Who made God?
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The first (western) ontological argument was created by St Anselm (although he is not the only philosopher to have offered such a argument, and some earlier Muslim philosophers formulated similar arguments), who is also considered the father of the Scholastic tradition. Anselm's argument is the most famous of the ontological arguments (although it has its problems). Kurt G?del offered something like Anselm's argument, and his version is very interesting. His version is created on the firm ground of modal-logic. But in order to avoid confusion, I will deal only with Anselm's argument (which was the first western presentation of the argument, and is the argument mostly in mind when the ontological argument is made reference to). First let me state a basic family resemblance (to use Wittgenstein's words) between all ontological arguments. These arguments try to prove God's existence by purely a priori means. In other words, these arguments utilize only reason. In explaining Anselm's argument I will ignore the debate surrounding what the argument was really meant to do. Many think that the account givin of Anselm's argument in traditional books on the history of philosophy are wrong. I will not discuss these unconventional views of what Anselm meant (again) to avoid confusion, not because the traditional account of what Anselm meant is right. Now to the ontological argument. Here is the argument of Anselm.
"Thus even the fool is convinced that something than which nothing greater can be conceived is in the understanding, since when he hears this, he understands it; and whatever is understood is in the understanding. And certainly that than which a greater cannot be conceived cannot be in the understanding alone. For if it is even in the understanding alone, it can be conceived to exist in reality also, which is greater. Thus if that than which a greater cannot be conceived is in the understanding alone, then that than which a greater cannot be conceived is itself that than which a greater can be conceived. But surely this cannot be. Thus without doubt something than which a greater cannot be conceived exists, both in the understanding and in reality."
The argument is ingenious. But there is something wrong about it. And opinon is very divided on what exactly is wrong. Kant criticised the argument with his notion of existence as a "linguistic predicate" not a "real predicate". Anyway one chooses to attack (or defend) Anselm's version of the ontological argument, something is wrong with it. But a stronger version of Anselm's argument can be found. The philosopher Norman Malcom has pointed out that in the Proslagion Anselm argued that if a necessary being could exist, then it must exist, because it is a contradiction to assert that a necessary being does not exist. This variant of Anselm's version of the ontological argument (although still fishy) escapes many of the attacks that the more well known version has recieved. I have presented the oldest ontological argument (even though it is one of the weakest) to (another "again" avoid confusion. Much more convincing ontological arguments are out there like the modern ones formulated by G?del, Alvin Plantinga, Norman Malcom, Oppenheimer and Zalta, Hawthorne and a few others. But these arguments are still problematic.
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As a born again christian myself God was always there from the beginning. God is Spirit and created everything. He is My Heavenly Father, who loves His kids and is patience not wanting anyone to perish. God's name is Jahovah, and He has other names like Yahweh. God wants a relationship with us but we are all sinners and none of us can get to Heaven by ourselfs as sin will not enter Heaven. This is where Jesus comes in as Saviour having hung on a tree for our transgressions. For God so loved the world He gave His one and only Begotton Son that who shalt ever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God bless you mate. and may the peace of God be with you and fill you with His love. Leanne Thanks for the article.
I think the cause of my questioning comes from my personal relationship with God. Almost like treating God as a human being. Christians believe Jesus is God. Maybe this makes it easier for them to believe in God. Even in the Quran, God has personal qualities. He is compassionate of us. He forgives us. He sees us. He hears us. It does not mean He needs ears or eyes. He does not need a physical body. He isn't dependent on anything, including creation and time and space.
I think if I start to view God other than personal, it will help me understand Him better.
God bless
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As a born again christian myself God was always there from the beginning. God is Spirit and created everything. He is My Heavenly Father, who loves His kids and is patience not wanting anyone to perish. God's name is Jahovah, and He has other names like Yahweh. God wants a relationship with us but we are all sinners and none of us can get to Heaven by ourselfs as sin will not enter Heaven. This is where Jesus comes in as Saviour having hung on a tree for our transgressions. For God so loved the world He gave His one and only Begotton Son that who shalt ever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God bless you mate. and may the peace of God be with you and fill you with His love. Leanne Thanks for the article.
