Quran only?
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Peace,
Ever since understanding that the Quran is the Criterion with which to judge, I have (i believe) never gone astray. It's a very straightforward message and applicable to all mankind. True we need the help of more knowledgeable people, but that is not just in the field of Islam but also in the sciences etc. If something agrees with Quran take it, if it disagrees, leave it. Simple rule.
My understanding has thankfully been evolving over the years, I went from Sufi to non-believer to sunni to Muslim and my hopefully I keep an open-mind about all things, even those I've 'decided' upon. It sounds kind of odd, but being very sure about a few things is miles better than being ok with certain concepts.
The Quran economises human effort. The word prophet and messenger is not directly interchangeable although they mean the same person, they mean two different sides to him. The messenger relays the message, the prophet is the guy they spoke to in a day to day basis. I do believe that some hadith may be attributed to the prophet, but those I am quick to check against the Criterion. Like I do with most religious, social things.
Cushan - you're right, some scholars are there, studying for 10 years things that are not actually important. Just how to get around arguments with proofs that to be honest don't make sense most of the time.
becareful knowledge - our 'group' if you can call it that is not a deviation AWAY from Islam, but more it deviates from popular beliefs TO the correct understanding of Islam. It is very loosely a group, whose idealogy is based on the Quran and the need to question, rather than a prescribed set of beliefs that some sunni sects seem to have which does give them the cult mentality. In terms of the 'troublesome' ayats - no such thing. They may be 'troublesome' to the current norm of thinking or against Sunni/Shia Islam, but that trouble is good - it allows us to see an alternative (if that's what you're referring to)
The hadith interplay as you call it - the Quran does not reference hadith the way in which the hadith references quran to explain a point...Please note that as a muslim you MUST accept Quran as Criterion. As such it is there to confirm the truth in scripture (Bible, Torah) and it is there to give us the framework for guidance. When looking at Hadith, something a lot of scholars ignore is the Quran. You CANNOT use Hadith to explain Quran, but you can use Quran to explain Hadith. The direct word of God preserved would be better than the Hadith because you have human influence here and that cannot be ignored irrespective of the voluminous memories that some people are told to have had. Now, I am not for one minute saying that you should reject Hadith. WRONG, you should reject those Hadith which oppose the Quran. IF you find something in conflict with Quran, Quran is always right.
An excerpt of a post I made on another (sunni) website
For example, I would reject the following hadith because it is slanderous to the Prophet and his companions and flies in the face of Quranic ayats
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139
Narrated Abdullah We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which GOD has made lawful for you."Can you explain the above wondrous Hadith?
Where they really more interested in getting laid than in furthering Islam? So, the price of getting 'married temporarily' is a garment? I'm sure that if I looked there would be an explaining hadith to this stating that it is a shirt or something larger, a headscarf would not suffice!
Let's see what the Quran says
2433 Let those who cannot find a match keep chaste until God grants them sufficiency out of His bounty. If any of the male and female servants desires a deed of emancipation, write it for them ensuring good for them by way of rehabilitation. Give them from God's wealth that He has bestowed upon you. You shall not hinder, for worldly gains, your maidservants from guarding their chastity through marriage. If anyone forces them, then to them, after their being compelled, God will be Forgiving, Merciful.So, the prophet would have said to keep chaste until we are married. As adultery is a sin, punishable by lashes (you dare quote the monkeys doing the stoning hadith) this would also be impermissable. Marrying another woman without the express permission of the first and that temporarily for the purposes of getting laid, would also be rendered impermissable.
2430 Tell the believing men to lower their gaze, and guard their modesty. This helps them grow in character. Surely, God is Aware of what they do.
Again, the sublime morals of the prophet are reflected here from what God has ordered him to do that the believing men should lower their gaze and guard themselves, rather than give a shirt to a woman for a quickie.
Just one of the many hadith I reject.
You see, the logic of some hadith fly in the face of what is recognised as the truth if you use Quran to judge them...
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AS salamu Alaikum.
I notice that a majority of Quran only followers i encounter have spent considerable time of their lives in the west either as students or professionals. Are generally intelectually inquisitive and attempt to be social contributors to the populace in which they reside. Which is great. I do find that a lot of the knowldedge and directives in the hadiths are at odds with everyday interactions with non muslims ie pray 5 times a day, wudhu, mingling with the sexes, grow beard...
