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    Rami
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    the fate of past Nations

    Interesting. Not even a single fate has been discovered till now.

    Though the Quran says that the town of Lot is apparent to the prophet and his followers from its remains.

    Funny how the Sunni fellas don't even recognize this and are not interested! What a bunch of losers!

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      Interesting. Not even a single fate has been discovered till now.

      Though the Quran says that the town of Lot is apparent to the prophet and his followers from its remains.

      Funny how the Sunni fellas don't even recognize this and are not interested! What a bunch of losers!

      Hey Rami you are jumping the queue; step one is to discredit the companions of the prophet, then Mohammad and finally the Qur'an.
      police

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        o dear, paranoia, no good...
        Peace
        if one says that Mohamed did not have companions who helped him, they are clearly wrong, as the Quran refers to them, and the only one mentioned by name is Zaid ibn Thabet.
        I personally believe that the closest companions i.e. Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, and Hamza's stories are real, and that there is, like the Prophet's time line a time shift in their genealogy of 20 years or more forward (i.e. their real dates of birth are more than 20 years earlier).
        We need good forensic evidence to prove this, but of course in the state of affairs we are in, the Saudis will never allow it, as they are planning to destroy evidence, if they haven't already done so...
        To go back to the topic of this thread, the Quran can and must be the criterion because Allah says so, so it has nothing to do with anything else.
        Mohamed is but a human, and he did die, he could have died in one of the battles with the believers, and the Message would still have held (look for the ayat).
        Trying to immortalise him with his hadiths and his way of life is like deifying him, it is a grave sin.
        As Allah said do not distinguish between any of the Prophets, why him, why not Yssah or Moussah or Daoud, Yussef, we do have hadiths about them in the Bible...
        Ayman has got a big ego too, but he has got it right about ramadan...
        (I disagree with him on hajj as for me it is to be held in the 1st temple (of the rock) in Jerusalem, I disagree with him on jinns as they are beings and not fantasies as he claims, and Angels are beings too) but I agree with the fact that Mecca is a pagan place of abomination and that the rituals are pagan...

        Peace

        Nabster

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          farida
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          Peace
          Ego trips aside,
          consider this
          Reply #1510 on September 06, 2009, 012355 AM pg 101
          ......But he does take risks, and is not paid for what he does. With many of us acting out of fear of the unknown just to defend our status quo, ..... If your grave accusations are correct, you will still need to provide proof, i.e. e.g. that he is on the pay roll of some
          dark agencies.

          Salaam brother Nabil & everyone

          I cannot provide a proof that Dr Ayman is working for money on this forum as I would need to access his account details and obviously I can?t do that. However, using Ayman?s favourate term, I can ?empirically verify? that someone is financially compensating Dr Ayman for devoting all his working time, writing in this forum.

          From my last years experience on this topic I learned that prolific posting on this forum was as time consuming as a full time job. This year I planned it in such a way that I had my time off work incorporated into the month of Ramadan when I took on this ?jihad?.

          Since I came back on this forum from August 16, 2009, and till today, despite not doing my regular work, I still have neglected my family who are quite irritated to see me absorbed in confronting the A-team. Ayman, as compared to me, has been far more prolific than I and has written many more replies to all and sundry, and on more than one topic.

          Given the need to support his family, which we know he has, and his high flying lifestyle, beside his full time dedication to this forum, conducting a veritable Guerilla Blog-fare, where can he possibly find the time to go out and earn a living? Unless he is from among the Jinn it simply is not feasible (A lecture here or there will not provide a living).

          The repeated reminder from Team Ayman of looming bankruptcy reflects their own fear of what must come if they lose out; I think that Farida's "dark agency" accusations are probably the funniest and most bankrupt argument (= bankrupting Ayman) September 06, 2009, 083300 PM
          He has consistently been jumping from one subject to another, like a squirrel in heat, and when defeated he bawls If you are truthful then prove from your investigation of the great reading that Ramadan is the 9th month of a lunar calendar.And so it goes on and on, in circles, like the ripples in a lake where the fish are jumping.

          He challenged us several time about the uses of the crescent moons, as per 2189, to time the "hajj". I guarantee that you will NEVER be able to answer. Which is off list since I shamed him with my answer. He is in denial of anything that refers to AH (after Hijri)...
          Then (out of frustration) he stoops to name calling; eg The Sunnis is as lost as you. Reply #1224 on August 27, 2009,

          And seeing he has lost his argument he turns to projection, claiming we (rather than he) are panicking Peace Farida and everyone who is having a panic attack as a result of the indisputable fact Reply #1261 on August 30, 2009,... Why in the world would we panic?! Who is paying us? The Saudi perhaps for cursing Abu Huraira ?!

