Short video on circumcision
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Asalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
Alen,
I must disagree there. Ever visited a difficult births ward of a hospital? Some born deformed, twisted or in all manner of disfigurements?
Do you mean to say, that when these children grow up, they should not undergo corrective surgery because they were apparently created perfectly in the first place?Peace,
Respectfully.That's not what i was referring to. If a person is born with some sort of disfigurement, then yes, doctors should correct it. But then again, you must ask yourself, who made the mistake? because i can assure you that if a mother or a father smokes or drinks alcohol or uses illegal drugs or lives under extreme stress or doesn't eat proper food, doesn't get enough sleep and so on, then, yeah, there will be problems at birth, during delivery, even afterwards.
If a person is born with an extra toe, then that should not be corrected because i don't see a problem in that.
Here, it depends what kind of deformity ar eyou talking about. Please, provide an example.Peace.
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Asalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
Alen,
I must disagree there. Ever visited a difficult births ward of a hospital? Some born deformed, twisted or in all manner of disfigurements?
Do you mean to say, that when these children grow up, they should not undergo corrective surgery because they were apparently created perfectly in the first place?
Peace Rashidala,
You did not read my article
"One other argument they put forth is that some babies are born with disorders, so the understanding of the verses on perfection of creation has to be seen differently. For example they say, the verse, "We have indeed created man in the best of moulds." (Qur'an 954) cannot be used against circumcision as humans are not always born perfect. What they do not understand is that the verses we read on perfection of human beings' body in the Qur'an are referring to the actual 'blueprint' - or in other words, the 'default plan' in Allah's creation. That is, for example, all humans have five fingers on each hand, two eyes, one tongue etc. That is the actual design of Allah. If there is a baby born with a disorder, for example with four fingers instead of five, then this particular baby's disorder is not part of Allah's blueprint (which is perfect), hence the reason we are calling the condition a 'disorder'!
The foreskin is part of Allah's blueprint as all male human beings are born with it (a default part of the DNA), which makes it part of Allah's perfect creation and which is why all the verses we quoted are applicable. This is why the suggestion of circumcision as a beneficial procedure for the male human being is actually a gross insult against the perfection in Allah's design as well as Quranic verses."
http//www.quranicpath.com/verses/circumcision.html
Thus it is ok to correct a disorder, but the foreskin is not a disorder (quite the opposite, a needed part of the penis for optimal performance and functioning).
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Asalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
This typed medium does not give to vocal expression or tone.. lol. I was just thinking out loud and not seeking to be confrontational to the subject, just to be certain.
Jazak Allah Khair to your both for your responses.
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Asalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
This typed medium does not give to vocal expression or tone.. lol. I was just thinking out loud and not seeking to be confrontational to the subject, just to be certain.
Jazak Allah Khair to your both for your responses.
Appologies if I sounded confrontational. But did you get my point?
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Just wanted to bring this topic back up again. I want to share this video (in 3 parts)
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vUjzvNHexI
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c3190--TN8&feature=channel_page
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlFI9zDZ_bY&feature=channel_pageCircumcision is a pure mutilation and I dont understand why so many people are impartial on this issue. Its male genital mutilation nothing short of that. Why is it people show double standard with male? Both male and female one is genital mutilation and here is why.
Not only is circumcision (the word is a euphemism) is a highly traumatic and painful experience for the infant/child or an adult...even with anesthesia...it causes several LIFELONG harms. In a baby, its even more painful because at birth, the foreskin is fused to the glans like your nails to your finger, the surgeon has to forcibly sperate the two...this is excruciatingly painful on a finger even more with the penis because glans is more sensitive. Many people dont know this fact. (The foreskin becomes retractable by it's self as the child grows to puberty, parents should NOT attempt to forcibly retract it at any point)
*subconscious affect of liefelong traumatic pain on the brain
*About 20,000 to 30,000 nerve endings are cut away by removing adult equivalent of about 15 square inches of foreskin in a circumcision. Tens of thousands of nerve endings are missing for sexual pleasure. Its said to be the most sensitive part of the penis which is removed!