Some just dont follow, and some need to justify this new found freedom by picking away at Hadiths to highlight contradictions
I know you dont belive in Hadiths but thereis one where Muhamad PBUH says that when he argues with ignorants he loses, when he argues with scholars he wins..
I dont think there are enough properly trained I mean 10+ years of Fiqu language hadith study to address your claims of contradictions, to the rest of us we just use minimal knowledge and duaa and links to counter this position. I really believe that the above explains better the growing presence of Quran onliers, in addition to some non muslim paws as catalysts (including ibliss himself)I don't think you understand my friend.
Living in the West has nothing to do with why more than 80% of the people here follow the Quran alone.
Apparently it wasn't until recently that we found many evidences in the Quran calling itself the only source of guidance and salvation and that anything else is simply concocted and fabricated, by recently I mean within the last 30 years or so.
All of these evidences, of course, were either hidden by the earliest scholars and/or had their meanings manipulated by ahadith in order to make other ahadith fit into the religion and so on, for example calling "baseless hadith" in 316 singing when it's pretty obvious what God means in this verse when you take into consideration verses like 456 proving clearly that God doesn't care whether or not you believe in a hadith different than his (the Quran) and asking if you study and judge from another book (6835-3. You'll also notice there's one sunna acceptable to God in the Quran and that it's God.
This is the SUNNA of God for those of the past, and you will find no alternative for the SUNNA of God.
Trust me, if the "sunna of Muhammad" (which by the way has way too many alarming similarities with falsehoods and bogus practices in the bible http//pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/hadith-plagiarized-from-the-bible/) was such an important part of (not "religion",or "Islam" as we know of today and were taught by our scholars and parents) God's way and true system (sunna), trust me he would have mentioned it. It just never hit common muslims and imams that following Muhammad was following the revelation sent down to him. Oh, believe me. EVERY SINGLE VERSE the sunni's use in their defense and in the defense of their bullshit sunna is easily shot down by other verses in the Quran. The fact is, these sunni's who try in vain to prove that the ahadith has connections with God fail to use any verse in the Quran correctly. At the same time they try to use HADITH in order to prove the validity of HADITH. The stupidity in their statements are manifest and easily spotted by someone who doesn't follow and worship blindly.
You see, the people in the Middle East may not like it that women here don't cover their hair, that men shave, that people spend their free times watching movies, listening to music and playing video games etc. While these so-called Muslims see these acts satanic, they find no problem in mutilating the genitals of infants, having sex with underage girls (married or not, like it matters), having 4 wives, capturing women in war or just invading enemy land and capturing women/enslaving and raping them (forcing them to have sex with you, whether by force, admonishment and/or threatening them may as well be rape) killing converters from Islam (or their fake religion, because it's not real Islam) among hundreds upon thousands of stupid bullshit you'll find in the 30,000 - 50,000 ahadith in six different collections of books that have nothing to do with God and his messenger.
See my rebuttals to Saleh (if you're willing to spend the time) to see why traditional Islam is so far from the truth and why Muhammad will complain to God that his people associated nonsense with the Quran thereby treating the Quran like something you can find in the garbage.
They were all in places like early India and Pakistan.
Of course, these people are condemned by the hadith following sunni's, and I believe they (the sunni's) fabricated lies about them too, but that is not the point. The point is that there are so many clear and undeniable evidences in the Quran that
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It is the only source God gives a shit about.
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Anything from other than God will have contradictions (people have yet to even discover the exact number of ones in the hadith books. It's safe to say there's at least 200 if you include the ones contradicting themselves and with verses in the Quran).
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It is the only book (yes, book) to judge by.
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The best and only hadith (yes, it says hadith in there) that God cares about.
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Muhammad will complain people ignored and deserted the Quran, NOT his sunna or his hadith (which by the way are attributed to him for the sake of getting muslims to follow a false religion. Proof? Muhammad was forbidden to attribute ANYTHING to God but the Quran. However typical of the sunni's, they twisted this verse to make it mean ANYTHING that came out of Muhammad's mouth, or the alleged hadith, have connections to God, and that therefore the ahadith are part of the religion. The denial and/or ignorance is that the verse is talking about ONE THING, ONE SPEECH, and even says that this ONE THING is the revelation, the Quran, NOT ANYTHING ELSE. This isn't surprising, since as I've said earlier
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The only sunna acceptable is the sunna of God. This statement is actually a verse.
