Alif; Laam and Meem with ancillary glyph/prolongation sign
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Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 102912 AM
Let us notsnip ithere is definite and certain. If it is not Mecca, then why are you reluctant to point it out where is it? Pl tell us which place is this?
Peace Mazhar,
2226 points out exactly where it is. The location of the house is where those who maintain it do not setup any partners with the god and cleanse it from dirt, idols and falsehood.
Since those who maintain the pagan stone cube in Mecca idolize the prophet, their clergy, the stone cube, a Black Stone, etc. etc. then their house is certainly not the god's house.
Their pagan house is not clean but is full of filthy idols ranging from the stone cube to the black stone to footprints to magical water etc. etc. so it cannot be the god's house.
So the question is who are you going to believe? Are you going to believe the god's clear instructions in 2226 or your forefathers and imagine that Mecca is mentioned in 2226?
Once you believe in the god alone instead of in Mecca and its pagan idols then you will understand 2226.
Peace,
Ayman
I thought that on this forum I am the one who has very little understanding of great language Arabic. But today I find solace when I read it from you brother Ayman. After having prepared/identified the ground/location/plot the other part of the verse is one to one address to Ibrahim alaihissalam. And with "wa iz" the insertion of words "He said to him" were neither needed to be added rather would have been uncecessary/superfluous.
Notwithstanding what people do, you have now yourself said that this house is in Mecca. But when I say this physical reality you call me a liar. A place/location will remain the same physically nothwithstanding what people do and how they behave. If people start clapping and dancing in Masjid al haraam, it will remain Masjid al Haram and will be called as such.
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Peace Q_student,
This post shows that you do not know even the use and significance of "The".
We are not talking about common nouns and Proper nouns.We are talking about Indefinite and Definite nouns.
Try to learn the difference between them.Your ignorant post was a miserable attempt at refuting the fact that the word "al-ka3ba" or "ka3ba" should be translated just like all common nouns such as "al-rajul"/the man and "rajul"/man are translated. Only proper names are not translated. You were proposing that the definite article makes a word a proper name and hence you capitalized the word with the definite article below
It is exactly like the difference between
A democrate
BThe DemorcrateIf this was not your point then please translate "al-ka3bah" for us, otherwise we can conclude that you are ignorant of what it means, just like you are ignore what "mecca" means and that you were indeed ignorantly proposing your nonsense that the definite article makes something untranslateable (a proper name).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Mazhar,
I thought that on this forum I am the one who has very little understanding of great language Arabic. But today I find solace when I read it from you brother Ayman. After having prepared/identified the ground/location/plot the other part of the verse is one to one address to Ibrahim alaihissalam. And with "wa iz" the insertion of words "He said to him" were neither needed to be added rather would have been uncecessary/superfluous.
There is nothing superfluous about 2226. The passage clearly says
- And when we assigned to Ibrahim the location of the house is that you don't partner with me anything...
What is superfluous about the above?
Notwithstanding what people do, you have now yourself said that this house is in Mecca. But when I say this physical reality you call me a liar. A place/location will remain the same physically nothwithstanding what people do and how they behave. If people start clapping and dancing in Masjid al haraam, it will remain Masjid al Haram and will be called as such.
I said that I am 100% certain that it is not in Mecca so you are lying again. This seems to be a habit of yours when you have nothing of value to say.
As for appealing to physical reality, this means that you now admit that your claim that the great reading says that the house is the one in Mecca was a lie. If you want to appeal to physical reality then the physical reality is that the pagan shrine in Mecca was built in 1996 by the Saudis and not by Abraham. The physical evidence also shows that Mecca didn't exist prior to the 8th century CE.
But neither the great reading nor physical reality matter to you. All you care about is satisfying your pagan fetish for idolizing a stone cube, spinning around it, fondling it, and kissing it.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Q_student,
Your ignorant post was a miserable attempt at refuting the fact that the word "al-ka3ba" or "ka3ba" should be translated just like all common nouns such as "al-rajul"/the man and "rajul"/man are translated. Only proper names are not translated. You were proposing that the definite article makes a word a proper name and hence you capitalized the word with the definite article below
If this was not your point then please translate "al-ka3bah" for us, otherwise we can conclude that you are ignorant of what it means, just like you are ignore what "mecca" means and that you were indeed ignorantly proposing your nonsense that the definite article makes something untranslateable (a proper name).
Peace,
Ayman
Peace
Again it shows you do not know what does prefixed "alif - Lam" mean ? How is possible that you are ignorant of significance of "Mu3arraf billaam" nouns and you claim to attempt on the Quran?
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Peace Mazhar,
There is nothing superfluous about 2226. The passage clearly says
- And when we assigned to Ibrahim the location of the house is that you don't partner with me anything...
What is superfluous about the above?
I said that I am 100% certain that it is not in Mecca so you are lying again. This seems to be a habit of yours when you have nothing of value to say.