*karatanization of the glans...glans is meant to be a moist protected organ. Its like your eyeballs, you would not touch your eyeballs directly but over your eyelids, it stings. The rubbing of underwear/towels etc. leads to a loss of sensitivity of the glans with further reduction in sexual pleasure on top of missing foreskin. The glans through chafing and abrasion develops a coating of hardened skin making it less sensitive. There is also an additional source of pleasure destroyed the gliding action...
*the word foreskin is also not a good term (its a thick sheath of skin) glides over the shaft and glans for pleasurable sensation in intact males over in built lubrication. This pleasurable gliding action is lost due to it bieing cut and stiched on the shaft making it a static organ (further with loss of 20,000 or more nerves on removed foreskin and glans sensory loss through abrasion on clothes results in significant loss of sensation during love making)...so far we have listed 3 ways in which sexual pleasure has been reduced significantly.
*angled penile extension - in an intact penis, the sheath of skin glides smoothly with mucosa lubrication underneath (like under your eyelids) and the shaft can extend as much as required comfortably with the gliding action...on an circumcised penis, they stitch the foreskin and it is stuck/fixed and often full and comfortable erection is not achieved / angled penile extension because of the pull from the skin and shaft unable to extend.
*Irritation on the glans due to abrasion in underwear or towel...even loosing sensitivity, it is sensitive enough in adult life cause lifelong discomfort which the man has to learn to ignore. I have spoken to many circumcised men and they all ackowledge this.
*Even during non arousal state, because the foreskin is stitched in fixed position..the glans retraction (as it does during normal acitvity) means the foreskin buckles and creases against the stitched position. This is uncormfortable compared to an intact one. In an intact penis, excess skin gathers ahead of the glans but not with a circumcised one.
*the exposed glans can become cold as the foreskin serves as temperature regulator and is missing.
Men circumcised and birth or childhood dont know the difference. The above problems is learnt to be ignored or dealt with by the brain (for example daily irritation of the glans, buckling of foreskin etc). Sex is pleasurable still but they dont know how it is to be intact so dont know the difference. That is one reason why lots of circumcised men do not complain. Also many men, do achieve the strength of mind to acknowledge that something is inately missing or less functional of their body, this requires a level of mental conviction. There is also a phychological affect of hiding the pain of acknowledhing that this was done upon them without their consent by their own parents. All this leads to a passive view by men to what is really a brutal and abusive surgery or butchery rather. How GOD created the penis is perfect in the womb
"We have indeed created man in the BEST OF moulds." (Qur'an 954)
"Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be GOD, the BEST OF ALL CREATORS!" (Qur'an 2314)
"The work of GOD who has PERFECTED EVERYTHING (He created)." (Qur'an 278
"He the One Who has made PERFECTLY everything He has created He began the creation of human beings with clay" (Qur'an 327)
"Woe to man! How ungrateful He is! From what thing does God create Him? He created him from a droplet and then ORDAINED HIS PROPORTIONS." (Qur'an 8017-19)
", 'I will lead them astray and fill them with false hopes. I will command them and they will cut off cattle's ears. I will command them and they will change Allah's creation.' Anyone who takes Satan as his protector in place of Allah has clearly lost everything. He makes promises to them and fills them with false hopes. But what Satan promises them is nothing but delusion." (Qur'an 4119-120)
Did people know that this practice was introduced into America in the 18th century to prevent masturbation? I urge all to read upon and be informed before carrying out this terrible butchery on their sons.
More info on Qur'an and circumcision, please visit
http//www.quranicpath.com/verses/circumcision.htmlHelp stop this cruel practice by joining Facebook group
http//www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=118173552852&ref=tsPeace.