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The best hadith and the only one God likes is his own.
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As mentioned earlier, God treats BOOKS (kutub) in 6835-38 JUST as he treats hadith in verses like 456, asking WHAT OTHER THING DO YOU REFER TO? WHAT OTHER THING DO YOU BELIEVE IN AND WHAT OTHER THING DO YOU JUDGE BY? The reason he isn't going to say doing these things are outright haram is because other books, and other hadith can be in accordance with the teachings of God. In this case it agrees with the sunna of God.
In my previous post, God says he accepts NO OTHER SUNNA but his own. Therefore any other book/hadith has to comply with the sunna of God. Do all the hadith books (or even just the ones in Bukhari and Muslim) agree with the sunna of God? HELL no.
I also think honesty and working righteousness will lead to heaven. If you agree with me on that, and not put all your faith in one or two out of literallly tens of thousands of non-verbatim ahadith, we are then in agreement.
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Guys, you wont go to josmo in a backalley to perform surgery on you, you will demand certification before you are cut open, how about eternity, why dont you have patience and allow real scholars to explain the validity of most of these so called contradictions.
Peace,
Respectfully.Bring any and all "scholars" and imams and sheikhs and whoever you want and can, honeslty and i will defeat them using JUST The Quran.
God willing.Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.Bring any and all "scholars" and imams and sheikhs and whoever you want and can, honeslty and i will defeat them using JUST The Quran.
God willing.Peace.
The larger the pride, the bigger the fall. The Lord is not with those who do not restrain themselves in their thoughts, feelings and actions. Peace be upon you.
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The larger the pride, the bigger the fall. The Lord is not with those who do not restrain themselves in their thoughts, feelings and actions. Peace be upon you.
Pride may or may not be included. Yes, one can feel proud after exposing a hypocrite and a follower of falsehood. I guess it's natural but at the same time God doesn't like people who boast.
You know a lot of these imams and priests uphold satanic teachings (that originated from pagan areas like Greece) such as stoning adulterers, killing converters, undermining women and stripping them of their god-given status as well as pedophilia (since they even satanically admitted that having sex with prepubescent girls is ok. The fact they used the verse that has "and if they do not menstruate" in it to uphold his belief shows they're not only satanic but ignorant as well of the fact that there are grown women who don't menstruate for certain medical reasons), upon other false teachings.
And if I'm not mistaken...God supports the fight against falsehood and most definitely regards the Quran as a source of true confirmation of facts. The sunni's don't even use it half the time (they're too busy shoving hadith in your face just to prove these hadith are valid, by far the most idiotic method of debating) while of course misusing the Quran or ignorant of clear verses like 456, 6836-39 proving the 6 sunni books of hadith having nothing to do with God and his messenger.
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The larger the pride, the bigger the fall. The Lord is not with those who do not restrain themselves in their thoughts, feelings and actions. Peace be upon you.
Peace,
Respectfully.I wasn't being proud, i was just being honest.
I have had many conversations like this and pagans always run away from The Truth.
They always run away when i start quoting The Quran.
Though they seem to be experts in the hadeeth which are baseless.Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.I wasn't being proud, i was just being honest.
I have had many conversations like this and pagans always run away from The Truth.
They always run away when i start quoting The Quran.
Though they seem to be experts in the hadeeth which are baseless.Peace.
Keep up the good work Alen.
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I agree with Allan's intention. By just using the Quran you can defeat any hadith
bravo Yes! thats true!
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Let me remind everyone of the ayats (AGAIN) this repeated up to 60 times in the Quran
Whoever obeys the Prophet has indeed obeyed Allah
Obey Allah and obey the Messenger
All Please bear in mind that your website and principles are not widely known, otherwise you will have a lot more intelectual debate to counter your views, This has given at least one person the sense that they have defeated everything in sight with their Quran prowess
Please bear in mind that I am no scholar and am debating with you for the sake of Allah and may he guide us all.I at least am finding some common ground with some of you that if a hadith complements the Quran, you will accept it or the fact that the Quran is the litmus test for everything.
Meteroa
"Living in the West has nothing to do with why more than 80% of the people here follow the Quran alone."
