Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Farida, all
No one is obliged to do anything.
No one is putting a gun to anyone's temple and saying do so , or think so.
It's all in our heads, mental filters, so dug in that we have great difficulties
being open to dialogue.
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Storm in a tea cup I say... lol
rotfl
PeaceSalaam,
Of course there is no compulsion in religion.
As for the blind, they can witness ramadan as any blind will do, through the other senses
Allah has given them (they can ask the question, they can feel the heat, they can read the news in braille... etc)
So if they wish to fast they can, and they can witness it too, though not visually as most of us do not by the way as we
really on others or other means anywaysExactly but Ayman theory excludes all those who have not literally seen the scorching moon so if its cloudy no fasting, if you happen to be indoor while SS moon was out there ..No Fasting
However if a toddler happens to physically witness than technically he is suppose to fast rotflAlso ) Ayamn ...Reply #229 on September 07, 2008 Page 16
If you are nearer to the tropic of cancer then the scorching full moon would be with the northern hemisphere. If you are nearer to the tropic of capricon then the scorching full moon would be with the southern hemisphere. I think that if you are exactly on the equator then you have the choice to fast either with the northern or the southern hemispheres rotfl rotfl rotfl
For more funny ideas please read from Page 13 onward of this very thread. laugh laugh laughGod bless
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Peace all,
To Ayman and Samia, the following verse is very well established105
He is the One who has made the sun a radiance, and the moon a light, and He has measured its phases that you may know the number of the years and the count. God has not created this except with the truth. He clarifies the revelations for a people who know.Is this not enough to end this debate, if you truly believe in God's Quran.
Peace
Salaam belH
No one is denying the "moon" as a marker for time. But do not deny the specificty of the sun in counting the years as per
1712We have made the Night and the Day as two (of Our) Signs the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years all things have We explained in detail
Which should make you re-read verse 105 in the following way to avoid any contradiction
105
He is the One who has made the sun a radiance and the moon a light, and He has measured its phases, that you may know the number of the years and the count. God has not created this except with the truth. He clarifies the revelations for a people who know. -
Peace Farida, all
As for the blind, they can witness ramadan as any blind will do, through the other senses
Allah has given them (they can ask the question, they can feel the heat, they can read the news in braille... etc)
So if they wish to fast they can, and they can witness it too, though not visually as most of us do not by the way as we
rely on others or other means anyways...
Storm in a tea cup I say... lol
rotfl
PeaceSalaam again brother
You can see on 16 where I argued
One can witness a month simply by being present in that month, as the skin is in touch with the atoms/molecules , water vapor mixture of gases, temperature etc., present at such a time. In this world one?s finger prints and DNA can also testify against a person, but just imagine a blind one saying to God, on the Day of Judgement, ?I did not witness the month of Ramadan?. His skin will then speak out against him
I said in my post above Those who believe in literally witnessing the moon can do so if they wish and those who are unable to see are present in that month which is equal to witnessing as per verses 4120, 21, 22, it is confirmed that the skin is capable of witnessing and will testify(DNA prints verify that)
But NOOOO as you can see Samia above repliedSalaam farida
As for the witnessing of skins, this is mentiond in context of the Day of Judgeent, so it concerns God, not humans. I do not need to say that God describbes Himself as "Shaheed". You cannot say that you "tashhad" a skin, to mean that you can know its DNA! Even with a microscope nope
Are you really convinced by this poor argument?Now what can I say to the illogicality of their logic brickwall
Good night and God bless
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Peace Farida,
So guest was right in his Reply #968 on page 65;
The order of the months was established firmly by the Prophet during his stay with was (previous generation) which we still follow. You are making a false accusation that Umar changed the order of the months without any valid evidence. Umar is the one who fought with the Prophet and not you. My innermost thoughts tell me that he didn?t abandon the Islam religion like you suggest using the example ?he changed the order of months?. Judging your logic from the contents of your posts, I would most certainly conclude it is you who we should be careful about. Suggesting such a drastic change during the time in question would be equivalent to asking for extreme punishment. Even a sane disbeliever wouldn?t dare do thatThis only proves that Guest and you suffer from hero-worship fetish. The same exact thing can be said about Christianity and its hero Paul
Jesus as the son of god was established firmly by the Prophet Jesus during his stay with was (previous generation) which we still follow. You are making a false accusation that Paul invented that Jesus is the son of god without any valid evidence. Paul is the one who was a desciple with the Prophet and not you. My innermost thoughts tell me that he didn?t abandon Christianity religion like you suggest using the example ?he claimed that Jesus is the son of god?. Judging your logic from the contents of your posts, I would most certainly conclude it is you who we should be careful about. Suggesting such a drastic change during the time in question would be equivalent to asking for extreme punishment. Even a sane disbeliever wouldn?t dare do that
If a much more drastic lie such as the one about Jesus can be invented, then the order of the months in an arbitrary calendar is the simplest thing to invent.Peace,
Ayman
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Salaam belH
No one is denying the "moon" as a marker for time. But do not deny the specificty of the sun in counting the years as per
1712We have made the Night and the Day as two (of Our) Signs the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years all things have We explained in detail
Which should make you re-read verse 105 in the following way to avoid any contradiction
105
He is the One who has made the sun a radiance and the moon a light, and He has measured its phases, that you may know the number of the years and the count. God has not created this except with the truth. He clarifies the revelations for a people who know.peace,
therefore, we should use the Sun Phases, Day Light and Night, and the Moon Phases, the moon cycle, to measure the Year.