PS. I noticed that the freeminds article on this issue was allowing it as a personal choice...didnt even mention infant circumcision as wrong at all (where another persons body part is removed without his consent), nor did it consider it against Quranic principles as the verses to me are crystal clear that circum-mutilation is a violation of God's path as he says he created people in perfect form. The penis is perfect as created in the womb and further the Qur'an states the satan will inspire people to cut off bits of the body.
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Did people know that this practice was introduced into America in the 18th century to prevent masturbation?
Then it must have failed epically in my case then as I masturbate 1-2 times a day daily, on a daily basis. http//i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg179/Final_Fantasy_Ultimania/haermm.gif
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Anyway...http//books.google.com/books?id=rQUqA-AftAQC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_v2_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Very interesting and shows how indeed Shaitan got people to CHANGE THE CREATION THE ALLAH.
**** them.
...did I just type The Allah?
lol...of course, I meant of.
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I believe my constant gazing and addiction has to do with the fact that I am circumcized.
Since according to that article...those who are circumcized may do unbiological and abnormal things to stimulate themselves. Rang a bell immediately...
Elsewhere in that article where it talks about accidents where boys got totally amputated (surgeons cut off the entire thing) they were made to be raised as girls! Wtf? How would that do anything? They still got the testicles and even if you want to cut that off they don't have a vagina either...
Circumcision is retarded. It is not worth the risk. So what it you have a lower chance of getting aids, and have urine still hanging around the foreskin? Don't fornicate, and wash your dick...
I'm starting to think that all my gazing and indulging in my habit is a result of all this so, may God take than into consideration...
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I believe my constant gazing and addiction has to do with the fact that I am circumcized.
Since according to that article...those who are circumcized may do unbiological and abnormal things to stimulate themselves. Rang a bell immediately...
Elsewhere in that article where it talks about accidents where boys got totally amputated (surgeons cut off the entire thing) they were made to be raised as girls! Wtf? How would that do anything? They still got the testicles and even if you want to cut that off they don't have a vagina either...
Circumcision is retarded. It is not worth the risk. So what it you have a lower chance of getting aids, and have urine still hanging around the foreskin? Don't fornicate, and wash your dick...
I'm starting to think that all my gazing and indulging in my habit is a result of all this so, may God take than into consideration...
bravo
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I feel really bad that I had my foreskin removed (freaking read it was the most sexually sensitive part of the dick...who the heck would want that removed?!).
If it obviously should be a personal choice (I mean you might as well cut the whole thing off since you're already mutilating my genitals) then why was I circ'd when I was a baby? Meh, whatever. I'm not going to whine to my parents about this as they've shown enough proof they love me and if anything they probably thought it was better for me and/or it was done without them knowing so they're definitely not ones to blame here.
I have a billion other things to complain about to the god (inherited male pattern hair loss and I'm working to prevent it from even becoming apparent, and this is at least 2x the concern of being circ'd) so I think to myself what's the point really. I probably have a billion things I've been given others haven't been.
In fact even before I came to realize this reality (some say it doesn't play a role in sexual sensation but I think that's bs) all I wanted was not to give up (give up on God's sunna/commit suicide) because this life is not even meant to be heaven or anything close.
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I feel really bad that I had my foreskin removed (freaking read it was the most sexually sensitive part of the dick...who the heck would want that removed?!).
If it obviously should be a personal choice (I mean you might as well cut the whole thing off since you're already mutilating my genitals) then why was I circ'd when I was a baby? Meh, whatever. I'm not going to whine to my parents about this as they've shown enough proof they love me and if anything they probably thought it was better for me and/or it was done without them knowing so they're definitely not ones to blame here.
I have a billion other things to complain about to the god (inherited male pattern hair loss and I'm working to prevent it from even becoming apparent, and this is at least 2x the concern of being circ'd) so I think to myself what's the point really. I probably have a billion things I've been given others haven't been.
In fact even before I came to realize this reality (some say it doesn't play a role in sexual sensation but I think that's bs) all I wanted was not to give up (give up on God's sunna/commit suicide) because this life is not even meant to be heaven or anything close.