Please advise where you are getting your numbers? i a have live in both Europe and US for quite a while and am only coming to know of your 'school of thought' online and few persons here and there in person, I dont think you will gain much traction because if you guys are wrong the consequence is very severe (hereafter) and most people remain fixed to what they know for this fear"Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139
Narrated Abdullah We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which GOD has made lawful for you." "
There are hadith in Bukhari and Muslim that out law 'Temporary marriages or 'Muta' such as
Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 527
Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib
On the day of Khaibar, ALLAH'S APOSTLE FORBADE THE MUT'A (I.E. TEMPORARY MARRIAGE) and the eating of donkey-meat.
Muslim, Book 21, Number 4763
'Ali b. Abi Talib reported that ALLAH'S MESSENGER (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM) FORBADE ON THE DAY OF KHAIBAR TEMPORARY MARRIAGE (MUTA' WITH WOMEN and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses
I cannot at this time explain why the first one approves it and these and many others forbid it, so I follow the ones that forbid it because its more in line with the quran, i am not arguing the point that the Quran is used to make the final decision
(But this is why its important to have scholars the years of study will allow for easy explanations based on Quran, other hadith, historical background..) if i didnt have internet, i will be suckered (or wiswassed by shaitan) to believe that Muhamad PBUH has authorized this and its legal to do so, which means he must be a liar or all hadith are false. what satan does here is protect himself of the infinite firepower avowed to a student of the prophet (knowledge you lose access to by rejecting all hadiths), if you just read the quran, he has less work to do to wisswass your understanding of the verses.Can you explain the above wondrous Hadith?
"EVERY SINGLE VERSE the sunni's use in their defense and in the defense of their bullshit sunna is easily shot down by other verses in the Quran."
The above ayats (at the top of this post), are enough to force any "Quran" follower to explore what exactly did the Prophet (PBUH) has taught (the hadith), what Allah has taught is the Quran, unless you are now changing to say the Quran came from the prophet."women here don't cover their hair, that men shave, that people spend their free times watching movies, listening to music and playing video games etc. While these so-called Muslims see these acts satanic"
Bear in mind that the Quran teaches that Satan is an avowed enemy to you,and the hadith that you hate so much prophesized what the begining of the last days will look like, All of what you mention above (except the beard which is another story) have satanic content in that you have wasted time "by the time Man is surely lost" this is one of Satans tools to waste your time instead of spending it in worship and good acts. the women covering the hair, as you know adultry and out of wedlock child birth is widespread in the west this plays into satans plan, the modesty of the woman is so key to protect the progeny, I am man by the way, men are a lot less self control for sexual deviancy than women, and God knows our weakness which is why the modesty, you can thank movies why YOU and I will be considered terrorist bloodsucking barbarians (even though you have divorced yourself from the hadith) if Muhamad (PBUH) said it I follow it 100% and i have spent a good amount of time around hadith, and because of what I learn from the hadith, I am a positive beneficial contributor to my surroundings in the west. these include (trustworthiness, responsibility,being considerate, patience, knowledge of the unseen, importance of knowledge and most importantly fear of Allah)"1. It is the only source God gives a shit about." I know it slang but could you be more respectful in your choice of wording when discussing an attribute of the almighty creator of you and me and all that surrounds us?
Allen
"Bring any and all "scholars" and imams and sheikhs and whoever you want and can, honeslty and i will defeat them using JUST The Quran."
I think its the other way round, the Quran is defeating your argument because its obstructing you to follow the prophet and if there are matters you disagree with ...
"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 459)"
Please explain what Allah means when he aks us to OBEY Muhamad (PBUH)?"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 459)"
A similar (favour have ye already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our Signs, and sanctifying you, and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom, and in new knowledge.
THis new knowledge is what you are all either rejecting or deeming completely lost (which contradicts the ayat in the Quran where Allah has said I have perfected your deen) -
Allen
"Bring any and all "scholars" and imams and sheikhs and whoever you want and can, honeslty and i will defeat them using JUST The Quran."
I think its the other way round, the Quran is defeating your argument because its obstructing you to follow the prophet and if there are matters you disagree with ...
