The Skeptic Annotated Qur'an! (Please Help!!)
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Ok but remember you are an individual and what you are isn't what your family is unless you choose to be that.
I swim in public not all people like it but i'm not here to please people. besides you can buy 'modest' swimwear. People differ in opinions that's normal.
is that photo of you? in your avatar, your showing your face that's skin, do you think you're bad.. come on be reasonable Quran doesn't say cover your skin.
Who said crushes are bad, it's normal to feel attracted or to like someone. Lowering the gaze doesn't mean it's forbidden to like someone.
Anyway i think your sharing your frustration with practices and ideas that aren't purely Quranic.
if you hate bogus chanting why should we pray for you P prayer is supposed to have meaning not just some chant
p.s i hope you will be guided to the right path
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If I was religious I'd pray for you.
But I think that what you could do is decide upon rejecting or accepting hadiths before taking a look at these contradictions and whether you should reject or accept the Quran as what you seem to want to see it as, a divine book I guess.
And even if you dismess the Quran, or even Islamic faith, it doesn't mean that you have to abondon spirituality or the idea of a God completely.
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if you hate bogus chanting why should we pray for you P prayer is supposed to have meaning not just some chant
Cause prayer is something personal, and it comes from within without any restrictions. That's a lot different from a ritual prayer where there's more focus on the physical actions and the words you chant were already pre-planned.
I don't disagree with praying, even the traditional Salah is a beautiful thing to help you calm down and quieten yourself as is kneeling down at a church are walking around a Hindu temple. I'm just confused that it's imposed and that we'll be punished (and according to some, out of the religion) if you omit it.
Anyways, Sarah, I'm just curious- what do you wear when you go swimming? D
I'd love to do these kinds of things, I'd love to skii, try out beach activities, try out at a fashion shows, sing and all sorts of stuff. I don't understand why religion should get in the way... (
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CG,
During my years of study I have read many many so-called discrepancies/errors/contradictions/etc. and never found any to be a clear problem. What I find handy in these situations is to gather the 5 strongest problems regarding The Quran that you can, then research them. It is likely they have been answered on the internet somewhere. If not, feel free to post them here. Personally, I will not answer them until I know the questioner, i.e. you, has put in the work to find the answer themselves first.
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Yes prayer is something personal, so is living life. well some people can argue over petty things but it's important to look at what Quran tells us if that is what we believe in. Part of salat's purpose is remembering God (2014) and if we can't maintain that component in prayer then i guess that salat isn't much of a useful salat.
People have theories on salat, you should research about it. Like i said its better to know "why" than to just "do". i think it's more important for you to understand your own beliefs before trying to work out other opinions, otherwise it'll leave you confused.(in my opinion)
I swim in clothes even the traditional hijab, i haven't had anyone personally object to me about my actions/clothing or doings in the water. There is swimwear that i could buy but it's too expensive so i just swim in an extra pair of clothes, pants and a top and a scarf. if i didn't wear a scarf i'd prob wear board shorts and a rashie shirt those lyrca swimwear tshirts.
What's stopping you from skiing? why would religion stop that? seriously i don't understand that, you can try all those you said i don't see how religion is getting in the way of them.
As Wakas suggested you should study and research what you're not sure about. It's no good accepting other peoples statements without looking into them. i used to agree with people then i would think but some things don't add up.. it's better to know for yourself than have someone preach their ideologies
BTW welcome to the forum
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CG,
During my years of study I have read many many so-called discrepancies/errors/contradictions/etc. and never found any to be a clear problem.
See, the problem is that they exist. We uphold the Qur'an to be the word of God because we believe it's a perfect book free from all "discrepancies/errors/contradictions/etc.". Whether they're really discrepancies or not, the point is at face values, their clear contradictions. I mean, we can twist anything to mean what we want them to mean, even Hadith- and that's how Sunnis advocate their Hadith.
It may sound far-fetched, but I'm just waiting for one really clever person to come here with an answer that wipes out all the attacks websites like Skeptics Annotated Quran and Answering-Islam make on Islam.
And Sister Sarah, Thanks a lot I'm excited to learn from all of you ! handshake
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It may sound far-fetched, but I'm just waiting for one really clever person to come here with an answer that wipes out all the attacks websites like Skeptics Annotated Quran and Answering-Islam make on Islam.
Yes, that is one method..... to wait for someone else to do the work.
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See, the problem is that they exist. We uphold the Qur'an to be the word of God because we believe it's a perfect book free from all "discrepancies/errors/contradictions/etc.". Whether they're really discrepancies or not, the point is at face values, their clear contradictions. I mean, we can twist anything to mean what we want them to mean, even Hadith- and that's how Sunnis advocate their Hadith.