As for appealing to physical reality, this means that you now admit that your claim that the great reading says that the house is the one in Mecca was a lie. If you want to appeal to physical reality then the physical reality is that the pagan shrine in Mecca was built in 1996 by the Saudis and not by Abraham. The physical evidence also shows that Mecca didn't exist prior to the 8th century CE.
But neither the great reading nor physical reality matter to you. All you care about is satisfying your pagan fetish for idolizing a stone cube, spinning around it, fondling it, and kissing it.Peace,
Ayman
Dear you make statements in the manner of a hard fact while these are mere blows of the mouth. Grand Qur'aan was revealed in the seventh century. Which city of Mecca it is talking about
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Arabic isn't exactly like English. That's why there can be no 100% accurate translation of it.
Lol, Mecca is a pagan city...ok so where do I go for hajj? rotfl
thats a good question! rotfl
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Peace Mazhar,
There is nothing superfluous about 2226. The passage clearly says
- And when we assigned to Ibrahim the location of the house is that you don't partner with me anything...
What is superfluous about the above?
I said that I am 100% certain that it is not in Mecca so you are lying again. This seems to be a habit of yours when you have nothing of value to say.
As for appealing to physical reality, this means that you now admit that your claim that the great reading says that the house is the one in Mecca was a lie. If you want to appeal to physical reality then the physical reality is that the pagan shrine in Mecca was built in 1996 by the Saudis and not by Abraham. The physical evidence also shows that Mecca didn't exist prior to the 8th century CE.
But neither the great reading nor physical reality matter to you. All you care about is satisfying your pagan fetish for idolizing a stone cube, spinning around it, fondling it, and kissing it.
Peace,
Ayman
Ayman, peace
If Mecca did not exist prior to 8th century CE, then which city is this with whose Sustainer Lord we should be allegiant?
"Indeed I was advised that I should remain subject/subservient/allegiant to the Sustainer Lord of this City, which He has declared sanctified,
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Peace Mazhar,
Dear you make statements in the manner of a hard fact while these are mere blows of the mouth. Grand Qur'aan was revealed in the seventh century. Which city of Mecca it is talking about
Nothing in 4824 about the inviolable house being in a city called Mecca. Where does it say in 4824 that Mecca is the name of a city? You don't seem to know what "mecca" means and you take it as meaningless. If you translate it then you will understand what 4824 is saying and you will reach certainty that the great reading is from the god and has been preserved by the god.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Mazhar,
Ayman, peace
If Mecca did not exist prior to 8th century CE, then which city is this with whose Sustainer Lord we should be allegiant?"Indeed I was advised that I should remain subject/subservient/allegiant to the Sustainer Lord of this City, which He has declared sanctified,
Where does it say the name of this city? Had the name of the city been important then the god would have said "this city named X".
Again, you need to bring real evidence from the great reading not from your preconceptions. It is good to see that you are going back to the great reading and have abandoned your "physical reality" argument since by now you probably learned that this opens up a can of worms for Mecca. Hopefully, you can continue on the right track.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Mazhar,
Where does it say the name of this city? Had the name of the city been important then the god would have said "this city named X".
Again, you need to bring real evidence from the great reading not from your preconceptions. It is good to see that you are going back to the great reading and have abandoned your "physical reality" argument since by now you probably learned that this opens up a can of worms for Mecca. Hopefully, you can continue on the right track.
Peace,
Ayman
Dear Ayman;
My sinere and heartfelt advice to you is to start learning Arabic from Sisiter Samia; She is never hesitant and irritant to teach. I never feel shy in asking her to guide and make me understand even elementary things about Arabic.
This is a statement made by a human being
and he is referring to the specific city and the Sustainer Lord of that city. If you cannot find and name that city then who is that lord whom you worship because the man who made this statement says he is to remain loyal and sincere to the Sustainer Lord of "this city"? If you do not recognize then you also do not recognize the man who said it. Sustainer Lord is recognized and then understood only by physical realities not by abstract hypothetical assertions. Allah is recognized only by "Aa'ya'aat" and these are physical realities all around us.
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ayman, where do I do hajj? Can it be any place where there's no filth and idolatry?
Idolatory in pure physical terms is sculpting statues and declaring them as various iela'aha after giving them imaginative names. Idolators do not worship or call upon all sorts of stutues. Honouring and veneration does not constitue idolatory.
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Peace Mazhar,
My sinere and heartfelt advice to you is to start learning Arabic from Sisiter Samia; She is never hesitant and irritant to teach. I never feel shy in asking her to guide and make me understand even elementary things about Arabic.
Indeed, sister Samia has helped me on many things. Why don't you ask her what the word "mecca" means?
This is a statement made by a human being
and he is referring to the specific city and the Sustainer Lord of that city. If you cannot find and name that city then who is that lord whom you worship because the man who made this statement says he is to remain loyal and sincere to the Sustainer Lord of "this city"? If you do not recognize then you also do not recognize the man who said it. Sustainer Lord is recognized and then understood only by physical realities not by abstract hypothetical assertions. Allah is recognized only by "Aa'ya'aat" and these are physical realities all around us.