"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 459)"
Please explain what Allah means when he aks us to OBEY Muhamad (PBUH)?I'm not sure I agree with you here. It seems to me it is the "scholars" and imams and sheikhs and whoever you want that are not obeying by choosing to follow hadiths instead of the Quran
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I just noticed that my quotations are not easily identified in the format of my previous post, I aplogize, i have highlighted in
Let me remind everyone of the ayats (AGAIN) this repeated up to 60 times in the QuranWhoever obeys the Prophet has indeed obeyed Allah
Obey Allah and obey the Messenger
All Please bear in mind that your website and principles are not widely known, otherwise you will have a lot more intelectual debate to counter your views, This has given at least one person the sense that they have defeated everything in sight with their Quran prowess
Please bear in mind that I am no scholar and am debating with you for the sake of Allah and may he guide us all.I at least am finding some common ground with some of you that if a hadith complements the Quran, you will accept it or the fact that the Quran is the litmus test for everything.
Meteroa
"Living in the West has nothing to do with why more than 80% of the people here follow the Quran alone."
Please advise where you are getting your numbers? i a have live in both Europe and US for quite a while and am only coming to know of your 'school of thought' online and few persons here and there in person, I dont think you will gain much traction because if you guys are wrong the consequence is very severe (hereafter) and most people remain fixed to what they know for this fear"Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139
Narrated Abdullah We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which GOD has made lawful for you." "
There are hadith in Bukhari and Muslim that out law 'Temporary marriages or 'Muta' such as
Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 527
Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib
On the day of Khaibar, ALLAH'S APOSTLE FORBADE THE MUT'A (I.E. TEMPORARY MARRIAGE) and the eating of donkey-meat.
Muslim, Book 21, Number 4763
'Ali b. Abi Talib reported that ALLAH'S MESSENGER (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM) FORBADE ON THE DAY OF KHAIBAR TEMPORARY MARRIAGE (MUTA' WITH WOMEN and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses
I cannot at this time explain why the first one approves it and these and many others forbid it, so I follow the ones that forbid it because its more in line with the quran, i am not arguing the point that the Quran is used to make the final decision
(But this is why its important to have scholars the years of study will allow for easy explanations based on Quran, other hadith, historical background..) if i didnt have internet, i will be suckered (or wiswassed by shaitan) to believe that Muhamad PBUH has authorized this and its legal to do so, which means he must be a liar or all hadith are false. what satan does here is protect himself of the infinite firepower avowed to a student of the prophet (knowledge you lose access to by rejecting all hadiths), if you just read the quran, he has less work to do to wisswass your understanding of the verses.Can you explain the above wondrous Hadith? sorry this is explained above
"EVERY SINGLE VERSE the sunni's use in their defense and in the defense of their bullshit sunna is easily shot down by other verses in the Quran."
The above ayats (at the top of this post), are enough to force any "Quran" follower to explore what exactly did the Prophet (PBUH) has taught (the hadith), what Allah has taught is the Quran, unless you are now changing to say the Quran came from the prophet."women here don't cover their hair, that men shave, that people spend their free times watching movies, listening to music and playing video games etc. While these so-called Muslims see these acts satanic"
Bear in mind that the Quran teaches that Satan is an avowed enemy to you,and the hadith that you hate so much prophesized what the begining of the last days will look like, All of what you mention above (except the beard which is another story) have satanic content in that you have wasted time "by the time Man is surely lost" this is one of Satans tools to waste your time instead of spending it in worship and good acts. the women covering the hair, as you know adultry and out of wedlock child birth is widespread in the west this plays into satans plan, the modesty of the woman is so key to protect the progeny, I am man by the way, men are a lot less self control for sexual deviancy than women, and God knows our weakness which is why the modesty, you can thank movies why YOU and I will be considered terrorist bloodsucking barbarians (even though you have divorced yourself from the hadith) if Muhamad (PBUH) said it I follow it 100% and i have spent a good amount of time around hadith, and because of what I learn from the hadith, I am a positive beneficial contributor to my surroundings in the west. these include (trustworthiness, responsibility,being considerate, patience, knowledge of the unseen, importance of knowledge and most importantly fear of Allah)"1. It is the only source God gives a shit about." I know it slang but could you be more respectful in your choice of wording when discussing an attribute of the almighty creator of you and me and all that surrounds us?
Allen
"Bring any and all "scholars" and imams and sheikhs and whoever you want and can, honeslty and i will defeat them using JUST The Quran."
I think its the other way round, the Quran is defeating your argument because its obstructing you to follow the prophet and if there are matters you disagree with ...
"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 459)"
Please explain what Allah means when he aks us to OBEY Muhamad (PBUH)?A similar (favour have ye already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our Signs, and sanctifying you, and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom, and in new knowledge.
