but this will not bring them any closer to Allah or save them from judgement. So, maybe it's an indirect implication that the human lifespan cannot exceed 1000 years. Just a thought. What do you think about it?
Peace,
Ahmad
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I have already outlined in the first post that I do not care about Al-Khidr etc being still alive and I am well aware it is from traditionalists and folk tales.. What I want to investigate into is, does the Quran support such a long life theory? We know that Nuh remained with his people 950 years and this seems to be an exceptionally long lifespace.
Ahhh, I understand your point now.
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Don't forget, the rotation of the Earth slows each year making our years longer. The years in the old testament (Adam etc) would be so much shorter making their lifespan seem so much longer.
I've heard this theory before too, and it could be possible, depending on exactly how much the earth's rotation slows down and how much is has slowed down since the time of Noah...
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The quran equates sleep with death in 660 so perhaps the man mentioned in 2259 didn't really die. Perhaps he just went into a deep sleep like the sleepers of Ephesus. Furthermore, if the man had been asleep or dead for a hundred years, how come his food and drink didn't change at all? And why did his donkey stick around his dead or sleeping body and die? I think there's more to 2259 than meets the eye. Perhaps it's not describing something supernatural.
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The quran equates sleep with death in 660 so perhaps the man mentioned in 2259 didn't really die. Perhaps he just went into a deep sleep like the sleepers of Ephesus. Furthermore, if the man had been asleep or dead for a hundred years, how come his food and drink didn't change at all? And why did his donkey stick around his dead or sleeping body and die? I think there's more to 2259 than meets the eye. Perhaps it's not describing something supernatural.
Grand Qur'aan does not equate death with sleep.
In 2259 it is specifically told that the man died.
The information about eatables reflects that the same can be stored and saved from aging. Today we can save eatables for certain periods.
He must have tied the donkey before taking sleep. He was a mindful person.
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I do not think that Noah lived 950 years, otherwise, his people would have believed in his message, thinking that he was an extraordinary creature or an angel..
22.5and among you there is he who is brought back to the most abject time of life, so that, after knowledge, he knoweth naught.
God did not say Noah was an exception to this rule and was able to preach and retain his knowledge after this age
And Noah had sons, do we understand that he had them at the age of ninty?
1172She said Oh woe is me! Shall I bear a child when I am an old woman, and this my husband is an old man? Lo! this is a strange thing!
1173They said Wonderest thou at the commandment of Allah? The mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, O people of the house! Lo! He is Owner of Praise, Owner of Glory!
Strange enough, the angels did not tell her about Noah, nor did she have knowledge of his giving birth in his ninties.
I think "thousand" just means "too long", just like in verse 296
And thou wilt find them greediest of mankind for life and (greedier) than the idolaters. (Each) one of them would like to be allowed to live a thousand years. And to live (a thousand years) would be no means remove him from the doom. Allah is Seer of what they do.
As for the examples of the youth in chapter 18, or the man who died for 100 years, they were not "alive", and we cannot say they lived that long.
Noah, in my opinion, lived 50 years only, though his message stayed too long after him. -
I do not think that Noah lived 950 years, otherwise, his people would have believed in his message, thinking that he was an extraordinary creature or an angel..
22.5and among you there is he who is brought back to the most abject time of life, so that, after knowledge, he knoweth naught.
God did not say Noah was an exception to this rule and was able to preach and retain his knowledge after this age
And Noah had sons, do we understand that he had them at the age of ninty?
Sister Assalamo Alaikum,
When he lived for that long the others in that area and era would be having same life span. Therefore nothing striking for any one.
The fact quoted in the verse is about the incapcitating of a person to retrieve knowledge after having gained it. It can, according to Qur'aan, and todays what we call Alzehmeir's disease, happen at the age of strong youth/becoming manly.
Perception and meanings
Quran had described which resembles what today we call Alzheimer's diseaseQuran e Majeed had informed mankind, 1400 years back, as follows
"We will keep making it visible to the eyes of those who do not accept Quran, the signs/knowledge in the Universe and in their own bodies till it becomes evident for them that this Quran is a statement of proven fact" {Refer 4153}
The Grand Quran has informed that Allah will keep revealing, the knowledge about the universe and human body, and it will become manifest to the people that the Quran is a statement of proven fact. Why would it become manifest that the Quran is a statement of proven fact when man sees/perceives new knowledge about universe and human body? If the things mentioned in a book written earlier in time and space are subsequently found a scientific fact only then it is evident to people that the Book is really a statement of proven facts and not conjectural and presumptive.
It is a matter of common knowledge that human beings, unlike many species of animal kingdom, are born in a state that they do not have knowledge/perception of anything??????..MORE
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/002.%20Meanings%20and%20Tabweeb%20of%20words/003.%20Arzal%20il%20Umre%20Alzheimer's%20disease/03.%20Arzal%20Umar.htm -
So you mean there ARE people older than me? Wow! o
you are not too old? Do you have grand children yet? sun
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Yes 2, they are back in England though.
Are they non trinitian God aloners like you too? ;D
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They are too young to make up their minds
I made up my mind when I was eight!
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Grand Qur'aan does not equate death with sleep.
It seems to in 660.
In 2259 it is specifically told that the man died.
There are many verses in which the Arabic word for "Death" is used metaphorically, like 757.
The information about eatables reflects that the same can be stored and saved from aging. Today we can save eatables for certain periods.
I doubt people who rode donkeys could preserve eatables for a hundred years. Yes, seeds and honey could have been preserved that long, but it's more likely that the man mentioned in 2259 was carrying bread.
He must have tied the donkey before taking sleep. He was a mindful person.
The quran tells us that he wondered how the god could resurrect the dead while he was passing through the town. It makes no mention of him getting off his donkey and tying it so there's no reason to believe that he did. The traditional understanding of 2259 is irrational because it assumes a supernatural event took place. The god tells us to be rational and therefore we mustn't accept the traditional interpretation of 2259.
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It seems to in 660.
There are many verses in which the Arabic word for "Death" is used metaphorically, like 757.
I doubt people who rode donkeys could preserve eatables for a hundred years. Yes, seeds and honey could have been preserved that long, but it's more likely that the man mentioned in 2259 was carrying bread.
The quran tells us that he wondered how the god could resurrect the dead while he was passing through the town. It makes no mention of him getting off his donkey and tying it so there's no reason to believe that he did. The traditional understanding of 2259 is irrational because it assumes a supernatural event took place. The god tells us to be rational and therefore we mustn't accept the traditional interpretation of 2259.
It seems all understanding is traditional based. in 660 does not make death the synony of sleep. does not mean death, that is traditionalist understanding and totally wrong. There is thread showing difference between and death, both are distinct from each other.
Why death in 757 be taken as metamorphical? And if taken metamorphically how it could be equated with death of the living since Earth is matter.
The dead man did not preserve the things, it is told that things did not rot. Telling, atmosphere/surroundings had not aging effect on those. There is no mention of instant death the moment he reflected on the question of raising after death. It is followed by "Fa"; and the food is lying on the surface of the earth which shows he was sojourning there at the point of death. A man riding a donkey who reflects and ponders on surroundings is better than that king who had not even observed the apparent realities around him and had preconceived notions.
The Qur'aan has recorded a fact and by saying that traditionalist understanding shows it a 'supernatural event' and therefore is irrational, you in fact are declaring the words of Qur'aan as tale. Anything that does not come to comprehension or one cannot perceive or understand need not be called "supernatural". It is "supernatural" so long a man does not understand.