Now, the year consists of DAYS and 12 Months.
Is it logic to say that the Day would be measured by the Sun Phases, Day light and Night, and the Month phases to measure the month boundaries?
If you think we should use the Sun Phases to measure the Month and the Moon to measure the Day, please explain of how this could happend? -
Salaam Samia
Enough of dirty tactics!!! What you are doing above is taking this thread in circles to confuse everyone. Please do not babble like your friend we need solid evidence not your tarnished interpretation.However I asked you one simple Question in my post above; Reply #1436 on
What YOU have to say about the blind not being obliged to fast ???
peace
Ps Take a deep breath and read again I said fast every year only night of power 33yrs.Pay attention at two differnt situation in 2185You are reverting to foul language ...and to the old bankrupt farida we know, but you seem to have forgotten that you could not then, and cannot now frighten anybody in the hope of shutting them up.You are the one who is frightened.
You really lost your nerves when you protest why I am not answering a question which is on a later post of yours, not the one I was responding to.
My post was answering yours paragraph by paragraph. If you think it was going into circles, look at yourself, not at me.
Night of power? What on earth is that? rotfl
You are the one who is need of a deep breath... and some manners.
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Peace Guest,
Perhaps you forgot to take a good look at the picture of December 2008 full moon I cited. You will find it reddish in color. Enough said.
You sound like you think that the moon rocks actually turn reddish. Why does the moon appear reddish? If you knew then you wouldn't make such silly comment.
No, I am asking you good and intelligent questions. But you are the one who is asking irrelevant and poor questions. You have created a fictitious problem and an imaginary solution. The house you created is worst than that of the spider house.
I am in agreement with the 8th Dhu Al-Hijj. The point I was trying to make with the new moon crescent is the front door vs. the back door. The new moon looks like this ----) which is easily mapped to main entrance (welcome) or front of a house. As opposed to your crescent which looks like this -------- ( showing the back entrance.Let's be clear. So you are in agreement that the 8th of Dhu Al-Hijjah is an arbitrary false time for "hajj" that blatantly violates 2189? So when will you perform your "hajj", please tell us?
Here is the definition of crescent A moon that is between a half moon and a new moon.
http//www.go-astronomy.com/glossary/astronomy-glossary-c.htm
That?s why I said hajj start and end in crescent moon. I am using your translation "crescent" to defeat your theory. Per the definition you don?t get 25 days of hajj. You are totally confused.
Your mapping of full moon to front door is irrelevant because it violates the definition of crescent.The definition of the crescent is clearly given in 3639
3639
And the moon We have measured it in descending stages, until it becomes like an old curved sheath.
Doesn't sound like a half-moon since the half moon is not like an old curved sheath. As I said, the only way the crescent can be used to time the 10 day period of "hajj" is if the starting point was the full-moon and the end point was the crescent.
This off-topic. Please open another thread if you want to discuss hajj.
It is off-topic because you are clueless about the connection between "hajj" and "alash-hur al-haram" and "al-hajj" and 2189 because the arbitrary sectarian calendar has nothing to do with the real "hajj" or 2189.
The God already told us that ?The sun is never to catch up with the moon - the night and the day never deviate - each of them is floating in its own orbit (3640). You are the one who is disobeying Him.
Floating in its own orbit doesn't mean that we should ignore the sun and ignore 1712 which indicates that the year is solar. You are clearly hanging at straws and as I said, whether you like it or not, you follow a solar calendar for all practical purposes. So either stop being a hypocrite or start planting crops and wearing heavy clothes according to the purely lunar calendar.
