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    Alen
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    Night (layl) starts at sunset. This has been discussed so many times already. Use the search function.
    Peace,
    have a nice and blessed Ramadan

    Peace,
    Respectfully.

    Yes, i know, i was just discussing it with few other sunnis and one guy who accepted Islam two years ago but cannot make up his mind what to follow - The Quran or hadith.

    Night (Layl) starts at sunset, yes, but in The Quran, as i have quoted few moments ago, it says

    ....And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; ....

    Right? Until Layl, not until the start of the layl. Correct?
    happy ramadhan and wonderful fast all.
    Peace.

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      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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      Peace,
      Respectfully.

      Yes, i know, i was just discussing it with few other sunnis and one guy who accepted Islam two years ago but cannot make up his mind what to follow - The Quran or hadith.

      Night (Layl) starts at sunset, yes, but in The Quran, as i have quoted few moments ago, it says

      ....And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; ....

      Right? Until Layl, not until the start of the layl. Correct?
      happy ramadhan and wonderful fast all.
      Peace.

      If I tell you to run until you have crossed the finish line, do you run across the finish line AND THEN continue another 200 meters? Similarly, when God says fast UNTIL the night (which starts at sunset) he means that we should fast UNTIL the night, and not wait until it is fully dark/fast untill half of the night has passed. BTW, in 1778 the phrase/term "ghasq al layl" is used - if layl would be already understood as the period of the day (24 hours) when it is fully dark, then why is "ghasaq" (darkness) used? The phrase "darkness of the night" would be useless if night would be the time of the day (24 hours) where it is completely dark. Hope you understood.

      Peace

      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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        If I tell you to run until you have crossed the finish line, do you run across the finish line AND THEN continue another 200 meters? Similarly, when God says fast UNTIL the night (which starts at sunset) he means that we should fast UNTIL the night, and not wait until it is fully dark/fast untill half of the night has passed. BTW, in 1778 the phrase/term "ghasq al layl" is used - if layl would be already understood as the period of the day (24 hours) when it is fully dark, then why is "ghasaq" (darkness) used? The phrase "darkness of the night" would be useless if night would be the time of the day (24 hours) where it is completely dark. Hope you understood.

        Peace

        laugh

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          Ahmad_Bilal
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          BTW, in 1778 the phrase/term "ghasq al layl" is used - if layl would be already understood as the period of the day (24 hours) when it is fully dark, then why is "ghasaq" (darkness) used? The phrase "darkness of the night" would be useless if night would be the time of the day (24 hours) where it is completely dark.

          You've definately got a point here... yes

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            farida
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            http//www.gaisma.com/en/location/london.html

            Date Sunset Dawn
            Today 2006 0522
            +1 day 2004 0524

            Salaam,
            This is not correct as at 05.22 it was too bright to call it until dawn, I could see the emerging sun rays on the sky. nope
            peace

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              herbman
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              Peace,
              Respectfully.

              Yes, i know, i was just discussing it with few other sunnis and one guy who accepted Islam two years ago but cannot make up his mind what to follow - The Quran or hadith.

              Night (Layl) starts at sunset, yes, but in The Quran, as i have quoted few moments ago, it says

              ....And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; ....

              Right? Until Layl, not until the start of the layl. Correct?
              happy ramadhan and wonderful fast all.
              Peace.

              Peace Alen,

              here is definition of layl as per quran

              3637

              Yusuf Ali

              And a Sign for them is the Night We withdraw therefrom the Day, and behold they are plunged in darkness;

              Siin-Lam-Kha = to flay, pluck off, withdraw, strip off.

              Layl/Night doesn't mean total obscurity. Night must have some light to strip away, thus this excludes pitch black as "layl", leaving only one possibility pitch black + the two twilight periods.

              Peace

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                hope4
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                Peace Alen,

                here is definition of layl as per quran

                3637

                Yusuf Ali

                And a Sign for them is the Night We withdraw therefrom the Day, and behold they are plunged in darkness;

                Siin-Lam-Kha = to flay, pluck off, withdraw, strip off.

                Layl/Night doesn't mean total obscurity. Night must have some light to strip away, thus this excludes pitch black as "layl", leaving only one possibility pitch black + the two twilight periods.

                Peace

                Thanks for that Herbman

                Makes sense to me now.

                Peace

                Hope

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                  Ibrahim-Khalil
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                  http//fc09.deviantart.com/fs32/i/2008/197/a/9/___Ramadan_Mubarak_10____by_kchemnad.jpg

                  Anybody knows what "Ramadan Kareem" means

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                    UmAlawi
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                    Peace

                    I believe "Ramadan Kareem" means Happy Ramadan
                    or
                    more literally Holy Ramadan

                    Sometimes People say "Ramadan Mubarek"
                    Which is also a way of wishing someone a blessed / nice / happy Ramadan, to the best of my knowledge

                    Peace

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                      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                      #104

                      Why do you feel strongest then? Do you mean spiritually or physically?

                      When you undereat/fast during the day, your SNS (sympathetic nervous system) kicks in and you become alert and feel like you're full of energy. On the other hand, if you eat too much (or eat like a 'normal person&#039 during the day, you will shut down the SNS and instead will activate the PSNS (parasympathetic nervous system). The SNS is automatically activated during the day to help your body cope with stress and to stay alert, and the PSNS is automatically activated during the night, which helps your body relax, digest and obtain the nutrients of the food you eat better. The growth hormone is at a peak during the night, that's why it's good to overeat at that time.

                      Your body also has the cahnce to detoxify during the fast at daytime.

                      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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