It may sound far-fetched, but I'm just waiting for one really clever person to come here with an answer that wipes out all the attacks websites like Skeptics Annotated Quran and Answering-Islam make on Islam.
And Sister Sarah, Thanks a lot D I'm excited to learn from all of you ! handshake
Np, you can learn from yourself also
Interesting point you made, i thought i'd bring something to your attention. You can try sugar coating something but truth will prevail, well so i believe. So all those who try to twist hadiths to make them mean what they want well we know that's just them bending rules. Besides the contradiction still lays there even with the twisting.
In terms of those sites, really have you even tried to argue just one point they got. Alot of them are just picking and choosing verses without considering context. i could make a scientific fact look contradictory by doing that! Another thing to note is how they conclude their interpretations.
It's easy to accept any statement blindly but it holds no true value until you see for yourself.
Yes, that is one method..... to wait for someone else to do the work.
The perfect method, you cook for me and i'll eat it all when you die i'll need a new chef P
Though seriously Crimson_Glow, we're all on the same boat pretty much. let's rely on ourselves inshallah through study and seek help in things we aren't aware of, not the whole basis of our belief.
Before you doubt your own beleifs, know what it is. Then see if it fits with your ideologies of living or not.
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Yes, that is one method..... to wait for someone else to do the work.
Believe me, I'm not kidding, I've tried to do the work myself for years now (as a naive, brainwashed kid). I just found myself going in circles! of course, I'm still on the path to increasing my knowledge and wisdom but I would really like to consider the conclusions and opinions of someone who has studied before me and is more knowledgeable than me (It's actually pretty scary to see to what degree people can be more knowledgeable than us). That's a big part of the learning process, we learn from each other.
And anyway, you guys can call me Yamna ;D
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I'm a born Muslim and I've believed in the Qur'an my whole life but I recently came across "The Skeptic Annotated Qur'an" which just f**ked me over. This website really gave me the creeps and I really don't know what to say. They have so many powerful arguments, not just one or two to be interpreted differently. They list out numerous contradictions and absurdities in the Qur'an which forms just a very long list. It pretty much goes against the Islamic claim that the Qur'an is free from contradictions (and even paradoxes) and that it is completely compatible with science.
I tried searching for answers that refuted these Skeptics but I couldn't find anything. This has been nagging at the back of my head for a long time. I really haven't lost faith in my religion and in my book, but that's simply because I'm too afraid to and because of my instincts. I hope someone will clear this up for me!
Life itself contains many contradictions and absurdities and much we do not understand yet we live it, do we really understand it? No, but we accept that it is here even though we cannot prove it, we accept the contradictions and say "well, that's life" but do we lose faith in life? No, because we believe we are here and alive. Don't lose faith in your religion or God just because someone else's opinion seems to contradict it, it is their opinion not fact. God is the only one with the true answers.
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I'm a born Muslim and I've believed in the Qur'an my whole life but I recently came across "The Skeptic Annotated Qur'an" which just f**ked me over. This website really gave me the creeps and I really don't know what to say. They have so many powerful arguments, not just one or two to be interpreted differently. They list out numerous contradictions and absurdities in the Qur'an which forms just a very long list. It pretty much goes against the Islamic claim that the Qur'an is free from contradictions (and even paradoxes) and that it is completely compatible with science.
I tried searching for answers that refuted these Skeptics but I couldn't find anything. This has been nagging at the back of my head for a long time. I really haven't lost faith in my religion and in my book, but that's simply because I'm too afraid to and because of my instincts. I hope someone will clear this up for me!
I have suffered from this too, but I found that there is no worthy alternative. The Quran, though absurd, is the most logical in its outlook of life.
I don't know whats the point of being a deist, agnostic or an atheist.
Peace.
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I have suffered from this too, but I found that there is no worthy alternative. The Quran, though absurd, is the most logical in its outlook of life.
I don't know what the point of being a deist, agnostic or an atheist.
Peace.
I don't think there is a point, it's just how it is.
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There are no contradictions, only our lack of understanding. For instance, if I explained to you how something works but you didn't understand would your lack of understanding make it untrue or contradictory? Of course not therefore if the person contradicting dosen't have a clue and you are confused initially then you would become either more confused or doubtful.
Peace
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Why don't you just post the verses that you feel are absurd or contradictory one by one and see if anyone can clarify them for you, i am sure they would love to help. peace