Peace,
Ayman
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peace,
therefore, we should use the Sun Phases, Day Light and Night, and the Moon Phases, the moon cycle, to measure the Year.
Now, the year consists of DAYS and 12 Months.
Is it logic to say that the Day would be measured by the Sun Phases, Day light and Night, and the Month phases to measure the month boundaries?
If you think we should use the Sun Phases to measure the Month and the Moon to measure the Day, please explain of how this could happend?And what are the sun phases? God did not mention such a thing.
We have to agree that the year is mainly measured by the sun when the sign of the night is obsecured, i.e not apparent. We cannot speak of a full moon being (obsecured) and a crescent being apparent.
The only way to keep the moon and the sun for the measure of years is to use the "apparent" scorching moon to start the year (since this is the only moon mentioned as a marker) and the cycle of the sun to measure the length of the year. -
The only way to keep the moon and the sun for the measure of years is
Please give us a clear answer to this (please choose from Sun Phases or Moon, as you are instructed by Quran)
How would we measure the Day?
How Would we Measure the Month?
How would we measure the Year? -
Peace Nabil,
we are off-topic, but i will not readily jump to conclusion regarding the close companions of Mohammed having met him if I were you.
Unless you have hard factual evidence, that is, and by the way 20 years is not such a long period.The burden of proof is on those who claim that those people met the prophet (a positive). I don't have to prove a negative (see the logical fallacy of negative proof). The topic is about timing and some on this thread have claimed that the sectarian arbitrary calendar was established by the prophet. We can empirically verify that corruption took place since the traditional Umar calendar is completely baseless and has nothing to do with the great reading. If indeed Umar established this corrupt calendar full of lies then he couldn't be one of the followers of the messenger (who would have followed the message).
So it is acceptable that the reporters like Bukhari & co are as easy to rule out as John, Mark, Luke and Paul in the case of Jesus, but
I will be careful with regards to Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali and Zeyd.Actually, we should be LESS careful with those guys. At least we have the writings of Bukhari and thus we know that at least he existed. For all we know, most of those guys didn't even exist.
Two people that we know existed are Umar and Ali. The writings we have about Umar come from the Romans (describing the invasion of Jerusalem during his time) and the Jews (greatly praising him for being a champion of Zionism). Ali is mentioned in one source that talks about the Arab civil wars but he is called Abu Turab (not Abu Talib) and he is described as the Prince of Hira (present day Southwest Iraq). So even the little we know about those figures contradicts traditions about them.
Interestingly, the Roman sources also say that the kingdom of the Arabs started invading their teritories in 620-621CE when Heraclius, king of the Romans, was in his eleventh year. According to traditions, at that time the prophet hasn't even emigrated yet! so the traditional dating is definitely problematic and putting all the evidence that we have together we can be pretty certain that the traditional calendar is not based on the actual year of the "hijra" but on a later date. Since this is a discussion about the timing and the validity of the traditional calendar, then all this is certainly relevant. For further reading, I would suggest that you get the book "Seeing Islam as Others Saw it" by Hoyland.
It always amazes me that people believe that everyone who held any political position during those days is a cousin of the prophet or is related by marriage. I bet that its all just political propaganda and lies much like the kings of Jordan and Morocco and anyone who pays $300 to get a certified family tree that he is one of the so-called Ashraf.
As for Abraha's stone, one single piece of evidence is not enough in my view.
This is not a single piece of evidence. This inscription correlates with other inscriptions that he left in southern Arabia. For example, there is another inscription on a dam that he built and the dates correlate with this inscription.
Sometimes, we get blessed with "accidental" discoveries such as the Qumran caves where a lot of artifacts and scrolls were found, but alas hijacked by the Israelis (which is very strange as a good deal of those caves where on the Jordan side of the Dead Sea), and so a lot of the discoveries (most probably the most controversial ones, as they include writings of the Pentateuch at least 1000 years older than the oldest records we have) are now off limits.
So until either there is archaeological and forensic historical works being systematically done on these matters, we are currently condemned to rely on crumbs we may find that transpire as side lines from research done on subjects of older studies not always very pertinent to our interest.Actually, there are thousands of pre-Islamic inscriptions all over Arabia. So the problem is not lack of inscriptions or that we only have crumbs. The problem is that none of the inscriptions confirms the traditional accounts and in fact many inscriptions outright contradict it (as in the case of Abraha's inscription).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace BelH,
Although the answer was not adressed at me, but let me please answerPlease give us a clear answer to this (please choose from Sun Phases or Moon, as you are instructed by Quran)
How would we measure the Day?