          Now please make a note of what NunHolidayPseudoEidRex said I have to focus on work, like you have to fly around and this stuff is taking too much time going in circles. Last Edit September 06, 2009, 102536 AM by NunHolidayPseudoEidRex ?

          Have you ever heard Ayman expressing frustration at losing out on work with all the time devoted to this forum. Please give me just one such example- anyone?
          In between Got to go catch a plane will reply to others later. on September 04, 2009, 013204 AM
          He is back on the forum within hours or as he landed on September 04, 2009, 111809 PM

          Now would all this clear circumstantial evidence change your view of Ayman?
          I think not,; I see this trend in all his followers who, despite all the convincing arguments shut their eyes, including out casting the blind. Not big ego but Ayman has got a lucrative job, and he is absolutely wrong about ramadan...This is brainwash.
          We have quite a few like Ayman; an MQM leader A. Hussein is one example, not much different from Al Zawahri or Osama. He was banned from Pakistan yet he is controlling the population of Karachi from the UK via internet. bravo

          I do feel that you are sincere in your search for the truth and I pray to God to lead us to the right path of those He favoured not the path of those who went astray.
          peace

          Ps I remember you saying this I am in his blood line (a direct descendant) on both my father and mother side, via Hassan, and Ali + Fatima. For me, it is a genealogy family tree matter
          You must be pleased to know that now your family lineage goes back to the Prince of Hira and not poor Ali bravo

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            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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            Peace Brother
            Where is provision of Ijtihaad in the Quran ?
            Regards

            4724 Do they not reflect on the Quran? Or are there locks on their minds?

            4725 Surely, those who reverted back, after the guidance has been made clear to them, the devil has enticed them and led them on.

            5417 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
            5422 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
            5432 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
            5440 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?

            Which fatwa will you follow - God's or shafii's? hmm

            Ayman, as we have told you before, Madoodat Means Counted...It Does Not Mean 3-10 nor 30 nor 100...it does not mean few, as well...Simply, COUNTED.

            Makes sense, but what does 'few' mean then?

            I will get my undestand/not understand list up in a few days (ayyaman madoodatin (?)), illa an yasha Allah.

            Peace

            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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              4724 Do they not reflect on the Quran? Or are there locks on their minds?

              4725 Surely, those who reverted back, after the guidance has been made clear to them, the devil has enticed them and led them on.

              5417 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
              5422 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
              5432 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
              5440 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?

              Which fatwa will you follow - God's or shafii's? hmm

              Makes sense, but what does 'few' mean then?

              I will get my undestand/not understand list up in a few days (ayyaman madoodatin (?)), illa an yasha Allah.

              Peace

              Peace
              Would you please define ijtihaad ? So that we should know what are we talking about ?
              Regards

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                Rami
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                OK. To those who accept the traditional Ramadan, what is your position regarding other controversial issues like the restricted months, the hajj, the Salat etc??

                Do you accept the traditional formulas too??

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                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                  OK. To those who accept the traditional Ramadan, what is your position regarding other controversial issues like the restricted months, the hajj, the Salat etc??

                  Do you accept the traditional formulas too??

                  Hajj is to be done in the 4 restricted months, which are consecutive (12th-3rd month). Let's not go off topic with salat - I will tell you one thing though the traditional salat is idolatry.

                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                    Hajj is to be done in the 4 restricted months, which are consecutive (12th-3rd month). Let's not go off topic with salat - I will tell you one thing though the traditional salat is idolatry.

                    The guys who told you Ramadan is the ninth months don't agree with your consecutive months theory. The Hajj are months well known.

                    And the traditional Salat is NOT idolatry. Most of the Tashahud is prayer to God for Mohammed. Nowhere in the Salat do you CALL on Mohammed.

                    So you are going on a maverick course my friend.

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                      OK. To those who accept the traditional Ramadan, what is your position regarding other controversial issues like the restricted months, the hajj, the Salat etc??

                      Do you accept the traditional formulas too??

                      Peace
                      As far as Salaat ,Hajj ,Zakaat or Ramadahn is concerne there is no controversial issue among the muslim community.Those who differ from them they should clear their position.
                      Regards

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                        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                        The guys who told you Ramadan is the ninth months don't agree with your consecutive months theory. The Hajj are months well known.

                        And the traditional Salat is NOT idolatry. Most of the Tashahud is prayer to God for Mohammed. Nowhere in the Salat do you CALL on Mohammed.

                        So you are going on a maverick course my friend.