THis new knowledge is what you are all either rejecting or deeming completely lost (which contradicts the ayat in the Quran where Allah has said I have perfected your deen) -
SOrry again everyone, yellow was not a good choice, ifyou highlight over the text with your mouse it will show as blue and less strain on the eyes.
Rev John For every muslim the duty to seek knowledge should begin with Duaa or prayer, asking God for guidance in this journey, not all scholars will be accurate and some will be downright treachorous. but with God's help, the knowledge will manifest it self in your life. the quran teaches that Satan will take many of Adam's progeny except those righteous ones that are steadfast in fear and worship of God. What this means that if one starts their day by praying to our creator, they will in due time find the proper guidance, even a fabricated hadith here or there or an incorrect rulling by a sheikh will not shake this foundation. it will only shake the foundations of someone that have fallen from this path (susceptable to Satan due to lapse or ceasing of Fear and worship of the creator).
everytime i came accross a hadith that was doubt causing, patience brought me to an answer or explanation.
THe Quran teaches that God is with the patient,
I know the folks in this form dont like hadiths used in examples (and I have been careful to use on ly quran sources for most points), but there is one where mohamed PBUH states that whoever lies upon the Prophet (s.a.w) should locate his place in hell
I state this hadith to explain that the people who collect hadith in the past were scared to death of probogating falsehood and made sure to check double check triple check... their sources. the scholarly due diligence of those days is almost maddening to think about.. another topic.. -
SOrry again everyone, yellow was not a good choice, ifyou highlight over the text with your mouse it will show as blue and less strain on the eyes.
Rev John For every muslim the duty to seek knowledge should begin with Duaa or prayer, asking God for guidance in this journey, not all scholars will be accurate and some will be downright treachorous. but with God's help, the knowledge will manifest it self in your life. the quran teaches that Satan will take many of Adam's progeny except those righteous ones that are steadfast in fear and worship of God. What this means that if one starts their day by praying to our creator, they will in due time find the proper guidance, even a fabricated hadith here or there or an incorrect rulling by a sheikh will not shake this foundation. it will only shake the foundations of someone that have fallen from this path (susceptable to Satan due to lapse or ceasing of Fear and worship of the creator).
everytime i came accross a hadith that was doubt causing, patience brought me to an answer or explanation.
THe Quran teaches that God is with the patient,
I know the folks in this form dont like hadiths used in examples (and I have been careful to use on ly quran sources for most points), but there is one where mohamed PBUH states that whoever lies upon the Prophet (s.a.w) should locate his place in hell
I state this hadith to explain that the people who collect hadith in the past were scared to death of probogating falsehood and made sure to check double check triple check... their sources. the scholarly due diligence of those days is almost maddening to think about.. another topic..But didn't the Prophet Muhammad say that you only need the Quran? If so, then why the hadiths?
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But didn't the Prophet Muhammad say that you only need the Quran? If so, then why the hadiths?
thats a contradiction in hadith!
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thats a contradiction in hadith!
Rev John, are quoting a Hadith? if so you have come to my domain, which is following the Quran, which tells you to obey the prophet, which has told you to do things which include heavy inphasis on seeking knowledge, these are hadiths, seeking knowledge brings you to explaination as to weak hadiths, explanation of hadith and in some cases rejection of hadiths.
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sorry to clarify my previous point, Obeying the prophet is difficult without knowing what he said, which is why we have hadiths.
he taught at many instances the importance of scholarly due diligence, prayer and patience. this combination will guide through the weak, strong, seemlingly contradictory hadiths. If hadiths are complete rubish , Allah will expose them as so, but the interconnected nature of hadith to Quran shows otherwise (overwelmingly) which is why with my very weak background I am confident to debate the 'Quran only' position and Alhamdulilah Allah is showing the cracked platform on which its based. -
Peace,
Respectfully.I think and believe that because The West contains more Freedom, Peace, Justice, equality and LOVE then the Mid-East ever anywhere.
Ther eare more opne-minded people in the USA and Europe in one square kilometer then in the all Mi-East, the way i see it, right?
Just think of this i pray with my hands to my sides in public. When sunnis see this, they just walk pass me, they cannot kill me because i live in UK, Thnk God.