How Would we Measure the Month?
How would we measure the Year?How would we measure the Day? The Day is the time frame between the sunrise and the sunset.
How Would we Measure the Month? The month is the time frame between 2 (obvious) markers ie the full moon.
How would we measure the Year? the year is solar, because the best way that we have to calculate it is to count the time frame between 2 (obvious) markers i.e the summer solstices . Therefor it follows the seasons and is used by everyone on this earth for daily life purposes.The sun (solstice) is THE obvious marker for counting the years and the moon ( full moon ) is THE obvious marker for counting the months.
BUT..... , 936 talks about counting twelve full-moons, ( not months) , in GOD'S RECORD (Different from 12.3 that you actually count). so we should count EXACTLY twelve full moons (not months ) to fullfil this commandement and to keep in sync with the solar year (seasons) . Eventually we'll have to skip the occasional 13 th full moon (again not month) to acknowledge the God's will, and to keep in sync with that (natural) solar year , and hence the result is
1 - Ramadan will always occur at the same "hot" time of the year, and will not drift away and all around.
2- The restricted full moons ( i think you got it now that it cannot be months) will always be consecutive and will always sync with the mating season of the wild life.
3- Hajj will always be in the same period of the year (ie. the harvest, in order to witness the benefits of Allah and remember and thank Him) and will always be between early summer and early fall, (yes , GOd Allowed us to do the hajj whenever one wants within the 4 restricted full-moons (you know what bravo) . Moreover i think that's why fighting is not allowed in this periode (harvest) to let people gather their food. and it will be unfair to attack people while they are harvesting.@farida,
i totally agree with you about witnessing the full moon /month ) is not by physical sight, but by being present at that time. Thus the blind should fast if someone tell him that the obvious "marker" (full moon, not month nor crescent, still following me ?) has come . I can't remember if Ayman really said the opposite. can you please quote him . had he said this, i won't agree with him. -
It always amazes me that people believe that everyone who held any political position during those days is a cousin of the prophet or is related by marriage. I bet that its all just political propaganda and lies much like the kings of Jordan and Morocco and anyone who pays $300 to get a certified family tree that he is one of the so-called Ashraf.
Ayman
So true !!! until nowadays, the "ashrafs" demand to be treated differently as they think themselves superior. They even pay for it !!!!!
It's so true in Morocco where i live . Thanks !
Salam
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Peace Quickduck,
2- The restricted full moons ( i think you got it now that it cannot be months) will always be consecutive and will always sync with the mating season of the wild life.
It is actually not about the mating season. It is about the time when humans are the biggest threat to wildlife and at the same time humans who rely on hunting can survive on other sources (livestock and harvest of cultivated and naturally occuring plants). The time when humans are the biggest threat is the season right after animals give birth. A newborn animal is inexperienced and is a much easier catch for hunters. Young animals can't regulate their body temperature very well and are thus much more likely to suffer heat exhaustion in the heat of the summer when chased by hunters. 593 makes it clear that the animals that are hunted during the time of the restriction may be EASY to catch even by HAND. Also, killing the wild animals' mother will likely result in the death of all her newborns. The time when human hunters are the biggest threat to most animals is early summer - early fall. This is why not just today but even ancient civilizations resumed hunting in the fall (with the Hunter Full-Moon).
3- Hajj will always be in the same period of the year (ie. the harvest, in order to witness the benefits of Allah and remember and thank Him) and will always be between early summer and early fall, (yes , GOd Allowed us to do the hajj whenever one wants within the 4 restricted full-moons (you know what bravo).
With this proper understanding of the timing everything falls into place. Now we can see why 80% of the passages that talk about "hajj" are talking about food. The "hajj" is essentially a "harvest feast" and this is how the people of the book understood it. In Hebrew "hagg" = feast. This is why we can invite ALL people with the feast while no one will come to a religious pilgrimage except people from a certain religion.
Moreover i think that's why fighting is not allowed in this periode (harvest) to let people gather their food. and it will be unfair to attack people while they are harvesting.
Fighting is NEVER allowed except in self-defense. It is unfair to attack people at any time. So fighting has nothing to do with the restriction period as per 2217.