                        Direct quote from muslim-canada.org/salaat.html

                        "All greetings, blessings and good acts are from You, my Lord.
                        Greetings to you, O Prophet, and the mercy and blessings of Allah.
                        Peace be unto us, and unto the righteous servants of Allah.
                        I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah.
                        And I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger."

                        At the end of their salat they say the following (even when praying alone)

                        "Peace and blessings of God be upon you."

                        To whom are they adressing this?

                        7218 The temples are for God, so do not call on anyone alongside God.
                        Are you trying to tell me that the Sunnis are not setting up partners to God with their salat?

                        As for Ramadan in the 9th month vs. the 4 consecutive restricted months...

                        Who is 'they'? Sunnis? Rashad Khalifa? Submitters?
                        Be clear..

                        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                          http//www.christianunitarian.org/f8d884aa56226d91ee8a4aca13835514.gif

                          Thanks i tried to do that but fail

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                            Rami
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                            Direct quote from muslim-canada.org/salaat.html

                            "All greetings, blessings and good acts are from You, my Lord.
                            Greetings to you, O Prophet, and the mercy and blessings of Allah.
                            Peace be unto us, and unto the righteous servants of Allah.
                            I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah.
                            And I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger."

                            At the end of their salat they say the following (even when praying alone)

                            "Peace and blessings of God be upon you."

                            To whom are they adressing this?

                            7218 The temples are for God, so do not call on anyone alongside God.
                            Are you trying to tell me that the Sunnis are not setting up partners to God with their salat?

                            As for Ramadan in the 9th month vs. the 4 consecutive restricted months...

                            Who is 'they'? Sunnis? Rashad Khalifa? Submitters?
                            Be clear..

                            Sunni Islam.

                            Regarding the tashahud, you DIDN'T pray to Mohammed for anything. I know its a fabrication but its not idolatry. It is just plain ignorance.

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                              Thanks i tried to do that but fail

                              It is on my church website

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                                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                Sunni Islam.

                                Then your question doesnt make sense, since the Sunnis have random restricted months which are not consecutive - totally against what the Quran says.

                                Regarding the tashahud, you DIDN'T pray to Mohammed for anything. I know its a fabrication but its not idolatry. It is just plain ignorance.

                                'you'? THEY are CALLING on the Prophet and mentioning ALONGSIDE GOD. You think that that's not shirk (setting up partners)?

                                Anyways...what does salat have to do with Ramadan and fasting?

                                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                  Rami
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                                  Then your question doesnt make sense, since the Sunnis have random restricted months which are not consecutive - totally against what the Quran says.

                                  'you'? THEY are CALLING on the Prophet and mentioning ALONGSIDE GOD. You think that that's not shirk (setting up partners)?

                                  Anyways...what does salat have to do with Ramadan and fasting?

                                  Nothing. I wanted to make a point.

                                  Let the match continue between the Scorching Moon Cronie Intercalators and the Traditional Islam Arbitrary Counters.

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                                    It is on my church website

                                    I have this in my pc but i can not load it here in the forum, in my avatar you can see it is in still position. (

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                                      Direct quote from muslim-canada.org/salaat.html

                                      "All greetings, blessings and good acts are from You, my Lord.
                                      Greetings to you, O Prophet, and the mercy and blessings of Allah.
                                      Peace be unto us, and unto the righteous servants of Allah.
                                      I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah.
                                      And I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger."

                                      At the end of their salat they say the following (even when praying alone)

                                      "Peace and blessings of God be upon you."

                                      To whom are they adressing this?

                                      7218 The temples are for God, so do not call on anyone alongside God.
                                      Are you trying to tell me that the Sunnis are not setting up partners to God with their salat?

                                      3356 that God and His angels enjoin sal?t (blessings, mercy) on the prophet O you who believe call for God?s sal?t (blessings) on him (the prophet) and great greetings.

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                                        Samia
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                                        Salaam afridi and Rev John

                                        Can you please try not to derail this thread with off-topics?
                                        Thanks for your cooperation.

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                                          noble
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                                          Peace Sis farida,
                                          I made my position clear.
                                          I gather my knowledge from whence Allah guides me.
                                          Slandering a Muslim without proof brings a punishment equal to the punishment you accuse him/her of.
                                          What you are talking about is circumstantial.

                                          As for the one who asked me about ijtihad, take a good arabic dictionary and it will tell you, and do not give me the quick one that
                                          it does not work because there is no such a word in the Quran, by the way I explained to you ijtihad with all the examples I gave you, you can figure it out...
                                          I am not into spoon feeding...

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