Prophet Muhammeds literacy
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also check 255 'And they said ?Fictional tales of old! He wrote them down while they were being dictated to him morning and evening.?'
Another evidence from the Quran that shows Muhammad could write... in Arabic..
But not Hebrew, Greek or modern-day English..
He was illiterate in Hebrew, Greek and modern-day English.Salam / Peace
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Muhammad's freaking first command was read. How, then, in the hell, can he be illiterate? That's like God commanding him to Say! (which he commanded him many, many times to do in the Quran, hence by the way the OBEDIENCE to the messenger) when he's a mute. Stupid as hell, right? Because it is. Hope that cleared it up.
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peace
Just to clarify, i think a book in the quran isn't actualy a paper back/ manual- sorry as most people do understand that.
My two cents worth.
When an ordinery person suddenly starts preaching law and order its unusual/ new.
But if a person has been doing it for a long time then its nothing extra ordinery- right? in which case people can doubt as being devine intervention!
And he did claim to suddenly recieving devine orders which indeed did benefit everyone , and so there aught not to be the intervention of any doubters.
What is so difficult about being able to read or recite a book by any one.
lets see the following two ordinery translations.
Wama kunta tatloo min qablihi min kitabinwala takhuttuhu biyameenika ithan lairtabaalmubtiloona
Yousuf Ali And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.
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Waalmuhsanatu mina alnnisa-iilla ma malakat aymanukum kitaba AllahiAAalaykum waohilla lakum ma waraa thalikuman tabtaghoo bi-amwalikum muhsineena ghayra musafiheenafama istamtaAAtum bihi minhunna faatoohunnaojoorahunna fareedatan wala junaha AAalaykumfeema taradaytum bihi min baAAdi alfareedatiinna Allaha kana AAaleeman hakeemanYousuf Ali Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
So should be something like;
And thou wast not reciting ordained (prohibitions) before this , nor wert thou enforcing them with thy right hand In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.
just my understanding though peace
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^so you agree he wasn't illiterate during the time of the revelation of the Quran? I hope so because the very first verse revealed (961) gives testimony that Muhammad was anything but illiterate. Sunni's live in a fantasy world though, and are looking forward to another that doesn't exist.
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I have extensive discussion on this issue in 19 Questions for Muslims Scholars and in the introduction of the Quran a Reformist Translation.
I think that the claim of illiteracy of Muhammad was made up with good intentions decades after Muhammad departed the fabricators wished to make the "literary miracle" of the Quran even more astounding by lowering Muhammad's intelligence quote. Furthermore, they even claimed that he continued to remain illiterate until his death. So, according to these storytellers, their idol was EITHER an idiot or a fraud. An idiot, since according to them he could not recognize the 28 Arabic letters while dictating a book for 23 years. Yes, the one who received a book that contains the instructions READ and WRITE was still unable to recognize the 28 letters in 23 years! If he was intelligent then he should have been an impostor, since he must have acted like an illiterate to fool people. Either way, it is a great insult to the intelligence or the intention of the great role model.
Besides, those sunnies and shiites who mimic every trivial thing allegedly experienced by Muhammad, such as growing one's beard and wearing green color, etc., should immediately start following his model of illiteracy. Illiteracy, according to them is Sunna!
Peace,
Edip -
Besides, those sunnies and shiites who mimic every trivial thing allegedly experienced by Muhammad, such as growing one's beard and wearing green color, etc., should immediately start following his model of illiteracy. Illiteracy, according to them is Sunna!
Peace,
EdipPeace,
Respectfully.I think and believe they should accept Islam, follow The Quran and ditch the "sahih" hadeeth books by Bukhary and Muslim. They should also shave, get dressed according to Time, lose plenty of weight, respect and LOVE their wives, as they should be loved, stop making babies to outnumber Christians and stop terrorising my favourite places in the world, i'm busy these days,lol.
Peace.
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A Read this!
M I can't read!
A Read.. this!!
M I can't! the script is strange !!
A Let me see.. oops.. sorry my mistake.. that was for the japanese messenger..
Now read this! This one is in arabic...
M Yes now I can read!Salam / Peace
rotfl LOL Good one! rotfl
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Peace,
Respectfully.I think and believe they should accept Islam, follow The Quran and ditch the "sahih" hadeeth books by Bukhary and Muslim. They should also shave, get dressed according to Time, lose plenty of weight, respect and LOVE their wives, as they should be loved, stop making babies to outnumber Christians and stop terrorising my favourite places in the world, i'm busy these days,lol.
Peace.
Well said Alen bravo
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Peace,
Respectfully.I think and believe they should accept Islam, follow The Quran and ditch the "sahih" hadeeth books by Bukhary and Muslim. They should also shave, get dressed according to Time, lose plenty of weight, respect and LOVE their wives, as they should be loved, stop making babies to outnumber Christians and stop terrorising my favourite places in the world, i'm busy these days,lol.
Peace.
The day they do that is the all the day people in congress decide to grow beards, where turbans, use 'miswaks' instead of toothbrushes, wear sandals and shout ALLAHU AKBAR! at meetings.
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The day they do that is the all the day people in congress decide to grow beards, where turbans, use 'miswaks' instead of toothbrushes, wear sandals and shout ALLAHU AKBAR! at meetings.
Peace,
Respectfully.I know, maybe on September, 31st, 2012 it will happen,
But there is one thing i wish for The Congress - i wish, hope and pray that some Muslims from this forum (US-born citizens) become senators and later even the president, God willing.I'd love to see the US president to be a woman. A black woman. A black, Muslim woman. Tall, long hair and little similar to Angela Bassett. She looks tough.
Peace.
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I want to see Ayman, Supernaut, progressive, Samia, Rami, Layth, Edip and future Munzir yay etc. become leaders of the whole world. People would be singing happy songs and holding hands during dawn time. bravo handshake
Oh and how can I forget SARAH?! She's awesome!
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I want to see Ayman, Supernaut, progressive, Samia, Rami, Layth, Edip and future Munzir yay etc. become leaders of the whole world. People would be singing happy songs and holding hands during dawn time. bravo handshake
Oh and how can I forget SARAH?! She's awesome!
why do you mean future? I am capable. I will be president of maldives and protect my country's white sandy beaches from sea level rise GW
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Peace,
Respectfully.I know, maybe on September, 31st, 2012 it will happen, D
But there is one thing i wish for The Congress - i wish, hope and pray that some Muslims from this forum (US-born citizens) become senators and later even the president, God willing.I'd love to see the US president to be a woman. A black woman. A black, Muslim woman. Tall, long hair and little similar to Angela Bassett. She looks tough.
Peace.
I wish alen to be a sucessful movie director, writer and producer! pr @ later become president of his country
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I want to see Ayman, Supernaut, progressive, Samia, Rami, Layth, Edip and future Munzir yay etc. become leaders of the whole world. People would be singing happy songs and holding hands during dawn time. bravo handshake
Oh and how can I forget SARAH?! She's awesome!
@ I wanna see you become president too!
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Alen lives in the UK, there is no president there, but he can become Prime Minister
yes, prime minister!
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ok P i just couldn't imagine 13 year old president but i believe in you handshake just don't run me over!
I wont! LOL! I'm turning 14 in 1.5 months