Thanks for your useful post...can I ask you to elaborate on how they did it without your parents consent? Which country was this (though I have got a guess)?
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I put and/or because I'm not sure. I'm not going to bring it up to my parents. I don't want them to feel bad. I've done enough of that already.
...holy crap this was in Baltimore Maryland. I was thinking just now I was born in Egypt! slaps forehead
Yeah I was born in Baltimore...and a righteous believer if God accepts. D
I also believe circ is part of Satan's promise that he'll alter the creation, seeing as it's not in any of God's books (it may then as well be part of the satanic teachings or those of the ignorant).
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I feel really bad that I had my foreskin removed (freaking read it was the most sexually sensitive part of the dick...who the heck would want that removed?!).
If it obviously should be a personal choice (I mean you might as well cut the whole thing off since you're already mutilating my genitals) then why was I circ'd when I was a baby? Meh, whatever. I'm not going to whine to my parents about this as they've shown enough proof they love me and if anything they probably thought it was better for me and/or it was done without them knowing so they're definitely not ones to blame here.
I have a billion other things to complain about to the god (inherited male pattern hair loss and I'm working to prevent it from even becoming apparent, and this is at least 2x the concern of being circ'd) so I think to myself what's the point really. I probably have a billion things I've been given others haven't been.
In fact even before I came to realize this reality (some say it doesn't play a role in sexual sensation but I think that's bs) all I wanted was not to give up (give up on God's sunna/commit suicide) because this life is not even meant to be heaven or anything close.
I think it is wonderful that you are grateful for what you have. But there is nothing wrong with wondering why. Maybe you should ask your parents, I know it cannot reverse anything, but at least it would settle your mind.
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The reason I don't want to ask is that I don't want them to feel like I wanted it thus becoming regretful that they can't reverse something which is pretty much permanent.
I mean, my hair has been thinning (although I'm maintaining now and it still looks great) and I care about this at least twice as much. My teeth protrude out, and my nose is...wierd. Being circumcised just goes into this folder of how my life isn't perfect. I don't want to complain about these things.
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The reason I don't want to ask is that I don't want them to feel like I wanted it thus becoming regretful that they can't reverse something which is pretty much permanent.
I mean, my hair has been thinning (although I'm maintaining now and it still looks great) and I care about this at least twice as much. My teeth protrude out, and my nose is...wierd. Being circumcised just goes into this folder of how my life isn't perfect. I don't want to complain about these things.
I understand the thing about the hair, mine is doing the same. We are what we are, we look the way we do, God made us the way we are but God did not circumcise you.
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But I look at it like he let it happen. Like I said I'm not going to complain about anything. God could have put my soul in different genes as he could have had me not circumcised. I should not neglect God and his advice for these misfortunes. If I'm thankful I'll get more, as he promises.
...circumcision is what caused my frequent habit of masting '( ( it makes orgasms less satisfying, that is why circumcized men are known to masturbate more, experiment with their genitals more and do abnormal things to reach a high orgasm.
It's ****ing stupid. I always wondered why my habit was so frequent. Freaking retarded..oh well, at least now I know why it's so hard to lower the gaze.
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But I look at it like he let it happen. Like I said I'm not going to complain about anything. God could have put my soul in different genes as he could have had me not circumcised. I should not neglect God and his advice for these misfortunes. If I'm thankful I'll get more, as he promises.
...circumcision is what caused my frequent habit of masting '( ( it makes orgasms less satisfying, that is why circumcized men are known to masturbate more, experiment with their genitals more and do abnormal things to reach a high orgasm.
It's ****ing stupid. I always wondered why my habit was so frequent. Freaking retarded..oh well, at least now I know why it's so hard to lower the gaze.
What about female circumcism?
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Circumcision I think is at the heart of the question of what is superfluous ritual and what is meaningful ethic. Assuming religion is reasonably from the hip, I can imagine Abraham circumcising himself as a testamentary to God. But I fail to see the logic in repeating this body modification, especially now that it's been robbed of its relevence in the modern age.