@farida,
i totally agree with you about witnessing the full moon /month ) is not by physical sight, but by being present at that time. Thus the blind should fast if someone tell him that the obvious "marker" (full moon, not month nor crescent, still following me ?) has come . I can't remember if Ayman really said the opposite. can you please quote him . had he said this, i won't agree with him.I think that Farida never reviewed a legal contract in her life. If she did then she would have understood the difference between "not obligated to do something" and "cannot do something". According to 2185 those who witnessed the full-moon should fast. This doesn't mean that those who didn't witness it can't fast. They could fast but they are not oligated to. Even Farida is not obligated to fast if she didn't witness the scorching full-moon but she can fast anyway.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace ayman,
You are right about the difference between "not obligated to do" and "cannot do". But i still believe that "witness" in this verse is not by sight.
In arabic , there are two verbes that have the same root, Shin-Ha-dal shahida and shaahada ! and
Only the form (shaahada) means witnessing by sight, while (shahida) doesn't require sightin. eg
3-18 ...Peace
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Peace ayman,
You are right about the difference between "not obligated to do" and "cannot do". But i still believe that "witness" in this verse is not by sight.
In arabic , there are two verbes that have the same root, Shin-Ha-dal shahida and shaahada ! and
Only the form (shaahada) means witnessing by sight, while (shahida) doesn't require sightin. eg
3-18 ...Peace
same is my opinion,
Moreover , I think this shahida business is basically conveying,
"When the full moon of scorching heat visits your area , you should fast" This precludes the possibility of a globally coordinated fast by submitters.
He very clearly says , "That it is for your benefit , if only you knew". So there is a fair possibility that along with other benefits it does some thing good to a human body. There is a fair chance that a certain minimum duration may be a prerequisite, which could only be achieved during longest days (14-16 hours)
A supporting reason could be the "extreme starting and ending markers for the fast" ( first light to last light) extending the duration to Maximum possible ,whereas he could have given us more prominent markers (sun rise , sun set) for this purpose, But He did NOT.(BTW, I do not agree with ayman for ending fast at sun set. after a detailed study i am fully convinced that it is layal, not sun set, and the layal does not begin at sun set)
Now , when we understand the reason/spirit behind this divine instruction, and we can predict the shahar with precision for every region, so in my opinion there is no need to see the shahar.
siki
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Peace Bro Ayman, Sis Samia, All,
I will put my stall and finally state my stand.
You have firmly convinced me about when the fast as referred in the Quran is to be fasted,
i.e. the marker being ramadan, first full moon after the summer equinox, until its disappearance.
My mother Allah bless her soul, used to tell me that Layaltul Qadr was a very short night in the year,
this was from oral tradition from bedouin tribes in the sahara desert, and so even though this does
not constitute a proof, for me it nevertheless constitutes a sign that it has to be in summer.
Jazakumallah khairan for this piece of valuable ijtihad, and I am so convinced that I will start
enjoining those who ask to fast this way.Ayman, I did not pay for my genealogical trees, my ancestors are well known tribes who roam the sahara deserts,
and who originate from the arabian peninsula, among their bloodlines are Sidi Mhamed Mussa, Sidi Ahmed Rguibi
(who gave rise to the famous Rguibettes or Rguibi tribe) and of course further up prior to that Mulay Idriss I founder of present day Morocco who played a prominent role in the islamisation of Spain. The last tribe before they got urbanised was the tribe of my grand father on my father side who was called Oulad Sidi Salah. - My grand father was chief of his tribe and grand chief of all the adjoining tribes in the region (Qaid) (There is a name but I do not wish to divulge publically as it is my family name).
A few of the people of the oldest tribes (up to Sidi Mhamed Moussa) who contributed works of charity and were notables such as
looked after certain matters of importance for the muslims when they died had their tombs enshrined and they now are called Zaouias (very much encouraged by Governments, and you know why).
A lot of these "Saints" were actually called "Murabiteens" because they were looked upon as guardian of the faith and the Quran.
I happen to have a relic which I would like restored, of the Quran written by hand which is pretty old that is a treasure from my family chest.
*** Sorry for the off-topic - ***
Peace
Nabster )PS talking about presumed dates - my father is presumed born in 1905 (we do not have an exact day because it was within a tribe), but in fact we reckon (he is dead now), that he was probably born ten years before i.e. 1895.
So this is just over 100 years ago, so how about events that happened 100's of years ago, or in the case of Mohammed over 1400 years ago.
This is why I said earlier, without scientific forensic investigations (and even in that case no guarantee) with tangible artifacts, original relics and archaeological findings, we will never know anything for sure !!!
The tendency of humans to get lost in the details is beautifully highlighted in the Quran in the account of the Cave, people trying to guess how long they slept, deciding to build a shrine over them... etc, and so instead of reflecting on the message which is lost in translation, they stick to the details which distract them from the message.