The present day town named Mecca is that town only in your imagination.
Besides the fact that the town presently called Mecca didn't exit prior to the 8th century CE, the physical reality is that the same city is referred to in the great reading with figs and olives and a mountain
This certainly doesn't sound like Mecca which has no figs and no olives. These are found in northern Arabia.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Mazhar,
Indeed, sister Samia has helped me on many things. Why don't you ask her what the word "mecca" means?
The present day town named Mecca is that town only in your imagination.
Besides the fact that the town presently called Mecca didn't exit prior to the 8th century CE, the physical reality is that the same city is referred to in the great reading with figs and olives and a mountain
This certainly doesn't sound like Mecca which has no figs and no olives. These are found in northern Arabia.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman;
Througout the thread you are in "abstract" frame of mind. I talk about ground facts but you do not mention the name of "this city" where a particular "bait" exists upon whom the claimant is Allah since He calls it "My house".
If that is not Mecca as you emphatically claim that it came into existence in 8th century then please name it.Terms like northern Arabia, southern Arabia is not the translation of such specific words
By the way who told you/from where you got this "Mecca didn't exit prior to the 8th century CE".
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Peace Mazhar,
Througout the thread you are in "abstract" frame of mind. I talk about ground facts but you do not mention the name of "this city" where a particular "bait" exists upon whom the claimant is Allah since He calls it "My house".
If that is not Mecca as you emphatically claim that it came into existence in 8th century then please name it.You are the one who is stuck in an abstract frame of mind. Names are 100% abstract and have no relation to reality. Your name Mazhar means "appearance" in Arabic. Are you an "appearance"? Is this who you really are according to physical reality?
Similarly, there are many people named Mohamed, does this mean that they are the prophet? Anyone can name something this or that. This doesn't reflect the reality or truth.
You have to get beyond the superficial name and look at the reality of things. The location given in 2226 is the REALITY irrespective of what superficial untrue names people give to locations and things.
If someone in the 8th century CE named a town Al-Balad Al-Amin then does this make it the location? Is "al-balad al-amin" a name or a description?
Terms like northern Arabia, southern Arabia is not the translation of such specific words
Northern Arabia is where figs and olives grow. This is REALITY.
By the way who told you/from where you got this "Mecca didn't exit prior to the 8th century CE".
This is a fact based on great reading constantly talking about this town as a town with a multi-faith population of the people of the book. Yet no one from the people of the book ever heard about a town called Mecca prior to the 8th century CE. You can easily prove me wrong by bringing any evidence for the existence of Mecca prior to the 8th century CE.
More importantly, here is the Classical Arabic meaning of the common noun "mecca"
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From the Mohit Classical Arabic dictionary, one can see that "mecca" can have the following meanings
- Sucking everything out
- Destruction and wearing down
Here is the Yusufali translation
- And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of Mecca after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.
Here is the translation of 4824 using Classical Arabic dictionaries and the context of war from the passage to translate the common description "mecca"
- And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of destruction after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.
The common meaning fits perfectly with the context of a war and standoff in 4824. This is an amazing observation. Besides discrediting the paganism going on in present day Mecca, it means that we can be 100% sure that the great reading is the preserved word of the god. The pagans couldn't even insert one word or change it to name the location of the pagan shrine they established. They were forced to hijack a clear common noun. When we see the truth, we achieve certainty. This is something a stone cube can never do for you no matter how long you stare at it.
Peace,
Ayman
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 074430 AM
Througout the thread you are in "abstract" frame of mind. I talk about ground facts but you do not mention the name of "this city" where a particular "bait" exists upon whom the claimant is Allah since He calls it "My house".
If that is not Mecca as you emphatically claim that it came into existence in 8th century then please name it.You are the one who is stuck in an abstract frame of mind. Names are 100% abstract and have no relation to reality. Your name Mazhar means "appearance" in Arabic. Are you an "appearance"? Is this who you really are according to physical reality?
Similarly, there are many people named Mohamed, does this mean that they are the prophet? Anyone can name something this or that. This doesn't reflect the reality or truth.
You have to get beyond the superficial name and look at the reality of things. The location given in 2226 is the REALITY irrespective of what superficial untrue names people give to locations and things.
If someone in the 8th century CE named a town Al-Balad Al-Amin then does this make it the location? Is "al-balad al-amin" a name or a description?
My dear Ayman;
Watch your words; they show and expose the inner frame of mind and heart of a person.
See the first word of Grand Qur'aan, "great reading" as you call it. You call it "great" but do not accept it. The first information it gives is this "Beginning is with Name/Code"; and you think name is something abstract. Yes it is abstract when you innovate an imaginative/hypothetical name when the thing or person being referred through this innovate name is non existing.