If i prayed like this in Afghanistan or KSA or Sudan, what would happen? Would anyone even know where to look for my corpse?Peace.
why do you fear Sunni for? is it because they are right? and you knew they have the facts to prove you wrong. Just remember you are in this world for a short period of time, the hereafter is your final destination. the West may provide you with all you desire but were you are being provided all this your countries army is killing innocent Muslims. how can you justify that? Being Sunni,whabbi or shia we all believe in Allah so why do you have such a problem with Sunni?
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6159 Those who have divided their system and become sects, you are
not with them in anything. Their matter will be with God, then
He will inform them of what they had done.72 A Book that has been sent down to you, so let there not be any
burden in your chest from it, that you may warn with it; and a
reminder to the believers.752 And We have come to them with a Book which We have detailed
with knowledge; a guidance and a mercy to those who believe.7196 ?My supporter is God who sent down the Book; and He takes
care of the righteous.?1036 Most of them only follow conjecture. While conjecture does not
avail against the truth in anything. God is aware of what they do.1094 If you are in doubt regarding what We have sent down to you,
then ask those who have been reading the Book from before you.
The truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be of those
who doubt.1117 For those who are on a clarity from their Lord, and are followed
by a testimony from Him; and before it was the Book of Moses, a
beacon and a mercy; they will believe in it. And whoever rejects it
from among the parties, then the Fire is his meeting place. So do
not be in any doubt about it. It is the truth from your Lord, but
most of the people do not believe.131 ALMR, these are the signs of the Book. And what has been sent
down to you from your Lord is the truth; but most of the people
do not believe.1338 And We have sent messengers before you and We have made for
them mates and offspring. It was not for a messenger to come
with any sign except with the permission of God; for each period
there is a Book.141 ALR, a Book which We have sent down to you so that you may
bring the people out of the darkness and into the light with
the permission of their Lord, to the path of the Noble, the
Praiseworthy.151 ALR, these are the signs of the Book, and a clear Recitation.
1664 And We did not send down the Book to you except that you may
clarify for them that in which they disputed, and as a guidance
and a mercy for a people who believe.1689 And the Day We send to every nation a witness against them from
themselves, and We have brought you as a witness against these.
And We have sent down to you the Book as a clarification for all
things, and a guide and mercy and good tidings to those who have
submitted.181 Praise to God who sent down the Book to His servant, and He did
not make in it any crookedness.228 And from the people are those who argue regarding God with no
knowledge nor guidance nor enlightening Book.271 T?S, these are the signs of the Recitation and a clear Book.
2849 Say ?Then bring forth a book from God that is better in guidance
so I may follow it, if you are truthful.?2945 Convey what is inspired to you of the Book, and hold the
outreaching, for the outreaching prohibits evil and vice; but
certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows
everything you do.322 The sending down of this Book, without a doubt, from Lord of
the worlds.3829 A Book that We have sent down to you, that is blessed, so that
they may reflect upon its revelations, and so that those with
intelligence will take heed.393 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies
besides Him ?We only serve them so that they may bring us closer
to God.? God will judge between them in what they dispute. For
God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.3923 God has sent down the best narrative, a Book that is similar with
two paths. The skins of those who are concerned towards their
Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to
the remembrance of God. Such is the guidance of God; He guides
with it whoever He wills. And for whoever God misguides, then
none can guide him.3941 We have sent down to you the Book for the people with the truth.
Then, whoever is guided is guided for himself, and whoever goes
astray goes astray to his own loss. And you are not a keeper over
them.4070 Those who deny the Book, and what We have sent Our messengers
with. Therefore, they will come to know.413 A Book whose revelations are detailed, a recitation in Arabic for a
people who know.4252 And thus, We inspired to you a revelation of Our command. You
did not know what was the Book, nor what was faith. Yet, We
made this a light to guide whoever We wish from among Our
servants. Surely, you guide to a straight path.A message to everyone, whether you use Quran + ahadith or just Quran or Bible or Torah those who will be guided by God will be guided, and those who God does not guide then there is nothing we can do. Our ultimate goal is to reach righteousness, may God guide us in that search because no man can teach someone to be righteous in my opinion. Our main aim should not be preoccupied by rituals but what we can do to better ourselves and then help others with needs.
Today we have a divided religion, why did this happen? We took our eye off the Quran and started to divide because we listen to advice other than the Quran.
Today muslim owned land has the riches resources in the world? Who controls the World? Or shall I put it in another way, if we were not so divided Imagine an ISLAMIC nation with over 1 billion people.
Maybe one day it will happen!
May God guide us to the correct system.
Hope