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Night of power? What on earth is that? rotfl
The signs by which Laylat al-Qadr is known
The first sign it was reported in Saheeh Muslim from the hadeeth of Ubayy ibn Ka?b (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) announced that one of its signs was that when the sun rose on the following morning, it had no (visible) rays. (Muslim, 762).
The second sign it was reported from the hadeeth of Ibn ?Abbaas narrated by Ibn Khuzaimah, and by al-Tayaalisi in his Musnad, with a saheeh isnaad, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said ?Laylat al-Qadr is a pleasant night, neither hot nor cold, and the following day the sun rises red and weak.?(Saheeh Ibn Khuzaymah, 2912; Musnad al-Tayaalisi).
The third sign it was reported by al-Tabaraani with a hasan isnaad from the hadeeth of Waathilah ibn al-Asqa? (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said ?Laylat al-Qadr is a bright night, neither hot nor cold, in which no meteors are seen.? Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer. See Majma? al-Zawaa?id, 3/179; Musnad Ahmad
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peace,
therefore, we should use the Sun Phases, Day Light and Night, and the Moon Phases, the moon cycle, to measure the Year.
Now, the year consists of DAYS and 12 Months.
Is it logic to say that the Day would be measured by the Sun Phases, Day light and Night, and the Month phases to measure the month boundaries?
If you think we should use the Sun Phases to measure the Month and the Moon to measure the Day, please explain of how this could happend?bravo
Ayman still has to bring proof for his claims.
He doesnt and he can't, since there are no accounts (to mine and his knowledge) that monotheists used to fast after having witnessed a so-called 'full moon of scorcing heat'.
From submission.org
"And it came to pass in the fifth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, in the ninth month, that they proclaimed a fast before the Lord to all the people in Jerusalem, and to all the people that came from the cities of Judah unto Jerusalem." This is not a special fast proclaimed by a religious ruler, because this particular king was wicked. Nevertheless, he did follow the formality of what was practiced the month of fasting. The time given for this fasting is stated to be the ninth month.
The season of the fast in this particular year, thought by many scholars to be 604 B.C., is stated to be in the winter. Jeremiah 3622, "Now the king sat in the winter house in the ninth month and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him." Now the present Jewish calendar adds a thirteenth month from time to time to match the solar year, so that the ninth month of the civil year (used in the dates of kings' reigns) falls in May or June, summer in Palestine. If we project the lunar calendar presently used in the Middle East back in history, we find that the ninth month falls in November of the year 604 B.C. It appears that during Bible times a purely lunar calendar was used, and the ninth month was a month of fasting.
936 The count of the months with God is twelve months in God's record, the day He created the heavens and the earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them. Fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. Know that God is with the righteous.
937 Know that accelerating the intercalary is an addition in rejection; that those who have rejected may misguide with it...
Edip-Layth - End Note 6 (936)
Verse 936 relates the number of months to the day of the creation of the earth. Perhaps in early days of the creation, the rotation of the Moon and Earth were synchronized and there were exactly 12 lunar months in a solar year. The increase in the length of the year or the decelerating earth is causing problems for modern technology which is very sensitive to small changes in the measurement of time, such as computers, electric grids, GPS systems, and missiles. In mid 20th century, scientists learned that the rotation of Earth was not sufficiently uniform as a standard of time. Besides solar gravity, there are many factors influencing the rotation of the earth. For instance, though in minor way, the Moon's gravity through tides causes deceleration, and melting of ice in the North Pole causes little acceleration. To compensate this net deceleration, almost every year we are adding one second to our atomic clocks, which defines and measures a second as 9,192,631,770 electromagnetic radiation or oscillation of Cesium 133. Since 1972 we added 23 leap seconds until 2006. However, the rate of the deceleration does not show a pattern. In recent years, the earth's rotation has been on schedule. See. 9122 -
Peace Rami,
Peace progressive,
The ninth month you just quoted is most probably the ninth month after the Abib. You don't have a reference to count form.
Maybe Ramadan is that month?
Peace,
Rami
I dont think you read carefully...
"Now the present Jewish calendar adds a thirteenth month from time to time to match the solar year, so that the ninth month of the civil year (used in the dates of kings' reigns) falls in May or June, summer in Palestine. If we project the lunar calendar presently used in the Middle East back in history, we find that the ninth month falls in November of the year 604 B.C. It appears that during Bible times a purely lunar calendar was used, and the ninth month was a month of fasting."