I think the cause of my questioning comes from my personal relationship with God. Almost like treating God as a human being. Christians believe Jesus is God. Maybe this makes it easier for them to believe in God. Even in the Quran, God has personal qualities. He is compassionate of us. He forgives us. He sees us. He hears us. It does not mean He needs ears or eyes. He does not need a physical body. He isn't dependent on anything, including creation and time and space.
I think if I start to view God other than personal, it will help me understand Him better.
God bless
Peace,
you should watch this video http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP9pl1558pc&feature=related
his accent might seem a bit hard to undersand, but it shouldnt be a problem -
hi mate it is Leanne how are you? hey we are living in the last days now before Yeshua returns. things are getting harder mate it really is. satan is trying to rear his ugly head in tempting us away from God. satan is a defeted foe and was defeted when Jesus died and having God raise His Precious Son to Life. satan knows his end is near yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee man I cannot wait until he is thrown into the lake of fire awsome. oh every knee will bow to the King of kings and Lord of lords and to have satan do that hahahahahhahahahahhh. lol I just want to let you guys know that your not alone in your struggles with sin and life. God is with you and I am here to encourage you too and I can get some encouragement ofyou guys too. we all have to hang on. life is getting worse and wow people are more horrible these days. end times brothers and sisters. Jesus said let your heats not be troubled. He said peace I leave with you not as the world gives it as I give it. The Alpha and the Omega the First and the Last, oh yes everyone let us come together to Worship the One who is Worthy, Jesus who went though all the pain for us so we can be reconsiled back to the Father since the fall of adam and eve who sinned in the garden. oh brothers and sisters please let us encorage one another in these last days we are all going to need it. God bless you all and remember you are all precious to the Lord and to me. Leanne
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I see the proofs of God everwhere I look and in the miracle of the Quran.
But there there are still parts of me questioning God's existence no matter how much I believe in Him. I just can't help it.
If God created us, then who created God?
Did God just sit there on His own doing nothing in silence then decided to create us?
Who made God as God?I wouldn't dare ask these questions anywhere else &
God, Allah, force or whatever you may call Him, could create us in a state where there would have been NO TIme, No Place and he could create us in a state where no one would have known or used the word such as where, when, who. I hope you understand.
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I see the proofs of God everwhere I look and in the miracle of the Quran.
But there there are still parts of me questioning God's existence no matter how much I believe in Him. I just can't help it.
If God created us, then who created God?
Did God just sit there on His own doing nothing in silence then decided to create us?
Who made God as God?I wouldn't dare ask these questions anywhere else &
I thougt the quran says "there is no god............" ?
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peace
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I'm sure it doesn't
Almost every single verse says that there is a GOD indirectly!
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Almost every single verse says that there is a GOD indirectly!
and there is a God directly too. one of my friends say we shouldn't write God instead write Allah because if you see GOD in the mirror it would become DOG?
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and there is a God directly too. one of my friends say we shouldn't write God instead write Allah because if you see GOD in the mirror it would become DOG?
rotfl so what? Its the mirror's fault! rotfl
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Actually you wouldn't see DOG as the "D" and "G" would be reversed so would no longer be a "D" or "G"
thats true too! LMAO rotfl
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Actually you wouldn't see DOG as the "D" and "G" would be reversed so would no longer be a "D" or "G"
but why the letters are the same for both GOD and DOG?
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Anarchy, Baby.
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???
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I'm sure it doesn't
I think it says
"There is no god but Allah"
What is Allah?
"visible state of relationship" or something according to Omars dictionary p28- i think.
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I think it says
"There is no god but Allah"
What is Allah?
2435 Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth...
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I see the proofs of God everwhere I look and in the miracle of the Quran.
But there there are still parts of me questioning God's existence no matter how much I believe in Him. I just can't help it.
If God created us, then who created God?
Did God just sit there on His own doing nothing in silence then decided to create us?
Who made God as God?I wouldn't dare ask these questions anywhere else &
God always existed buddy. It's not a hard concept. This by the way is one of the reasons that I believe Quran+something else is freaking blasphemy. People can never comprehend how great God is and how great his system is. People find it O-K to think some dude named Imam bin blablablah was endowed with some of the best knowledge ever and knew specifics about religion that isn't found in the Quran.